Georgia man arrested for shooting boy campaigning for Sen. Warnock

[brooklynite]

Source: CNBC

A Georgia man was arrested for allegedly shooting a 15-year-old boy who was at his front door campaigning for Sen. Raphael Warnock in his runoff election with Republican challenger Herschel Walker.

"At this point, there is no indication the shooting was politically motivated," Savannah Police said in a statement.

Thursday's shooting of the boy, who suffered non-life-threatening injuries to his leg, came five days before the runoff between the Democratic incumbent Warnock and the former football star Walker. Neither candidate received more than 50% of the vote in last month's election.

Police said they responded to a Savannah residence at about 5:35 p.m. ET Thursday after receiving a report of gunfire. Officers found the 15-year-old boy, who had been shot in his leg.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/02/georgia-election-runoff-man-shot-warnock-election-worker.html

[louis-t]

1. May not have been politically motivated.

What color was the kid?

[intheflow]

3. Great minds! (See my post below.) n/t

[Journeyman]

6. Article mentions possible PTSD. He shot the kid through a closed door, as well . . .

Probably a hell of a lot more going on with this man than politics and race.

[intheflow]

2. Hmmm. No word on the color of the victim.

Because if it's not political, it's something.

[Journeyman]

7. Article mentions possible PTSD. He shot the kid through a closed door, as well . . .

Probably a hell of a lot more going on with this man than politics and race.

[ZonkerHarris]

13. you have said that 3 times now.

[Journeyman]

14. Yes, because others have repeated their speculation multiple times as well . . .

just encouraging people to read articles before commenting on excerpts.

[Genki Hikari]

22. And you keep repeating your ill-informed take

Even though it's based on excerpts as well.

PTSD is not an excuse to go shooting people. Plenty of people on this board have PTSD. Some from being victims of crimes/abuse. Some from being in war or working in, say, urban medical triage.

All of us out there who fall into that category: Raise your hand for how many times you've shot someone through a door.

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I doubt that you'll get many raised hands.

[Journeyman]

23. And yet, everything I wrote is taken from the article . . .

and do you deny the reality that some people with PTSD commit acts outside the parameters of normal behavior?

[Martin68]

27. Journeyman, I agree with you 100%. You are pointing out that the posters are ignoring powerful

evidence that politics and race are probably not factors. If he shot the kid "through the door" he may have never seen or talked to him, and was reacting to knocking on the door. Let's not make knee-jerk reactions before all the information is in.

[Journeyman]

4. Shot him through a closed door . . .

probably a hell of a lot more going on with this man than politics and race. The article mentions possible PTSD from service in Iraq.

[NullTuples]

9. Who in their right mind would ruin their own (or rented) door by shooting through it?

[BWdem4life]

16. Pretty sure he was not in his right mind. nt

[Martin68]

28. Having PTSD means you are not "in your right mind." You react uncontrollably to stimuli because of

overwhelming fear.

[NullTuples]

38. PTSD, I can understand. I didn't know he had it, but that at least makes sense. Thank you.

[Warpy]

32. I knew somebody who did routinely

He was a paranoid drug addict and one of my friends was in twoo wuv, go figure. So when I wanted to see her, I'd crouch in the hall and kind of reach up and around to knock on the door, telling them who I was. I never got shot at, but precautions were sensible, the door was full of bullet holes. So yeah, it happens.

This guy should have had a note on his door suggesting them, if his VA shrink hadn't been smart enough to put him on the "no gun" list. I have a strong suspicion he's going to be an inpatient now, probably for quite some time, I also hope they can keep guns away from him when he gets out.

[LisaL]

35. Nobody thought to remove that guy's guns?

I don't think one is legally allowed to shoot through the door when he feels like it.

[moriah]

17. PTSD hasn't caused ME to shoot anyone.

And in the days after my assault, I did have a Kimber Ultra Aegis II.

I wasn't sleeping, afraid my rapist would show up at my door intoxicated and upset that I went to the police. I even knew where I was going to stand with it, should he break my door down or knock my windows out before police arrived.

I still knew that I would have to wait until he had actually broken IN to my home before I could fire.

