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catsudon

(864 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 04:56 PM Feb 2023

China weighs in on the war in Ukraine, pushing Europe to stop trying to get Kyiv a 'complete victory

Source: msn

China warned the West against pushing for Ukraine's "complete victory" over Russia.
"We are quite concerned about the possible escalation of this conflict," China's diplomat to the EU said.
The Chinese diplomat said Beijing believes negotiations would be a better route forward.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-weighs-in-on-the-war-in-ukraine-pushing-europe-to-stop-trying-to-get-kyiv-a-complete-victory-over-russia/ar-AA17gksJ?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=be320487cf8c4e4389281af5548cc28c



Awful dictatorship supporting another awful dictatorship, shocker.

China big mad because they know Taiwan would get as much or even more help from the west than Ukraine is getting. The CCP knows it’s on its last leg, I hope the Chinese citizens do Xi like the Italians did Mussolini.
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China weighs in on the war in Ukraine, pushing Europe to stop trying to get Kyiv a 'complete victory (Original Post) catsudon Feb 2023 OP
Perhaps Xi/CCP should push on Putin/USSR to stop trying total takeovers of other states. erronis Feb 2023 #1
China can't, because it is going to take Taiwan at some point. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #5
Besides, isn't this precisely what China did to Tibet? thucythucy Feb 2023 #8
Yes exactly. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #9
yes Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #10
China, Musk, and the GOP all have the same desired outcome on this one. Torchlight Feb 2023 #2
Yes they believe autocracies will be the new global superpower form of government. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #6
Xi and Putin need to be dead. dalton99a Feb 2023 #3
then discuss it with your buddy. elleng Feb 2023 #4
Right, because Ukraine invaded Russia IronLionZion Feb 2023 #7
Remind me again who China is friends with? tornado34jh Feb 2023 #11
How about China forget about "complete victory" re: Taiwan Mysterian Feb 2023 #12
Interesting words - complete victory karynnj Feb 2023 #13
STFU, balloon boys. paleotn Feb 2023 #14
China has no moral high ground blue-wave Feb 2023 #15
Go fuck yourself, China. sakabatou Feb 2023 #16
Fuck you, China. I thought you were against interfering in other country's "internal affairs." Martin68 Feb 2023 #17
So no "complete victory" over Taiwan, Comrade...? Grins Feb 2023 #18
Authoritarians always think people should always give up a little freedom for security, always Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2023 #19
Instead push for Russia's complete victory in which it annexes half of Ukraine? XorXor Feb 2023 #20

erronis

(15,977 posts)
1. Perhaps Xi/CCP should push on Putin/USSR to stop trying total takeovers of other states.
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 05:02 PM
Feb 2023

But that wouldn't fit into the tyrants narratives.

thucythucy

(8,328 posts)
8. Besides, isn't this precisely what China did to Tibet?
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 05:45 PM
Feb 2023

Basically invade a sovereign nation, occupy it, send a sizable portion of its people into exile, decimate its culture and history, and annex it, as in: "This is part of China now. Always was, always had been..."

In some ways you could say Tibet is China's Ukraine.

Irish_Dem

(52,763 posts)
9. Yes exactly.
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 05:47 PM
Feb 2023

And China had no reason to do this.
They have plenty of land, people and resources.

They do it for the same reason Putin does it, because they can.
And want to be in control of everyone.

ETA: Like the GOP is doing in the US. Get as much control as possible.

Torchlight

(3,777 posts)
2. China, Musk, and the GOP all have the same desired outcome on this one.
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 05:03 PM
Feb 2023

'Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys.' (Bull)

IronLionZion

(46,024 posts)
7. Right, because Ukraine invaded Russia
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 05:37 PM
Feb 2023

in the same way that weather balloons carry signals intelligence equipment having nothing to do with the weather.

tornado34jh

(1,135 posts)
11. Remind me again who China is friends with?
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 05:52 PM
Feb 2023

Oh that's right, Russia. Both Russia and China are mad that other states won't bow to them. Now in regards to Russia, here's a thought. Perhaps Russia should be careful about what they wish for with China. Now this is not likely and it is more a hypothetical scenario. What if China sees Russia as weak and decides, "Okay, we'll invade Russia and take Russian territory"? I mean, Russia is having a difficult time in Ukraine, and they are so stretched out over land that I don't think they can cover all that territory. What does China know about Ukraine other than what Russia tells them? No one can believe anything China says except those influenced by Russian propaganda, and yes, that includes other countries like India, who doesn't like China, but their government and a lot of, if not most of their media tend to be pro-Russia. Like Ukraine, Taiwan has made it clear they do not want to be in an authoritarian government.

karynnj

(59,632 posts)
13. Interesting words - complete victory
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 06:16 PM
Feb 2023

Last edited Thu Feb 9, 2023, 07:59 PM - Edit history (1)

If you consider that means the victor completely defeats the loser, that would mean Ukraine controlling Russia. Yet, that is not the goal of Ukraine or NATO. Ukraine's stated goal is achieving control of all of Ukraine including Crimea.

I would assume that China is saying Ukraine should not get that. Russia should be given part of Ukraine. The problem is this means that against a powerful neighbor, sovereignty means nothing.

blue-wave

(4,477 posts)
15. China has no moral high ground
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 10:07 PM
Feb 2023

to stand on. They have thousands if not more of their citizens in concentration camps and sell body parts from executed criminals, many imprisoned unjustly, on the open market.

Martin68

(23,657 posts)
17. Fuck you, China. I thought you were against interfering in other country's "internal affairs."
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 11:40 PM
Feb 2023

Does China look at Ukraine as a Russian version of Taiwan?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,779 posts)
19. Authoritarians always think people should always give up a little freedom for security, always
Fri Feb 10, 2023, 06:50 AM
Feb 2023

They are unrelenting in their pressure, like the Authoritarian party with the slim majority in the House of Representatives.

When authoritarians control all the levers, they do things like crush Uyghurs and Hong Kong. They do things like control the population with Social Credit Scoring.

XorXor

(655 posts)
20. Instead push for Russia's complete victory in which it annexes half of Ukraine?
Fri Feb 10, 2023, 03:25 PM
Feb 2023

Force Ukraine to disarm itself and cut ties with the west so that it's isolated and easy prey for Russia's 2025 "SMO" in Ukraine?


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