Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:18 AM
Omaha Steve (95,801 posts)
China defends buzzing American warship in Taiwan Strait, accuses US of provoking Beijing
Source: AP
By DAVID RISING today SINGAPORE (AP) — China’s defense minister defended sailing a warship across the path of an American destroyer and Canadian frigate transiting the Taiwan Strait, telling a gathering of some of the world’s top defense officials in Singapore on Sunday that such so-called “freedom of navigation” patrols are a provocation to China. In his first international public address since becoming defense minister in March, Gen. Li Shangfu told the Shangri-La Dialogue that China doesn’t have any problems with “innocent passage” but that “we must prevent attempts that try to use those freedom of navigation (patrols), that innocent passage, to exercise hegemony of navigation.” U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told the same forum Saturday that Washington would not “flinch in the face of bullying or coercion” from China and would continue regularly sailing through and flying over the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea to emphasize they are international waters, countering Beijing’s sweeping territorial claims. That same day, as a U.S. guided-missile destroyer and a Canadian frigate were intercepted by a Chinese warship as they transited the strait between the self-governed island of Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory, and mainland China. The Chinese vessel overtook the American ship and then veered across its bow at a distance of 150 yards (about 140 meters) in an “unsafe manner,” according to the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command. ![]() Read more: https://apnews.com/article/china-us-defense-asia-warship-taiwan-7d0829159a9919601f70cf822d4ec23e
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Omaha Steve | Jun 2023 | OP |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #1 | |
Alexander Of Assyria | Jun 2023 | #2 | |
stopdiggin | Jun 2023 | #14 | |
edhopper | Jun 2023 | #21 | |
Alexander Of Assyria | Jun 2023 | #32 | |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #33 | |
edhopper | Jun 2023 | #36 | |
MarineCombatEngineer | Jun 2023 | #34 | |
edhopper | Jun 2023 | #37 | |
MarineCombatEngineer | Jun 2023 | #24 | |
dalton99a | Jun 2023 | #3 | |
Alexander Of Assyria | Jun 2023 | #4 | |
David__77 | Jun 2023 | #5 | |
Alexander Of Assyria | Jun 2023 | #8 | |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #11 | |
David__77 | Jun 2023 | #19 | |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #20 | |
David__77 | Jun 2023 | #22 | |
MarineCombatEngineer | Jun 2023 | #26 | |
David__77 | Jun 2023 | #27 | |
MarineCombatEngineer | Jun 2023 | #28 | |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #29 | |
MarineCombatEngineer | Jun 2023 | #30 | |
MarineCombatEngineer | Jun 2023 | #35 | |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #31 | |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #10 | |
stopdiggin | Jun 2023 | #16 | |
617Blue | Jun 2023 | #6 | |
McKim | Jun 2023 | #7 | |
Alexander Of Assyria | Jun 2023 | #9 | |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #15 | |
Voltaire2 | Jun 2023 | #17 | |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #18 | |
EX500rider | Jun 2023 | #13 | |
MarineCombatEngineer | Jun 2023 | #25 | |
Irish_Dem | Jun 2023 | #12 | |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin | Jun 2023 | #23 | |
Sparky 1 | Jun 2023 | #38 | |
dalton99a | Jun 2023 | #39 |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:21 AM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
1. "Exercise hegemony of navigation."
🤣
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:24 AM
Alexander Of Assyria (7,578 posts)
2. AP reliably spinning anything into provocations, ignoring all the contrary signals...it's their job!
China isn’t rising, it’s already arisen, and it’s only a problem to former colonialist nations.
India and China are merely being restored to their historical pinnacles atop the civilized world…inevitable as they have an abundance of the planets greatest resource by far…people…highly educated…People! Don’t, American media and Pentgon…make it all yet another problem to justify the beating of military war drums and boosting budgets…so don’t let the tail wag the dog…again! Yes, understood, all stakeholders in any nation try to stand their ground, and budgets. Civilian taxpayers that fund all the stakeholders..are in control of that though…aren’t they? Hard to tell as the Pentgon budget is barely mentioned, let alone debated!! Cant let a war department budget debate breakout! |
Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #2)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:51 AM
stopdiggin (9,655 posts)
14. so .. then you endorse China's expansive
territorial (and maritime) claims?
(that of essential sovereignty over the South China Sea?) just looking for an accurate take here. |
Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #2)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 11:45 AM
edhopper (31,891 posts)
21. So you think the nation of Taiwan
and all the seas around it belong to China? The people of Taiwan have no say in this?
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Response to edhopper (Reply #21)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 04:54 PM
Alexander Of Assyria (7,578 posts)
32. For 1000 Yuan, what is a strawman Alex!?
Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #32)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 05:09 PM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
33. What strawman?
This happened in the Taiwan Straits, does that belong to Communist China somehow?
