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BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 12:15 PM Mar 2023

Trump indictment grand jury not 'likely' to meet Thursday either after Manhattan DA paused

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Source: Business Insider

The Manhattan 'hush-money' grand jury, after being told by prosecutors not to come in on Wednesday, is not 'likely' to meet Thursday either, law enforcement sources told Insider. Wednesday's cancellation came on the brink of a possible historic indictment vote of former President Donald Trump. The grand jury has been meeting on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays to hear evidence of Trump's alleged role in approving a 2016 election-eve payment of $130,000 to adult film actress Stormy Daniels, money that federal prosecutors have called an illegal campaign expenditure.

Star prosecution witness Michael Cohen had told reporters as recently as last week that he had expected to be the grand jury's final witness. Had that remained the plan, Cohen's testimony, which concluded last Wednesday, would have been quickly followed by deliberations and a vote. But Wednesday's pause in the grand jury's activity — especially if the panel indeed takes the rest of this week off — will likely delay the process into next week.

Grand juries convene in secret, and prosecutors are statutorily barred from discussing what they do. This week's pause came after unexpected testimony Monday by Robert Costello, who was allowed to address the grand jurors at the defense's request. Costello, who previously served as Cohen's legal advisor, said at a press conference Monday that he attacked his former client's credibility during his testimony.

Cohen had just spent two days of testimony walking grand jurors through the chronology of Trump's involvement in the payment. It is nclear why District Attorney Alvin Bragg hit pause on a grand jury that has been hearing evidence against Trump since mid-January. The reason for the pause could be unrelated to the grand jury's investigation. It is also possible that prosecutors are executing a shift in strategy.

Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-indictment-hush-money-grand-jury-cancelled-wednesday-sources-2023-3



Article updated.

Full headline: Trump indictment grand jury not 'likely' to meet Thursday either after Manhattan DA paused Stormy Daniels case Wednesday

Original article and headline -

Exclusive: Trump 'hush money' grand jury called off for Wednesday, delaying possible indictment vote

The Manhattan 'hush-money' grand jury has been told not to come in on Wednesday, a cancellation that comes on the brink of a possible historic indictment vote of former President Donald Trump, according to two law enforcement officers.

And while nothing beyond Wednesday is set in stone, it is unlikely that the grand jury will meet at all this week, said one of the law enforcement sources, who spoke to Insider on condition of anonymity.

The grand jury has been meeting on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays to hear evidence of Trump's alleged role in approving a 2016 election-eve payment of $130,000 to adult film actress Stormy Daniels, money that federal prosecutors have called an illegal campaign expenditure. Star prosecution witness Michael Cohen had told reporters as recently as last week that he had expected to be the grand jury's final witness.

Had that remained the plan, Cohen's testimony, which concluded last Wednesday, would have been quickly followed by deliberation and a vote. But today's pause in the grand jury's activity — especially if the panel does take the rest of this week off — will likely delay the process into next week.