There are plenty of people with PTSD, and if that makes people randomly shoot at random people through doors, we'd have many more shootings than we do.

[Lefta Dissenter]

37. Here's a hug for you, moriah.

[moriah]

39. Thank you. ((Hugs)) back.

Sorry to have trauma-dumped, but that is the worst thing it does do me, besides night terrors and random jolts of adrenaline.

I do still jump a little when my roommate knocks on my door or the door to the back porch. He stays out of view while he knocks, more because my startle response bothers HIM. It doesn't bother me anymore, but it can scare the crap out of others.

There was one instance when I was "the roommate" a few years back in a different house -- my door didn't lock or really even latch. I was sleeping next to my phone when he got home from a night shift, and had chosen a siren for my alarm. It was going off in my ear and I wasn't waking up. He approached the door, stood in the doorway, and cleared his throat.

I had what I called a "fainting sheep" episode, because adrenaline made me fully sit up so fast it started HIM, then fell back when the adrenaline rush left. I laugh about that stuff now.

I still haven't shot anybody..

[Genki Hikari]

21. I have had PTSD since I was quite young

From growing up with seriously disordered parents (one an outright violent psychopath; the other, a textbook narcissist who never misses an opportunity to verbally abuse me), not to mention nearly drowning three times, being gang-raped and being stalked by a lunatic.

Despite that, I've been a gun owner at various times over my lifetime. Yet I've never shot anyone, through a door or not.

Stop excusing this trash, and accept the far--FAR--more likely probability that he's a violent scumbag.

[Journeyman]

24. I have commented on facts stated in the article, information which came . . .

either from the police or the journalist researching the event.

You keep repeating that everyone's response to life must be the same as yours.

[4Q2u2]

30. PTSD

Primarily manifested in self harm. The old trope of crazy combat veteran is Hollywood bullshit.
If he had anger, or violence issues, they were there before he joined up. Stop giving him cover for an indefensible act.

[Martin68]

29. PTSD takes many forms depending on the trauma that caused it. If, for example, he served in a war

zone.

[peppertree]

5. A radicalized Latin American right-winger - not unlike Little Narco or Cancun Cruz

Repugs have been cultivating them - and importing their (sometimes violent) tactics - for years.

[SoCalDavidS]

8. He Looks Nice nt

[RKP5637]

12. Yeah, and also has a very friendly smile!

[IronLionZion]

10. Shooters are never political

But it sounds like Jimmy Paiz is claiming PTSD from his Marine Corps service and that he's a Latino.

They won't say much about the kid since he's a minor.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. The face of Perpetual Outrage. . . nt

[Kennah]

15. Race or Politics. Take your pick.

[Cha]

18. I'm so glad the kid will be

okay.. poor thing.

GD guns!!

[mn9driver]

19. This is Jimmy Paiz.

He is a retired marine with 3 tours in Iraq. And yeah, his PTSD is well documented. This is from his website:

I’m Jimmy Arturo Paiz, an Honduran-American writer and maker living in Savannah, GA., although, originally from Metro, DC. — a beltway kid. I write prose poetically about the human condition, that is, existential ruminations about our species’ denial of its animal self, amongst other oddities and interests. Also, I art.

https://jimmyarturopaiz.com/about/

[LisaL]

20. And of course he had a gun.

Because, why wouldn't he?

[JustAnotherGen]

33. Why did he have a gun

My husband has severe PTSD from his time in the Italian Special Forces -

We have a Maltese.

[moniss]

25. Probably upset

that the kid made him distracted from his Fox News viewing.

[TigressDem]

26. So does he routinely shoot at the mailman too? nt

[Withywindle]

41. Girl Scouts selling cookies watch out nt

[70sEraVet]

31. For now, lets just be glad the kid wasn't killed or permanently maimed.

We can argue the merits of a PTSD defense at a later date.

[LisaL]

34. We don't know if the kid isn't permanently maimed.

NT

[70sEraVet]

36. You're right. I looked through all the news items I could find, and only see 'non life threatening'

[The Grand Illuminist]

42. As stated, we citizen/voters are next.

And we'll keep seeing this until we either be too afraid to vote or we go on the offensive back at them.

[Sancho]

43. People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[ck4829]

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