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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #32)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 07:02 PM
MarineCombatEngineer (10,934 posts)
34. Can you please explain what strawman?
I know you're all in for China, but accusing another long time DU'er of strawmanning should require an explanation of the actual accusation.
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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #34)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:16 PM
edhopper (31,891 posts)
37. Thanks
Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #2)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 01:47 PM
MarineCombatEngineer (10,934 posts)
24. LOfuckingL.
![]() China good, USA bad. Yeah, we get it, you are all in for China. ![]() |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:25 AM
dalton99a (78,062 posts)
3. Fuck China.
Belligerent land-grabbing thieves |
Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:31 AM
Alexander Of Assyria (7,578 posts)
4. What land have they grabbed lately, compared to colonialists of the West?
The Pacific is dotted with American land grabbing!
Europe took most of the rest of the land far far away from their shores… |
Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #4)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:36 AM
David__77 (21,536 posts)
5. Indeed, it's hilarious.
Iraq, Panama, Syria, Grenada… coups, subversion.
The people of the world aren’t that stupid. |
Response to David__77 (Reply #5)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:03 AM
Alexander Of Assyria (7,578 posts)
8. Western Projection...look away from our land grabs, already done, be concerned about others
possible imaginary grabs! Projection more effective propaganda technique if mixed with dose of hypocrisy.
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Response to David__77 (Reply #5)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:45 AM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
11. Are all those countries still independent unlike Tibet?
Response to EX500rider (Reply #11)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 11:22 AM
David__77 (21,536 posts)
19. Unlike Hawaii.
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Response to David__77 (Reply #19)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 11:24 AM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
20. 130 years ago? How long ago was Tibet? nt
Response to EX500rider (Reply #20)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 12:30 PM
David__77 (21,536 posts)
22. Haha 130 year statute of limitations.
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Response to David__77 (Reply #22)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 01:54 PM
MarineCombatEngineer (10,934 posts)
26. So, no intelligent counter point?
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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #26)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 02:07 PM
David__77 (21,536 posts)
27. So, no intelligent counter point?
Response to David__77 (Reply #27)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 03:10 PM
MarineCombatEngineer (10,934 posts)
28. You tell me,
you're the one refusing to provide an intelligent counter point, not me.
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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #28)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 03:57 PM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
29. Well when you got nothing you have to grab at straws...lol
Response to EX500rider (Reply #29)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 04:08 PM
MarineCombatEngineer (10,934 posts)
30. So true.
Waiting with baited breath for an answer, but not expecting anything intelligent.
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Response to David__77 (Reply #27)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 07:04 PM
MarineCombatEngineer (10,934 posts)
35. Soooo.... no intelligent counterpoint?
Yeah, kinda figured that.
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Response to David__77 (Reply #22)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 04:17 PM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
31. The post we were responding to: "What land have they grabbed lately?"
Well 1950 for Tibet is a lot more lately then the 1800's
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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #4)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:44 AM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
10. Lately? What land has the West taken "lately"?
China?
Conquering Xinjiang, absorbing the then-Second East Turkestan Republic with help from Stalin, before conquering Tibet in 1950 and crushing a later uprising. China and India fought a border war in 1962, where China gained Aksai Chin and stampeded into Arunachal Pradesh (called South Tibet in China), before retreating from the latter over increasing turmoil. Before that, China also sought to take over Taiwan, then under the authority of the rival Republic of China, causing the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis, but was unsuccessful due to American threats in response. China also sought to take over Sikkim in 1967, but it was unsuccessful. A Chinese map published in 1961 showed China claiming territories in Bhutan, Nepal and the Kingdom of Sikkim. In 1974, China launched its first naval expedition to reclaim the Paracel Islands and defeated the 50-strong South Vietnamese occupation force. Tensions triggered between China and later unified communist Vietnam led to the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979. China and Vietnam later fought another bitter skirmish in the South China Sea in 1988, resulting in China's consolidation of some disputed islands. The South China Sea disputes involve both island and maritime claims of China and the claims of several neighboring sovereign states in the region, namely Brunei, the Republic of China (ROC/Taiwan), Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Vietnam. The disputes are over islands, reefs, banks, and other features in the South China Sea, including the Spratly Islands, Paracel Islands, Scarborough Shoal, boundaries in the Gulf of Tonkin and the waters near the Indonesian Natuna Islands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expansionism Yes, just cuddly Panda Bears, aren't they? |
Response to EX500rider (Reply #10)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:57 AM
stopdiggin (9,655 posts)
16. but, but, but .. western imperialism! colonialism!
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:39 AM
617Blue (793 posts)
6. Games Without Frontiers Peter Gabriel
All this silly bullshit. Xi throwing poo like a monkey. The real goal is keeping control of his own people and maintaining authoritarian regime.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 09:50 AM
McKim (2,393 posts)
7. More Hostility and Stupidity!
So we have not been agressive? We are building six new military bases in the South Pacific. Preparing for a war with China is the stupidest idea to be floated in years. Sometimes the Cold War mentality will get us nowhere.