Note the update is in contradiction to NBC News' assertion that the grand jury was going to reconvene Thursday but we shall see.
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Trump indictment grand jury not 'likely' to meet Thursday either after Manhattan DA paused (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 OP
Could be to ward off potential violence and displays of misguided support. Hey, these folks... machoneman Mar 2023 #1
Wonder what's up. Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #2
delay delay delay LiberalLovinLug Mar 2023 #3
Delays only make trump squirm more. pwb Mar 2023 #4
The cult Traildogbob Mar 2023 #5
Re: "Buzz killer..." - Dr. Feelgood Recommends "Two Marijuanas" And A Beer... Results May Vary.. MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #23
Every day is Friday!!! Traildogbob Mar 2023 #33
Right on! Stay away from that "blood of christ! MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #34
Wow - I noticed that, too! calimary Mar 2023 #39
😆😆😵‍💫😎 Traildogbob Mar 2023 #41
"Remember that old one-liner"... Dude... I can't remember... wat? MayReasonRule Mar 2023 #46
Ahhhh... those were the days! calimary Mar 2023 #48
We've been retired for 15 years and say the exact same thing every Friday. OMGWTF Mar 2023 #42
If trump is ever charged his kacekwl Mar 2023 #6
I agree ..... ZZZzzz... EmmaLee E Mar 2023 #27
IF it's called off because of his possible rioters, bluestarone Mar 2023 #7
I'm going to break down some boxes in my rental Marthe48 Mar 2023 #8
It's probably over the kerfuffle of his lawyer.... getagrip_already Mar 2023 #9
what kind of a fucking joke is this. barbtries Mar 2023 #10
the game has started republianmushroom Mar 2023 #11
ALVIIIIIN jgo Mar 2023 #12
... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #24
Ironically, the subtitle of the song is "Christmas Don't Be Late" jgo Mar 2023 #35
ROFL!!! calimary Mar 2023 #40
I wonder if I'll live long enough to see something "real" happen with disgusting crook! n/t Paper Roses Mar 2023 #13
What a waste of a good day to indite a POS Bird Lady Mar 2023 #14
Prolly won't be until next week, then. Hope I'm wrong. AngryOldDem Mar 2023 #15
Some interesting reasoning for this - scheduling another witness BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #16
Ya gotta laugh! FredGarvin Mar 2023 #19
They are supposedly "on standby" for tomorrow BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #22
Another flip? AngryOldDem Mar 2023 #31
Apparently someone who testified earlier BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #32
Money wins again FredGarvin Mar 2023 #17
Just like Lucy with the football. Novara Mar 2023 #18
Trump and his legal team are gonna milk this FredGarvin Mar 2023 #20
Unless Bragg comes down with a whopper of an indictment Novara Mar 2023 #30
Very interesting. elleng Mar 2023 #21
There has been some political analyst chatter about that BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #25
I like it! elleng Mar 2023 #26
"it's beginning to llok a lot like Fitzmas!!!" Happy Hoosier Mar 2023 #28
Maybe... 2naSalit Mar 2023 #29
"...will likely delay the process into next week." LudwigPastorius Mar 2023 #36
Do we know they haven't already voted to indict? CaptainTruth Mar 2023 #37
When I was on a Federal Grand Jury Sucha NastyWoman Mar 2023 #38
I had a former coworker who was on a federal grand jury BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #45
WTF?!! orangecrush Mar 2023 #43
I read they meet Mon, Wed & Thurs afternoons - something like that Jarqui Mar 2023 #44
Could be bomb threats RussBLib Mar 2023 #47
Arrest him Friday night with a bail hearing on Monday evening. Emile Mar 2023 #49

machoneman

(3,997 posts)
1. Could be to ward off potential violence and displays of misguided support. Hey, these folks...
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 12:19 PM
Mar 2023

often have very limited finances and can't afford to stay away from home for very long.

Traildogbob

(8,674 posts)
5. The cult
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 12:29 PM
Mar 2023

Can not afford to park in New York for more than an hour. Imagine days, and the cost of Motel 6 or food in NY. And the rats ain’t gonna share pizza scraps.
But this is a Buzz killer for today. How many years!!!!!!

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
23. Re: "Buzz killer..." - Dr. Feelgood Recommends "Two Marijuanas" And A Beer... Results May Vary..
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:34 PM
Mar 2023


Fridays had generally been one of the single most productive work days in my week and I absolutely adore Fridays, 'cause I'm "working for the weekend".

So I just made every day Friday.

Result: My overall productivity and enjoyment of life increased exponentially. I attribute that to embracing what I love, (Fridays), and making them a larger part of my life.

Added bonus: I'm always correct at least one time per week, lol.
Laissez bon temp rouler!

Traildogbob

(8,674 posts)
33. Every day is Friday!!!
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:02 PM
Mar 2023

I am 10 years retired. It terrifies me that every time I blink my eyes, it’s freaking Friday again. The weeks and months fly by. Thinking I need a horrible job to slow down the time. It’s almost April 1 and like yesterday was mid January.
I retired in spring 2012. And since 2016, I am pissed off way too much. That’s gotta end. But it will take trump and his cult being reduced to a Jimmy Swaggert TV show.
Your advice is very wise.
Time to reintroduce Mary and Jane again maybe. (NC will still imprison you, but Moonshine is served in churches as the blood of Christ)
And we have more Micro brewery’s than most of US. (WNC).
Cheers to you.

