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As long as he wants.

I think Biden is doing great!

Who is this pollster and what's their track record? Looks like a pretty small sampling, as well. Big headline, signifying nothing. If not Joe, Who?

Results are based on a survey of 462 Democrats conducted Jan. 26-30, 2023. The margin of error is 6.5 percentage points for the full sample, higher for subgroups.

So, this subgroup question could be a higher error rate...... imaginary red waves coming soon? And 462 Democrats, that's our sample? No wonder they are warning of a higher than 6.5 point error rate.

I think some of these polls are commission by Republicans to make it look like the Dems are in disarray and to encourage possible challengers to our very successful incumbent president.

The Washington Post/ABC News (NORC) is one of the top-rated for accuracy.

Just more lazy journalism.Of course we have to poll Democrats on how much disarray they are in.

And why does a general preference for new candidates indicate "disarray"?

The same media is reporting on Trump's failing poll numbers. That's called "news".

and that isn't even among subgroups. Clearly they cheaped out on this poll with that small sample size.

Do you really think he would win a general election in 2024?

younger isn't always better.

Shocked.

Back during the campaign. He's never run away from the age issue.
I believed him & really haven't changed my mind. But as others have already said; if not him WHO? It certainly wont be Harris.

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The question is does he appeal to voters in the upper midwest?

but he is from California... and much of the rest of the country hates California.

In addition he made a pronouncement on a huge budget surplus... only to turn around and realize an actual budget deficit.. a rather large deficit.

not to mention that he once dated and then married Kimberly Guilfoyle. Calls into question his ability to detect crazy.

I didn't know that....
Calls in to question his judgement.
He's a SOLID NO for me.

Of one of his employees when he was mayor of SF. Blamed it on a drinking problem if I remember right.

They succumb and are seduced by pretty women easily. I'm at times guilty of that.

If not Biden then it has to be a woman of color. It is time.

She would trounce Trump or DeSantis. It is still Bidens choice if he runs.

They had Trump in 2016, the worst possible candidate in every way, and the hounding of Clinton's emails helped bring her down. In 2020, they had the worst president in the history of the nation, and he came agonizingly close to winning.

We need somebody who is outstanding, who shines with charisma, who has insults rolling off a Teflon exterior, and Kamala is not that person.

But not her.

That's not how democracies work. if we do end up nominating a woman of color, then we vote for her. But nothing is handed to someone because it's their turn.

I woke up this morning and finding negative articles and polling en-mass across sites that are favorable Dems.

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If we have the Biden that we have today, I would say we would be fine. But he will continue to age. It's difficult to predict the impact of aging 5 years will have on him.

I'm in apart of my life where both my parents and my in-laws are in their upper 70's/early 80's. I see their decline. Both physically and mentally and both contribute to each other.

The spy 80 year old is still very much the exception.

And I'm not saying Joe can't do it. I'm just saying that I have great concerns about his capacity to continue at his current level.

Remember how much Obama aged from when he took office to when he left? Bush? Clinton? The OFFICE will age you along with your normal aging. So thats something to consider too. I can see the difference now from '20. To ignore it is folly

Reagan, Ford, and Poppy Bush all lived until their 90's, and Carter is 98. In 50 years, the youngest to die was Nixon, and even he was 81. The last President to die under 80 was LBJ at 64, a little over 50 years ago.

The changes with age are a real thing, not just people exhibiting 'agism.'

He's doing a good job.

Dems can be their own worse enemies sometimes.

Here is what was in the fine print at the link posted.

Results are based on a survey of 462 Democrats conducted Jan. 26-30, 2023. The margin of error is 6.5 percentage points for the full sample, higher for subgroups.

So only 462 ....less than half....of the people polled were Democrats. And the margin of error is half again as much and could be even higher than 6.

Gone are the days of 2 point margins of error, I guess.