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Response to McKim (Reply #7)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:05 AM
Alexander Of Assyria (7,578 posts)
9. The Cold War mentality is hot baked into the Pentagon. No war, no cash! Understandable.
No Russia as a foil…bring on China! It’s so painfully obvious they should just stop it all and make China more than just a massive trading partner….go all the way and make China peace partner…everyone will benefit…but the war hawks and their media mouthpieces, ofc…we can live with it.
How many times are the American public willing to be dupes for war and the fiscally unaccountable and politically Untouchable government of the Pentagon? Follow the cash trail…taxpayer to weapons…so many obsolete conventional war spending being clung to by old military war horses. A swarm of million dollar drones can take out an 10B dollar aircraft carrier…what’s the point of these white elephants plying all the high seas…other than projection of power and bullying the smaller nations of the world? Anyone who can read a world map sees the relics of colonial possession strewn throughout the world, and none belong to China…Hong Kong no longer in the cash cow coffers of the West… was really painful! |
Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #9)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:52 AM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
15. "what's the point of these white elephants plying all the high seas"
Maybe ask China?
As of 2022, the PLAN has two combat-ready aircraft carriers, the Liaoning and Shandong, with the third, Fujian, being fitted out. Wang Yunfei, a retired PLA Navy officer and other naval experts projected that China may possess five or six aircraft carriers by the 2030s. |
Response to EX500rider (Reply #15)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 11:11 AM
Voltaire2 (11,046 posts)
17. and how many aircraft carriers do we have?
"As of 2021, there are an estimated 46 aircraft/helicopter carriers in service worldwide. The United States has 11 aircraft carriers and 9 "helo" carriers, nearly as many as all other countries combined, followed by Japan and France, each with four."
Criticizing China for doing exactly what we have been doing is simply hypocrisy. |
Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #17)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 11:13 AM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
18. I'd didn't criticize having carriers at all.
Just pointed out that China does not seem to see them as "white elephants" as the poster said of the US ones.
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Response to McKim (Reply #7)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:50 AM
EX500rider (9,068 posts)
13. How many bases has China built in the South China Sea on land International Court says is not theirs
And dredging in and filling and destroying fragile coral reefs in the process.
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Response to McKim (Reply #7)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 01:51 PM
MarineCombatEngineer (10,934 posts)
25. Oh, I just knew I would find you here backing your buddy.
Doesn't matter that China is declaring that the S. China Sea is their sovereign territory and has built military bases on artificial islands and are harassing air and sea traffic in international waters.
no, no, no, according to you and your buddy, everything China good, everything US/NATO bad. I would ask if you're a mouth piece for China, but that would be a call out and I don't want a hide. Soo transparent. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:48 AM
Irish_Dem (40,833 posts)
12. China wants control of the South China Sea and the entire Pacific.
It must have regional control before it can claim global superpower status.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 01:10 PM
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (102,381 posts)
23. "You provoked us"
Same kind of excuse a domestic abuser uses.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sun Jun 4, 2023, 10:10 PM
Sparky 1 (399 posts)
38. Thank Reagan
A lot of us foresaw this back when Reagan first sent our manufacturing and millions of jobs to China, no doubt spurred on by wealthy business owners who cared more about profits than about their country and fellow Americans. Now China makes just about every commodity (and most of it garbage) and we make just about none (we used to make high quality). They're in a position to hurt us very badly. They want to rule the world and they're well on the way to doing it. No wonder rethugs are smooching up to dictators. They created this monster.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Mon Jun 5, 2023, 07:16 AM
dalton99a (78,062 posts)
39. US releases video showing close-call in Taiwan Strait with Chinese destroyer
https://apnews.com/article/us-china-taiwan-strait-489a45bb6df134fa09443d285b3f8669
US releases video showing close-call in Taiwan Strait with Chinese destroyer By DAVID RISING BANGKOK (AP) — The United States military released video Monday of what it called an “unsafe” Chinese maneuver in the Taiwan Strait on the weekend, in which a Chinese navy ship cut sharply across the path of an American destroyer, forcing the U.S. vessel to slow to avoid a collision. The incident occurred Saturday as the American destroyer USS Chung-Hoon and Canadian frigate HMCS Montreal were conducting a so-called “freedom of navigation” transit of the strait between Taiwan and mainland China. China claims the democratic self-governing island of Taiwan as part of its own territory, and maintains the strait is part of its exclusive economic zone, while the U.S. and its allies regularly sail through and fly over the passage to emphasize their contention that the waters are international. During the Saturday transit, the Chinese guided-missile destroyer overtook the Chung-Hoon on its port side, then veered across its bow at a distance of some 150 yards (137 meters), according to the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command. The American destroyer held its course, but reduced speed to 10 knots “to avoid a collision,” the military said. The video released Monday shows the Chinese ship cutting across the course of the American one, then straightening out to start sailing in a parallel direction. |