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
34. Right on! Stay away from that "blood of christ!
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:13 PM
Mar 2023
You'll be delusional before you can say Nationalist Christian!

My personal rules for my life:

I embrace what I love.
I start with myself.
I leave the rest.

As I've done those things:

I eat well.
I sleep well.
I stay well

... and happy Friday y'all!

calimary

(81,110 posts)
39. Wow - I noticed that, too!
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:06 PM
Mar 2023

It’s Wednesday already! Where’d the week go, already?

Remember that old one-liner: “dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope”!

kacekwl

(7,013 posts)
6. If trump is ever charged his
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 12:36 PM
Mar 2023

defense team will have to get at least a year to prepare then blah, blah, blah.

bluestarone

(16,859 posts)
7. IF it's called off because of his possible rioters,
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 12:37 PM
Mar 2023

What the fuck kinda message does that send? I just hope it's called off for other reasons. BUT we may never know!

Marthe48

(16,898 posts)
8. I'm going to break down some boxes in my rental
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 12:41 PM
Mar 2023

unit. May as well be productive and keep my own life on track.

I was thinking about it, and traitor's announcement about his arrest is an abuser's sadistic ploy.

getagrip_already

(14,618 posts)
9. It's probably over the kerfuffle of his lawyer....
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 12:43 PM
Mar 2023

Conflict of interest charges were raised, and a judge may need to remove him and have tfg appoint a replacement.

Though it's unclear why that would impact the gj. It would impact surrender planning.

jgo

(903 posts)
35. Ironically, the subtitle of the song is "Christmas Don't Be Late"
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:21 PM
Mar 2023

Won three Grammy awards - who knew?


Bird Lady

(1,815 posts)
14. What a waste of a good day to indite a POS
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:06 PM
Mar 2023

Another disappointing day. I was looking forward to that perp walk but as the last three years have been just one disappointment after another. I'll put the popcorn and champagne away in the hope it will happen in my lifetime.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
15. Prolly won't be until next week, then. Hope I'm wrong.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:11 PM
Mar 2023

This gives the asshole more time to practice his perp walk (which I hear he wants to do, because…martyrdom), practice his mugshot smile, and get spray tan touchups.

We’ve waited this long…are we surprised at one more delay? I trust Bragg here.

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
16. Some interesting reasoning for this - scheduling another witness
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:11 PM
Mar 2023



Mueller, She Wrote
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BREAKING: the Manhattan DA is leaving the door open for one witness to come back and testify. That might be the reason for the delay.
Acyn
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Reid: Sources say that prosecutors have been in touch with an attorney for at least one witness, and they signal that they're leaving the door open for that witness to potentially come back..
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12:49 PM · Mar 22, 2023






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We’re now learning the Trump grand jury in Manhattan is no longer meeting today, possibly due to a scheduling conflict. Who knows for sure? Grand juries are secret. They’re now set to come back Thursday, per @ABC7NYNewsDesk
12:16 PM · Mar 22, 2023

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
22. They are supposedly "on standby" for tomorrow
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:26 PM
Mar 2023
1h ago / 12:15 PM EDT
Grand jury told not to come in today

Jonathan Dienst, Melissa Russo and Rebecca Shabad

The New York grand jury that's been investigating the hush money case and is expected to soon consider an indictment of Trump has been told not to come in today, NBC News confirmed.

The Manhattan District Attorney's Office told the members that they should be on standby for tomorrow, two sources familiar with the matter said.

Business Insider was the first to report the delay.

(snip)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-news-ny-grand-jury-indictment-live-updates-rcna76028#rcrd11504

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
32. Apparently someone who testified earlier
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:00 PM
Mar 2023

who could come back and reiterate a connection of this payment "to influence the election" as a rebuttal to whatever Costello said Monday (which could make it a stronger case for a felony vs misdemeanor charge of misrepresenting business entries).

Novara

(5,821 posts)
18. Just like Lucy with the football.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:17 PM
Mar 2023

There's some speculation that the impending charges may be for more than the hush money crime.

We can hope.

