Sun Jan 22, 2023, 05:05 AM
C0RI0LANUS (500 posts)
Activists call for US apology for Marshall Islands nuclear tests
Source: Radio New Zealand
Over one-hundred activist groups, including Greenpeace, Veterans for Peace, and the Arms Control Association have signed a letter, calling on Pres Biden to apologize for nuclear tests conducted in the Marshall Islands. Between 1946 and 1958, 23 nuclear tests were carried out on Bikini Atoll and 44 near Enewetak Atoll. Read more: https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/482919/activists-call-for-us-apology-for-marshall-islands-nuclear-tests The nuclear testing has led to serious illnesses over time such as radiation poisoning, elevated cancer rates, birth defects, and the contamination of food and water sources continues to this day.
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C0RI0LANUS | Jan 22 | OP |
Bootlace | Jan 22 | #1 | |
Algernon Moncrieff | Jan 22 | #14 | |
Lasher | Jan 22 | #2 | |
C0RI0LANUS | Jan 22 | #3 | |
cstanleytech | Jan 22 | #16 | |
twodogsbarking | Jan 22 | #4 | |
C0RI0LANUS | Jan 22 | #5 | |
twodogsbarking | Jan 22 | #13 | |
womanofthehills | Jan 22 | #6 | |
C0RI0LANUS | Jan 22 | #8 | |
Jedi Guy | Jan 22 | #17 | |
WhiteTara | Jan 22 | #7 | |
C0RI0LANUS | Jan 22 | #9 | |
WhiteTara | Jan 22 | #10 | |
Jim__ | Jan 22 | #11 | |
WhiteTara | Jan 22 | #12 | |
pecosbob | Jan 22 | #15 | |
Rhiannon12866 | Jan 23 | #18 |
Response to C0RI0LANUS (Original post)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 06:39 AM
Bootlace (38 posts)
1. What is an apology going to do?
It isn't going to cure the cancer or birth defects. An apology doesn't make it all better, an apology isn't going to put chernobyl back together.
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Response to Bootlace (Reply #1)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 05:16 PM
Algernon Moncrieff (5,702 posts)
14. Exactly. It will do nothing.
No one in government today had anything to do with those tests.
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Response to C0RI0LANUS (Original post)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 07:03 AM
Lasher (25,652 posts)
2. Maybe that would lead to more compensation and reparations
Just guessing, I really don't know.
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Response to Lasher (Reply #2)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 07:12 AM
C0RI0LANUS (500 posts)
3. Seeking reparations and leverage.
Perhaps the Marshall Islands leadership is taking advantage of the strategic competition between the US and China.
https://apnews.com/article/china-new-zealand-environment-pacific-ocean-marshall-islands-ec40aeea0cd5da4a17d6f3012e5874ff https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3038082/marshall-islands-may-be-focus-us-china-competition-elections |
Response to C0RI0LANUS (Reply #3)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 07:31 PM
cstanleytech (24,565 posts)
16. Well if there is anyone on those Islands that think China will be better then they are delusional.
Response to C0RI0LANUS (Original post)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:48 AM
twodogsbarking (5,672 posts)
4. From 1951 until 1963, 100 nuclear weapons were detonated above ground at the Nevada Test Site,
sending radioactive material high into the atmosphere that fell on unsuspecting Americans downwind in Nevada, Arizona and Utah.
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Response to twodogsbarking (Reply #4)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 11:15 AM
C0RI0LANUS (500 posts)
5. Those nuclear tests at the Nevada Test Site
eventually gave birth to the film "The Amazing Colossal Man" (1957), the story of a US Army officer inadvertently exposed to test fall-out-- then mutating into a Goliath.
Stan Lee must have watched that movie and read about those tests. In May 1962, his Marvel Comics debuted "The Incredible Hulk," about a scientist who is also accidentally exposed to test fall out-- then mutating into a powerful brute. |
Response to C0RI0LANUS (Reply #5)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 01:29 PM
twodogsbarking (5,672 posts)
13. Watched that movie a few times as a child. B&W
Response to C0RI0LANUS (Original post)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 11:32 AM
womanofthehills (7,036 posts)
6. I live 50 miles north of the Trinity site
There is still plutonium on the Chupadera mesa. Ranchers who lived miles from test site were not evacuated or warned of the test.
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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #6)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 12:17 PM
C0RI0LANUS (500 posts)
8. That's awful. Did the USG make amends in anyway?
Or did the USG hush it up and ignore the problems it caused? I hope you and your family weren't affected by any of the radioactive residue.
And why the USG wouldn't warn and evacuate the ranchers or their cattle is mind-boggling and disturbing. |
Response to womanofthehills (Reply #6)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 08:37 PM
Jedi Guy (2,748 posts)
17. The situation with the ranchers is unconscionable on a number of levels.
There was speculation that the Trinity explosion might ignite the Earth's atmosphere. And this wasn't some wild-eyed speculation from a crackpot. Edward Teller himself was the one who raised it as a possibility. They conducted a study, concluded that it "wasn't likely," and proceeded anyway.
If they thought the test detonation was potentially that dangerous, one would think the responsible thing to do would have been to evacuate the nearby ranchers. No doubt they didn't do that because of concerns about the project's existence becoming known, due to the secrecy surrounding the Manhattan Project. Even so, I'd think they could have come up with some pretext. They just didn't bother. |
Response to C0RI0LANUS (Original post)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 12:10 PM
WhiteTara (27,900 posts)
7. My father was in the Army during that time
and was stationed in Europe. One day he was told to come with "them" and he was on a boat and watched an island blown up. He was so shaken by the event we started going to church.
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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #7)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 12:18 PM
C0RI0LANUS (500 posts)
9. Wow. The nuclear test was in Europe, WhiteTara?
Response to C0RI0LANUS (Reply #9)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 12:38 PM
WhiteTara (27,900 posts)
10. Sorry, No
It was in the Marshall Islands. My father was gone quite a lot while we were stationed there. I don't remember how long he was gone.
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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #7)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 12:49 PM
Jim__ (13,658 posts)
11. Do you know why they were there watching?
My suspicion is that they were lab rats. The army wanted to see the effects of radiation on people at various distances from a nuclear explosion.
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Response to Jim__ (Reply #11)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 12:51 PM
WhiteTara (27,900 posts)
12. He was on a boat some distance
he never exhibited radiation sickness in any way. But that may have been part of an experiment also.
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Response to C0RI0LANUS (Original post)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 05:46 PM
pecosbob (6,892 posts)
15. This is necessary, just as removing Condederate memorials is necessary.
Response to pecosbob (Reply #15)
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 06:32 AM
Rhiannon12866 (172,168 posts)
18. I agree. And though this president wasn't responsible, we know that he'll want to do the right thing
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