Polls like this is how you get imaginary red waves.

but if Biden doesn't run, and we end with her as the nomination, I think we'll be in big trouble winning back the white house.

I'll still vote for her, but I'm afraid a lot won't.

We will need to consider a variety of candidates, not just hand on the baton.

So nothing to worry about.

... 2022 showing a huge red wave and if it wasn't for gerrymandered a voter suppression/voter negation
we would still have had the House and more Governorship's of states too.

President Biden is doing the best job as President in my lifetime.

Love the way Buttigieg handles the media, and he’s smart! I don’t know whether Biden would switch up like that or if losing Harris would lose him votes (probably would, which wouldn’t be worth it). Just think he might make a stronger 2nd than Harris. Or maybe he’d make a strong 2nd for Harris if Biden stepped down at some point. Biden was a strong VP for Obama, would like to see that for him especially if the Dems take back the House and increase in the Senate.

Either way, I’m still for Biden!

But I still want him to get some more congressional or gubernatorial experience before he runs for president again.

I can easily see voting from him in 2032 or possibly 2028. I think mid-town mayor and SecTrans are just not enough political and leadership experience.

But rather him than a lot of others, including any republican.

the people who predicted the 'red wave', the recession, bad job numbers, a poor economy and the country going the wrong way. The answers are all in the way the questions are asked. These reports are right wing media bullsh!t. Don't believe them

Regardless of polls. Biden is running again. He WILL be the nominee. He gets my vote. Period.

I am getting so f**king sick of this sky is falling garbage that is constantly reverberating from our illustrious media, based on national polls, which DO NOT include people who do NOT answer calls from unrecognized numbers, from an election that is TWO YEARS AWAY, trying to demoralize and undercut the accomplishments that have been done by the Biden administration.

In fact, there is a poll being pushed by Apple News saying the majority of people do not believe Biden has accomplished anything.

If any of these polls have any validity, it is because of the shallow MSM, and their inadequate reporting.

Funny how this comes out just when there was just a stellar jobs report. In fact, I have observed that whenever there is favorable news regarding the Democratic administration, or the Democrats, the media seems to go out of their way to find as many republicans as they can to push back on it.

F**K ALL THIS S**T and the MSM pushing this crap

.... this energy is out there (mostly ageism) and it would be derelict of us not to accept it. I've talked to a few Biden voters who think he's just too old. And while I suspect they'd still vote for him, it might dampen overall enthusiasm and turnout.
Just being realistic.

There isn't one Democrat who has the popularity to make up for losing incumbency with Biden not running.

Not one.

It would be 2000 and 2016 all over again: two elections the Democrats lost despite having a very popular sitting president. If Biden doesn't run, Trump or DeSantis will be our next president.

Hard to believe how many Democrats are willing to throw away this success and are spitballing candidates who don’t have a chance. It’s like they don’t know how difficult it is for a Democrat to win the presidency with the electoral college. But go ahead don’t nominate Joe, if you want to lose again.

most poll outlets are controlled by Republicans. They love to project doom and gloom of Democrats, the disarray effect. Polling outfits are out of touch, and they have a goal. RWers want full control of the USA any means necessary.

Portray President Biden and VP Harris as un-electable, meanwhile, pump up Republicans no matter how fucked up they are and no matter how dangerous they are to the USA's democracy.

The GOP doesn't want Biden to run for a 2nd term. That's why they are pushing this negative poll which is a worse poll than what it appears on the surface.

Here is what was at the link in fine print:

Results are based on a survey of 462 Democrats conducted Jan. 26-30, 2023. The margin of error is 6.5 percentage points for the full sample, higher for subgroups.

So the poll is worse than just a 4.2 margin of error. Which honestly 4.2 isn't the best poll ever but 6.5+ is even worse. This is how they got their imaginary red wave. And it's all based on 462 Democrats.

Whatever happened to 2 points margin of errors? Those were the days.

If no other candidate could win in 2024, why would any Democrat be able to win in 2028?