Novara

(5,821 posts)
30. Unless Bragg comes down with a whopper of an indictment
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:50 PM
Mar 2023

Some experts think there may be more than just the hush money case in this potential indictment. If Bragg and the GJ take their time and come out with a whopper, it will be worth waiting a few more days.

I hope.

elleng

(130,732 posts)
21. Very interesting.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:23 PM
Mar 2023

I've thought/assumed the several matters/grand juries working now were not coordinating with each other, I'm wondering now whether they (or Bragg, at least) is thinking about benefits to everyone if one considering a major issue, like in Georgia, precedes others.

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
25. There has been some political analyst chatter about that
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:37 PM
Mar 2023

not pointing to GA but to the classified docs case, notably Marcy Wheeler -





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I'll pee my pants laughing if the NY GJ delay results in the stolen docs case indicting first after all the hand-wringing about order.
12:08 PM · Mar 22, 2023





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Folks, on the NY GJ, it seems likely that Robert Costello didn't present the case they expected--that Trump thinks all he has to do is discredit Cohen and he wins.
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So it may be Bragg realized there was a better rebuttal witness than Cohen, like one of the people who testified how important the hush payment was to the campaign. And THAT witness may not have been available on 1 day's notice.
12:16 PM · Mar 22, 2023


Happy Hoosier

(7,216 posts)
28. "it's beginning to llok a lot like Fitzmas!!!"
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:40 PM
Mar 2023

Call me cynical. I'm beginning to believe no one has the guts to hold this muthafucker accountable for a damned thing.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
29. Maybe...
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 01:40 PM
Mar 2023

Just spit-balling, the revelation from Stormy Daniels that the mob-style attorney for chump should have to recuse which might present chump with a little time to figure out who his next useful idiot will be.

If so...

I wonder when he'll have to ask Tiffany to represent him?

CaptainTruth

(6,576 posts)
37. Do we know they haven't already voted to indict?
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 02:42 PM
Mar 2023

From the article:

"The grand jury has been meeting on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays"

"Michael Cohen had told reporters as recently as last week that he had expected to be the grand jury's final witness."

"Cohen's testimony, which concluded last Wednesday, would have been quickly followed by deliberation and a vote"

So, if Cohen's Wednesday testimony was "quickly followed by deliberation and a vote," the grand jury could have deliberated & voted when they met Thursday, & it's done.

Did it happen? Given the facts in the article it's apparently possible. Do we know it didn't happen?



BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
45. I had a former coworker who was on a federal grand jury
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:52 PM
Mar 2023

and he indicated that his jury met once a month for about a year.

I think I saw for this state grand jury, they were meeting twice a week - Mondays and Wednesdays. From what has been reported, supposedly Bragg told them after cancelling today's regular session, to "standby" as they might be called to come in tomorrow instead.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
44. I read they meet Mon, Wed & Thurs afternoons - something like that
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:48 PM
Mar 2023

Costello came in and the Grand Jury was interested in 6 emails (that I think he sent).
That bothered Costello. He was hoping for more.

Trump's modus operandi has been to mess with the process.
I think this case must be more than falsifying campaign financial records.
Some have raised witness tampering - which would align with the emails to Cohen that said something to the effect of 'you have friends in high places ..'
So if there's another witness required, it might be to deal with Costello and the obstruction/tampering.

That flies a little in the face of Trump lawyer Tacopino trying to fluff it off as merely an extortion payment so Melania wouldn't find out. That may have rattled Costello who planned on discrediting Cohen to scuttle the falsifying campaign records charge ... Costello would have to know something else was up and seemed to during his exit interview. He didn't get to say what he planned to say.
I think that bodes well for Bragg.

Bragg's career is effectively on the line here.
There seems to be something more than a misdemeanor being inflated to a felony going on here - which will provide further justification for Bragg's actions and shut a bunch of people up.

The additional day might also be for Bragg to collect his thoughts on presenting his final remarks or questions to the Grand Jury.

RussBLib

(9,003 posts)
47. Could be bomb threats
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 04:49 PM
Mar 2023

They probably need to have the Grand Jury meet in a different location, since Trumpanzees are calling in bomb threats.

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