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Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:33 AM

Biden administration quietly resumes deportations to Russia

Source: Guardian/US

The Biden administration has quietly resumed deportations to Russia, an apparent reversal of the position adopted after Russia invaded Ukraine just over a year ago, when such removals were suspended, the Guardian has learned.

Immigration advocates were taken by surprise when a young Russian man, who came to the US fleeing Vladimir Putin’s efforts to mobilize citizens to fight in Ukraine, was abruptly deported at the weekend from the US back to Russia.

He was among several Russian asylum seekers, many of whom have made their way to the US in the last year, who are now terrified the US government will return them to Russia where they could face prison or be sent rapidly to the frontline, where Russia has seen tens of thousands of casualties.

“US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) remains committed to enforcing immigration laws humanely, effectively and with professionalism. Ice facilitates the transfer and removal of non-citizens via commercial airlines and chartered flights in support of mission requirements,” the federal agency said this week, adding: “Ice conducts removals to countries, including Russia, in accordance with country removal guidelines.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/18/biden-administration-russia-deportations



Wow, I am not sure yet what to make of this.
Some Russians are fleeing Putin's draft to fight in Ukraine.

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Reply Biden administration quietly resumes deportations to Russia (Original post)
mysteryowl Saturday OP
dalton99a Saturday #1
ratchiweenie Saturday #2
2naSalit Saturday #29
Tom Rinaldo Saturday #3
Phoenix61 Saturday #4
Traildogbob Saturday #5
SheltieLover Saturday #9
Traildogbob Saturday #13
SheltieLover Saturday #14
Traildogbob Saturday #16
SheltieLover Saturday #17
EndlessWire Sunday #30
SheltieLover Saturday #6
dalton99a Saturday #8
SheltieLover Saturday #10
former9thward Saturday #11
SheltieLover Saturday #12
Owl Saturday #28
Captain Zero Monday #36
former9thward Monday #37
treestar Wednesday #42
riversedge Saturday #7
usonian Saturday #15
riversedge Monday #41
Celerity Monday #39
cstanleytech Saturday #18
Celerity Monday #40
treestar Wednesday #44
cstanleytech Wednesday #45
treestar Wednesday #46
Irish_Dem Saturday #19
C Moon Saturday #24
Irish_Dem Saturday #25
MaryMagdaline Saturday #20
ZonkerHarris Saturday #21
LenaBaby61 Monday #33
yaesu Saturday #22
mainer Saturday #23
treestar Wednesday #43
JI7 Saturday #26
IbogaProject Saturday #27
orangecrush Sunday #31
Wonder Why Sunday #32
old as dirt Monday #34
Captain Zero Monday #35
roamer65 Monday #38

Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:36 AM

1. Russian asylum-seekers should be seriously vetted.


Some could be Putin's agents.


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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:36 AM

2. Perhaps some of them only claim to have come here to escape Putin.

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Response to ratchiweenie (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:07 PM

29. +1

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:40 AM

3. I suppose they could be suspected of espionage or of crimial activites

It could be a perfect pretext for Putin to embed agents in the U.S., but I am just speculating. Unless U.S. authorities are suspicious of something like that, there is no way we should be deporting Russian dissidents now.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:43 AM

4. Sorry but both worth the risk. Putin and his agents have done

more than enough damage to this country.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:44 AM

5. Can we at

Least demand they take the entire trump family, even Barron, and all the GQP operatives for each asylum seeker from Russia we take? And we should take 2 for each of Jr’s and Eric’s spawn. Eliminate the gene in Our country. That is some acceptable genocide, and one we should never be ashamed of to put in Our history books and class room lessons.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:46 AM

9. Each ruskie deported should take at least one maga family with them.

One-way. No return.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:58 AM

13. I think

We are taking Russian Refuges fleeing Putin, so that’s why I like trading our traitors for their asylum seekers. The Russian’s fleeing are much more patriotic and willing to stand for American than the GQP cult of Putin. I would gladly trade any of the Large Marge Caucus for any other countries asylum seekers. We can trust them to appreciate Democracy.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:02 AM

14. Great point.

We have to trust Joe & the intel community on this, though.

Vindeman is a great example of what you've shared. A superb patriot!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:09 AM

16. Absolutely.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:13 AM

17. After Poland caught that group secretly planning to blow up an airport,

I'm good with whatever Joe does.

Of course, I'm always good with whatever Joe does!

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 12:51 AM

30. Please leave the kid out of it. n/t

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:45 AM

6. Good!

After the group caught in Poland planning to blow up airport, no desire for ruskies to be here.

Not to say they are all bad people, but is it worth the risk? Not to me. Jmo. I didn't get a vote on this. Lol

Joe must know something prompting him to get them out of our country. Intel warnings, perhaps?

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:46 AM

8. +1. I trust Biden on this

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:47 AM

10. Absolutely!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:56 AM

11. There are 400,000 Russian nationals in the U.S.

Should we expel them all?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:57 AM

12. Not my call. I trust Joe.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 08:24 PM

28. As do I.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 20, 2023, 11:19 AM

36. Ok with me. Expel them all.

There are some Russians here claiming they are from Ukraine too. Trying to fly under the radar. We need a program to root out Putin's plants. And don't tell me I'm not right. You know he would do it. In 10;years a bunch of them will be running for Congress in safe Republican seats.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 20, 2023, 12:44 PM

37. Would you expel those who have become U.S. citizens?

Afterall a perfect way to "sneak in". Maybe we should expel all foreign born. They might be agents also.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:29 AM

42. only the ones who have no legal status

doesn't matter what nationality people are - they need a legal status or they can be deported. They don't have to be criminals or bad guys. If they apply for asylum, it has to be granted for them to stay here. If it is denied, they are out.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:45 AM

7. whow. I am with the OP--I do not know what to make of this right now. ..