Four years to prove what liberal Democrats can do with controlling all the reigns of power in government.

I think 2024 would be too soon for Whitmer, but if the next four years go well in MI, she could be the top candidate for the 2028 nomination.

As much as I’d like to see Dems have a deeper presidential bench for 2024, at this point, it still looks like Biden is best positioned to beat Trump. If DeSantis ends up as the republican nominee, then I think it’s possible another candidate besides Biden could beat him, but at this point, I can’t point to a particular candidate and say they’re the one to beat DeSantis.

If it's DeSantis vs Newsom or Harris and Trump is in jail or on the sidelines, we're in big trouble.

There is very little polling data on a two way race between DeSantis and any identified Dem other than Biden.

DeSantis’ brand of Florida Facism may play well enough in his home state to get him re-elected, but it remains to be seen if he can sell it nationwide, especially in swing states.

We will find out soon enough.

Link to tweet

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designation.

TWO YEARS FROM 2024.

I wonder how many people answer calls from numbers they don't recognize

And f*ck all the "concerns" about his age!

Individuals are very different. How Biden has begun is likely how he will continue for some time.

Plus he has the good sense to choose excellent people around him.

My husband is 91+ and STILL going strong! He is amazing.

I am nearly 80 myself and probably accomplish more in one day than many 50 or 60-year olds do in a week!

Have we slowed down? Yes. But we've both been in pretty fast lanes all along.

And we'll keep chugging along as well as we can.

one of his early supporters. I was initially for Elizabeth Warren, whom I STILL love. She continues to fight the Good Fight.

But Biden has done an excellent job as President, IMO.

I see NO reason NOT to support him in 2024 if he runs.

Polls like this one - and others like it - certainly show how people have NOT been paying attention to his accomplishments.

well be so.

I receive tons of emails requesting $$$ and lots of polls - where one must also send $$$ for the poll to be counted - on a daily basis.

And yes, I get very tired of seeing them. Especially as the New Year has just begun.

I am a life-long Dem and will continue to support Dems. But please, let's have a break from time to time.

I’m not quite 69 and hubby is in his mid-70’s, but we still keep chugging along.

As an aside, I believe Liz should have run in 2016. Was heartbroken she didn’t.

I think Biden is doing great but the stress of running the United States has got to be pretty overwhelming. I wish we had a really qualified charismatic popular and loved by everyone-type younger alternative. I would obviously vote for Liz. If it’s Kamala, I will vote for her but would prefer someone else.

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confuse middle of the road voters. MSM wants to steer the horserace they plan to predict this week, and next week, and so-on. More institutional ageism IMO.

Bogus reasoning presented as logic is not accurate. The press deal in memes and stereotypes too often because they're easily consumed by the mass audience. Hype is just that, empty rhetoric which has the appearance of logic but no substance. It sounds like it's true but is merely truism.


See Also: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217619421

Ridiculous things will be said. Everyone is different health-wise. Biden is in good health. Anyone could be elected and suffer health problems by the way.

One thing to consider - he's SO experienced with the job, the stress, the nut jobs on the other side of the aisle that he's NOT that stressed by the job!!!

Ridin' with Biden

in 3 months tells me the poll has a very big margin of error.

Here, once again, I just don't see the point of sensationalizing such a poll, as if it were straight from Delphi--not 20 months before the election, anyway.

Biden has a list of accomplishments that just about any president would like to boast about at first midterm. His age? YES, ALREADY, his age!!!! Hit me over the head a few more times, would you? There are few spots left unbruised. If anyone wants to unnerve me talking about his age, remind me of who becomes president if he retires a year into his second term while retaining Harris as his VP (which he will). Of course, she would not be a disaster. She's not a moron, after all, and she's had two years to watch Joe Biden up close. But my bet is that she would become another Gerry Ford if she takes the oath of office without being elected. If that happens, when it's time for the next election, we won't get Jimmy Carter. We will get Lester Maddox.

