Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:06 AM
milestogo (14,492 posts)
'It's justified': Joe Biden welcomes ICC arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin
Source: The Guardian
Joe Biden has welcomed the international criminal court’s decision to issue an arrest warrant for the Russian president for war crimes in Ukraine. The US president said Vladimir Putin had clearly committed war crimes and that the arrest warrant for the Russian leader made a “very strong point”. “Well, I think it’s justified,” Biden said of the warrant on Friday. “But the question is – [the ICC is] not recognised internationally by us either. But I think it makes a very strong point.” The US is not a member of the court and the Pentagon has resisted cooperating with it because of fears American soldiers could be pursued by the court. The ICC decision, for allegations Putin has overseen the abduction of Ukrainian children, marks the first time the court has issued a warrant against one of the five permanent members of the UN security council. Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/18/joe-biden-welcomes-icc-arrest-warrant-vladimir-putin
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milestogo | Saturday | OP |
cstanleytech | Saturday | #1 | |
Warpy | Saturday | #5 | |
cstanleytech | Saturday | #6 | |
Warpy | Saturday | #7 | |
Alexander Of Assyria | Saturday | #2 | |
OMGWTF | Saturday | #3 | |
EX500rider | Saturday | #4 | |
Alexander Of Assyria | Saturday | #8 | |
former9thward | Sunday | #10 | |
Cha | Sunday | #9 | |
Seeking Serenity | Wednesday | #11 |
Response to milestogo (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:52 AM
cstanleytech (24,777 posts)
1. Well that is going to limit Putin's ability to travel which is not a bad thing.
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #1)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:31 PM
Warpy (106,479 posts)
5. Um, not really
No one would get through his phalanx of goons to arrest him. However, his destinations are already limited to places the ICC has no jurisdiction, so nothing has changed in that department.
There are two arrest warrants: Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova, his head of the children's commission, who is hoarding 23 Ukrainian children herself while pushing through illegal adoptions of other Ukrainian children illegally seized and deported to Russia. They claim it;s humanitarian, so did the Argentine dictators who disappeared the children of people they didn't like. The ICC considers it cultural genocide and a war crime. There is nothing humanitarian about snatching children from their home country and trying to turn them into little Russians, especially when their parents are still alive and desperately trying to get them back. The last head of state the ICC indicted was Qadaffi and we know what happened to him. He didn't get arrested, either, but identifying him as a criminal went a long way toward convincing others in Libya that he was vulnerable. |
Response to Warpy (Reply #5)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:23 PM
cstanleytech (24,777 posts)
6. Countries will though have a justification to deny him entry.
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #6)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 05:18 PM
Warpy (106,479 posts)
7. He already can't go to most of them
Besides, the price for increasing power is both isolation and paranoia.
What this has done is kill his government's ability to negotiate any sort of a deal to end the war on any terms but Ukraine's. That means the return of all their children. |
Response to milestogo (Original post)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:37 PM
Alexander Of Assyria (4,618 posts)
2. So join the court America?, long overdue and in the national interest. As is now obvious.
Putin saying ICJ is western puppet ignores the fact many West nations aren’t members either.
With membership will come the privileges of engaging in the prosecution of all war criminals like Putin, instead of cheering from the peanut gallery. More Colonial Hypocrisy, now nuclear armed. |
Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #2)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:08 PM
OMGWTF (3,276 posts)
3. I don't think soldiers is the reason we're not a member of the ICC,
I think it's the war mongering Rethuglican politicians who want immunity from prosecution. Cheney The Dick and his dummy GeeDumbya should have faced trial in The Hague for their two fake wars for fun and profit which cost $3T and murdered over 500K people.
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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #3)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:21 PM
EX500rider (8,795 posts)
4. Afghanistan wasn't a "fake war"
You can argue it was a bad idea but Al Queda absolutely was based there and had the permission and protection of the Taliban during 9/11. The US had to take some action over the death of 3,000 American citizens, more then Pearl Harbor & about 2 million Japanese died for that.
They had their chance to turn over Osama bin Laden and made their choice. |
Response to OMGWTF (Reply #3)
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:30 PM
Alexander Of Assyria (4,618 posts)
8. The tail is clearly wagging the dog on this one.
Response to OMGWTF (Reply #3)
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 03:18 PM
former9thward (28,508 posts)
10. Really?
Why haven't Democratic presidents joined?
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Response to milestogo (Original post)
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 02:31 PM
Cha (283,899 posts)
9. It most certainly is, Justified. TY
Response to milestogo (Original post)
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 06:31 AM
Seeking Serenity (2,646 posts)
11. Here's the funny part
Putin could come to the US with full immunity granted to foreign leaders and without fear of arrest because the US is not a part of the ICC. Bill Clinton signed the treaty, but didn't (wouldn't) send it the Senate for ratification. Every subsequent president, in turn, also refused to submit the treaty for ratification.
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