I can't read rest of article because I have used my free ones. Will look later to see if other media outlets have a story

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Response to riversedge (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:09 AM

15. Use the archive

https://archive.ph/ZnlaI

Sometimes, the wayback machine works (archive.org)

You can try clearing cookies from your browser. Some sites use cookies to count visits. Some use browser fingerprinting (evil).

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Response to usonian (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 20, 2023, 08:39 PM

41. Thanks for tips I will try.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 20, 2023, 06:33 PM

39. The Guardian doesn't have a paywall. nt

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:56 AM

18. Hmmm I am thinking about what happened during WWII to the Japanese Americans and immigrants so

I hope that our government doesn't repeat that.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 20, 2023, 07:29 PM

40. selective xenophobia running riot from certain quarters

The same arguments are being tossed out by some for Russians living in the US now that were used to justify the Japanese internment camps back in the day.

They could be Japanese agents/spies of Hirohito, so it's better to play it safe!

Now substitute Russian and Putin in that sentence.

As long as it is a bogeyman, a spectre, that they hate/fear, then it's all good, despite the same (or at least similar) things, the same xenophobia, being manifested in the past against other groups that they happen to approve of/like/admire (thus sparking selective outrage for THAT historical abuse, whilst at the same time arguing for similar treatment for their non-preferred, non-approved-of groups).

It's sad to see this here on a self-proclaimed liberal/progressive board.

Hell, I wager some may well think I am perhaps a crypto-Russian agent just for bringing this up.

Some of the chatter here sounds a bit too much like what many Jews were told when they arrived in the US (and were turned away) in the 1930s/1940s:



The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies

In a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

In the summer of 1942, the SS Drottningholm set sail carrying hundreds of desperate Jewish refugees, en route to New York City from Sweden. Among them was Herbert Karl Friedrich Bahr, a 28-year-old from Germany, who was also seeking entry to the United States. When he arrived, he told the same story as his fellow passengers: As a victim of persecution, he wanted asylum from Nazi violence.

But during a meticulous interview process that involved five separate government agencies, Bahr's story began to unravel. Days later, the FBI accused Bahr of being a Nazi spy. They said the Gestapo had given him $7,000 to steal American industrial secrets—and that he'd posed as a refugee in order to sneak into the country unnoticed. His case was rushed to trial, and the prosecution called for the death penalty. What Bahr didn’t know, or perhaps didn’t mind, was that his story would be used as an excuse to deny visas to thousands of Jews fleeing the horrors of the Nazi regime.

World War II prompted the largest displacement of human beings the world has ever seen—although today's refugee crisis is starting to approach its unprecedented scale. But even with millions of European Jews displaced from their homes, the United States had a poor track record offering asylum. Most notoriously, in June 1939, the German ocean liner St. Louis and its 937 passengers, almost all Jewish, were turned away from the port of Miami, forcing the ship to return to Europe; more than a quarter died in the Holocaust.

Government officials from the State Department to the FBI to President Franklin Roosevelt himself argued that refugees posed a serious threat to national security. Yet today, historians believe that Bahr's case was practically unique—and the concern about refugee spies was blown far out of proportion.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:32 AM

44. very different; long term multi-generational

residents vs. people who just arrived in the US.

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Response to treestar (Reply #44)

Wed Mar 22, 2023, 04:45 AM

45. Actually it was also recent immigrants from japan that were also treated in the same manner and

with the same reaction that we have seen by some here.
Thats not to say I dont think some probably do need to be deported but we need to avoid repeating the same mistake that was made back during WWII.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 22, 2023, 05:58 AM

46. the Russians have a long tradition of US spying

as we do of spying on them. It's a different relationship.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:02 PM

19. 100% certain Putin has sent some Russian agents to the US.

Biden must have found out about the plans.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:34 PM

24. I also believe that's what is going on here:

it is too convenient for putin not to do that.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 03:20 PM

25. Putin is very angry at the US right now. Of course he is going to increase his war against us.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:11 PM

20. We should let them all in

What a way to “kill” potential soldiers without shedding any blood. Russia was already defeating itself by causing millions of young people to move to the West. Let’s bleed their population until it’s dry.
We gained a lot of great Americans who fled conscript in Russia in early 1900s.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:15 PM

21. Sorry no safe harbor here. Go back to Russia organize some friends and depose Putin.

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Response to ZonkerHarris (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 20, 2023, 01:53 AM

33. REALLY THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:42 PM

22. How about deporting the real Russian s, republicans. nt

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:44 PM

23. This is not a good look. We should be offering them asylum

as long as they're vetted.

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Response to mainer (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 22, 2023, 03:30 AM

43. asylum is only for government persecution

nothing says being subject to a draft is persecution. Maybe political opposition to the war, and being jailed for that.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 03:41 PM

26. Was he here illegally ? Did he seek asylum or was just here ?

need to know more.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:21 PM

27. Maybe

The goal is to force Russians to fight Putin there. It's bad for this individual but that regime needs to be toppled.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 02:58 AM

31. Bye, Russians!



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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 10:08 AM

32. How about letting them stay after they spend 1 year in the Ukranian army?

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2023, 11:12 AM

35. We have to be concerned that some are sleepers

That Putin is sending to infiltrate us too. I say we should pack up their embassy and consulates here, and send them back too, and let them keep five people in a place of our choosing.

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Response to mysteryowl (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2023, 12:57 PM

38. ...and how many of them are FSB or GRU?

Best to send them back and not run the risk of it.

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