Unless Sanders has forgotten the definition of insanity, he won't be trying to primary a sitting Democratic president.

Do we have a strong bench? Sure. Buttigieg, Swalwell, Schiff, Klobuchar, probably at least as many more. After all the candidates declaring in 2019, there was certainly a wide bench to choose from, most of them even worthy of being taken seriously. Biden won out after polling around 4% at the beginning of 2020. His resumé was more vast than any other, and his detractors had little more than their two-trick pony (AGE!! GAFFES!!). I think his achievements so far should weigh far more than the age-gaffes argument (well, except for on Fox Noise).

I am still thoroughly opposed to seeing anyone as our candidate who, as a Senator, was spineless enough to have publicly encouraged Al Franken to resign based on Republican-manufactured "evidence." This eliminates, for my insignificant two cents, Gillibrand, Booker, Warren, Sanders and Harris. Someone who is presidential material should have had the integrity and the courage to resist jumping on that bandwagon. We have several should we need one. Whether or not we will need someone a year from now, we still have time to sort that out should it look like we'll need to.

In fact that is about all the Republican party does. We should do our best to just ignore it. As Biden said he knows how fucking old he is. Do we trust his judgment or don’t we?

Democrats really feel about Biden.

to spread division among Democrats.

One which has results you like?

who feel the same way were left out of this poll

Perhaps that is why the pollsters were so wrong about the last midterm election

Republicans won about 51.5% of the popular vote and Democrats about 48%. Some analysts overhyped what the meaning of the polls were going to be but the poll numbers themselves were pretty accurate.

"The average poll in the week before election day had Mehmet Oz beating John Fetterman by nearly 1% in Pennsylvania when in reality Fetterman beat Oz by nearly 5%
The average poll had Adam Laxalt beating Catherine Cortez Masto in Nevada by 1.5% when in reality Cortez Masto is projected to win. In fact, not a single poll in the week before election day projected a Cortez Masto victory.
The average poll had Herschel Walker beating Raphael Warnock in Georgia by 1% when in reality Warnock outperformed Walker by 1%; and not a single poll in the week before election day projected a Warnock victory
The average poll had Maggie Hassan beating Don Bolduc in New Hampshire by only 2% when in reality Hassan soundly routed Bolduc by 15%. Two mainstream polls in the week before election day, including the seminal, admired Saint Anselm poll, even predicted Bolduc victories
An updated prediction, published right before election day by the University of Virginia’s Department of Politics, noted that the Senate races in Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, and Pennsylvania remain “jump balls”. However, the nonpartisan election handicapper shifted its rating in Pennsylvania and Georgia to “leans Republican.” And it shifted its rating for four of the six state gubernatorial elections from a “toss-up” to “lean Republican.”
Gallup confidently declared “The political environment for the 2022 midterm elections should work to the benefit of the Republican Party, with all national mood indicators similar to, if not worse than, what they have been in other years when the incumbent party fared poorly in midterms.”
The Cook Political Report with Amy Walter, a nonpartisan handicapping service, moved 10 of its House race ratings in favor of Republicans and adjusted its predictions of GOP gains in the fall upward to between 20 and 35 seats and a sizable Republican majority in the Senate.
The Siena poll found that “independents, especially women, are swinging to the G.O.P. despite Democrats’ focus on abortion rights. …The biggest shift came from women who identified as independent voters. In September, they favored Democrats by 14 points. Now, independent women backed Republicans by 18 points–a striking swing given the polarization of the American electorate and how intensely Democrats have focused on that group and on the threat Republicans pose to abortion rights.”
CNN/Marist shifted to strongly favor a red wave: “The survey shifted seven percentage points toward the Republicans in a month.”

and the misses were even more incorrect when it came the House and Governors races.

https://fortune.com/2022/11/16/pollsters-got-it-wrong-2018-2020-elections-statistical-sophistry-accuracy-sonnenfeld-tian/

They also got the presidential race wrong in 2016.

Emphasis on IF.

That deserves a big "sez who?" There is a huge propaganda push underway trying to convince a lot of people that chocolate tastes like shit. Not just in the USA. I was talking to a German friend today who is originally from Saxony, and is used to getting lied to by his former socialist masters. And yet, he asked me about how awful a time I had when I was back in the USA in December-January. He was actually surprised when I told him that the flights were full, the restaurants were full, the shops were full, and the only people I saw wearing guns were cops and TSA at airports. I was in South Carolina, Washington (DC), Florida, New York, and Texas. I asked him where he got his information from, that the USA had turned into such a basket case since last summer? He named me a couple of websites (surprise) that could have been written by a German Breitbart of Bannon. I told him to get off it and find himself some other sources. He said that, based upon what I said, that yes, he needed to broaden his perspective.

Always consider your source for what news you hear, friendly or hostile. If there's an agenda behind it, beware. Remember the proverbial cardiologists's dietary advice: "If it tastes good, spit it out!"

The Washington Post and ABC (one of the most reliable polls we have) is engaged in a "propaganda push"?

Nearly sixty years ago, TW3 was already mocking how forming the question can already influence the answer. They showed how a door-to-door poller got an overwhelming majority for William Scranton for President simply by wording his questions.

For example, "are you at all concerned about this?" will elicit a different answer from "just how much does this concern you?"
Any poll other than "yes or no?" will necessarily be composed by someone, no how objective they are trying to be. The rest, i.e. timing, wording, sampling size and breadth, will necessarily influence the results, no matter how objective the one(s) doing the polling attempt to be.

It just is. This is pure common sense. Doesn't matter how much you like someone, or how well he or she seems to be doing TODAY health-wise. I'm sure there are plenty of energetic and sharp 84 year olds, even energetic and sharp 95 year olds, but there comes a time to admit the limitations that come with age--especially in a role that is all about the FUTURE direction of the nation. John McCain was considered by many to be too old in his early 70's to be President, that was just 14 years ago. Becoming President in your late 70's, you're really looking at one term. Choosing one term and then passing the baton is not a failure by any means.

To reflect the higher MOE and smaller sample size of Democrats in the poll. As others have pointed out, only 462 Democrats were polled, giving a +/-6.5% (that’s a total possible 13% range between “run” and “don’t run”).

Yes, it’s newsworthy, but the whole story should be told.

Pushed by the msm and the gqp

The best way to lose the WH is to literally shit on an incredibly successful incumbent!!

Treat this as white noise; it is lazy reporting. Nothing to see here.

Ridin with Biden!

I and my whole family LOVE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN!!!

more interested in hanging on to their tax breaks.

Over a babbling idiot like Trump, an Alzheimer ridden actor like Reagan, a true dummy in Bush II or a demon narcissist like DeSantis. Don't believe this poll for one minute. The propaganda press is in full anti-Biden mode because they fear him. He and his administration have resurrected this nation from a pandemic nightmare and have effectively revitalized the economy while addressing the needs of the majority. Nothing more scary to a GOP that is conspiracy driven and beholden to the 1%. Greed and fear are their tools and unfortunately they are very skilled craftsman at cultivating these despicable characteristics. I hope truth wins this time over deception and their lies.

for President Biden than anything I have ever seen.

Thanks for posting this!

I'm trying to find it. I believe it was posted on DU in the last week.

but can't find it. Hmm

I'm almost certain he is the only one that could have pulled off the decisive win against Trump.

But now he looks so weary. He's doing a good job but is criticized intensely every step of the way. I am hoping he is saying now that he will run again just to avoid a lame-duck attitude, and that he will announce his retirement at the right moment.

It appears to be another republiCon hit piece against Biden. Well I'm a democrat and they never asked me. Four more years!!