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BumRushDaShow

(128,515 posts)
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 03:32 PM Dec 2022

Senate reaches deal to vote on legislation to avert rail shutdown

Source: CNN Politics

CNN — Democrats and Republicans have locked in a deal to vote on rail legislation to avert a damaging shutdown with votes starting “very soon,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer announced on the Senate floor Thursday. Pressure has been mounting on Senate leaders to clear legislation for President Joe Biden’s signature to avert a rail shutdown amid concerns over the economic danger posed by a strike.

The House passed the tentative rail agreement on Wednesday. Leaders have been racing to see if they can reach a deal to pass the legislation Thursday – a tough task since they would need all 100 senators to agree to schedule that vote and any one senator can object and drag out the process. Senate GOP Whip John Thune was hopeful a deal would be reached Thursday, and explained some further details about the current hang-ups, which include at what threshold to set the amendment votes: a simple majority or 60.

The two amendment votes that are expected include Sen. Bernie Sanders’ amendment on adding paid sick leave for rail workers and GOP Sen. Dan Sullivan’s amendment for a 60-day extension for the unions and rail to continue negotiating. Without congressional action, a rail strike could become a reality as early as December 9, causing shortages, spiking prices and halting factory production.

It could also disrupt commuter rail services for up to seven million travelers a day and the transportation of 6,300 carloads of food and farm products a day, among other items, according to a collection of business groups. One potential complication in the effort to pass a bill is a push by progressives to add a provision to the agreement to increase paid sick leave. In a separate vote on Wednesday, the House voted to add the provision to the rail that would increase the number of paid sick days from one to seven.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/senate-rail-vote/index.html

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Senate reaches deal to vote on legislation to avert rail shutdown (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 OP
An extension to negotiations is pointless. The rails are making record profits and won't share with onecaliberal Dec 2022 #1
how do we take them down without fucking up the economy? LymphocyteLover Dec 2022 #19
Imagine that - a government that actually works peppertree Dec 2022 #2
They're voting now! mobeau69 Dec 2022 #3
Sick Leave- GOP says NO VOTE! James48 Dec 2022 #4
The sick leave should have been part of the main bill. former9thward Dec 2022 #6
Exactly DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 2022 #10
No, Republicans in the Senate would True Blue American Dec 2022 #32
If they can in get it through without the sick leave wnylib Dec 2022 #7
No to sick days True Blue American Dec 2022 #5
I heard on NPR that it passed without the sick leave. wnylib Dec 2022 #8
We could have avoided this by not separating out the sick leave into a different bill DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 2022 #9
"We could have avoided this by not separating out the sick leave into a different bill" BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #24
You are right. It was the GOP Senate that voted no. True Blue American Dec 2022 #28
I did finally hear a radio news report this morning that gave a few more details BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #33
I also Rebl2 Dec 2022 #11
Last night I heard an interview with a rail worker wnylib Dec 2022 #20
Postal workers Rebl2 Dec 2022 #27
Not just Postal Workers - every federal worker BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #34
True Rebl2 Dec 2022 #35
So the US government will FORCE Americans to keep working without sick time? NickB79 Dec 2022 #12
Sadly i do not agree with how this was accomplished. bluestarone Dec 2022 #13
Remember this -- ? BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #14
Oh i agree, BUT i just wished they would have attempted a different approach. bluestarone Dec 2022 #15
I believe what happened in the House BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #17
I do see your point. bluestarone Dec 2022 #18
Based on the roll calls of both the House and Senate BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #22
I really CAN NOT argue that point. bluestarone Dec 2022 #23
Better than what Reagan did! True Blue American Dec 2022 #29
I'm a little confused, Senate voting on this twice today? KS Toronado Dec 2022 #16
There were 2 changes, including 1 amendment, submitted to add to the main bill BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #21
I would have voted against a KS Toronado Dec 2022 #25
Well based on that vote tally BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #26
The Sullivan bill went down.even Murkowski voted no. True Blue American Dec 2022 #31
I watched the Senate vote. It was 53 no, 43 yes True Blue American Dec 2022 #30

onecaliberal

(32,782 posts)
1. An extension to negotiations is pointless. The rails are making record profits and won't share with
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 03:33 PM
Dec 2022

the surfs who do the work. It's NOT okay. These greedy pricks need to be taken down.

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
2. Imagine that - a government that actually works
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 03:35 PM
Dec 2022

If it were up to Cheeto and Bitchy Mitchy, they'd push them into striking - and then send in troops to mow them down.

That's what Franco and Pinochet used to do.

James48

(4,427 posts)
4. Sick Leave- GOP says NO VOTE!
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 04:03 PM
Dec 2022

“… and explained some further details about the current hang-ups, which include at what threshold to set the amendment votes: a simple majority or 60.”


Exactly.

Republicans want to vote to force workers to work without sickleave. Dems want to vote on the second Sick Leave part. The GOP is demanding 60 votes to bring up sick leave, and aren’t going to let a vote be held on it.


God they are sick fucks.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,915 posts)
10. Exactly
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:03 PM
Dec 2022

This was doomed to go this way as soon as the House passed separate bills. They should have combined them and forced the gop to either pass it all or risk a strike that would hurt their big business allies.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
7. If they can in get it through without the sick leave
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 05:36 PM
Dec 2022

then Biden looks like the bad guy for forcing rail workers to accept a bad deal. If he doesn't sign it because of a lack of sick leave, then the economic consequences are bad for everyone, and therefore, they hurt Biden.

I heard a union member say in an interview that sick leave is a deal breaker for them. If they don't get it, they will strike anyway.

So this is Republican strategy to hurt Biden and they don't give a damn how many other people are hurt in the process.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
8. I heard on NPR that it passed without the sick leave.
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 05:41 PM
Dec 2022

Last edited Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:10 PM - Edit history (1)

This means that rail workers are likely to strike anyway.

And unions will feel betrayed by Biden.

This is Republican strategy to hurt Biden, unions, and as many people as possible just to make Biden and Dems look bad. Expect much more of this shit for the next two years.

Dem messaging has to get on top of this RIGHT AWAY.



DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,915 posts)
9. We could have avoided this by not separating out the sick leave into a different bill
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:01 PM
Dec 2022

But for whatever reason, the House didn't do that.

BumRushDaShow

(128,515 posts)
24. "We could have avoided this by not separating out the sick leave into a different bill"
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:41 PM
Dec 2022

No we wouldn't. The GOP have made clear that they do not support worker's rights, let alone what should be a right - sick leave - and the vote that the House did as a standalone (with the number of Republicans who voted against the 7 days) gave you an idea of how it would have gone in the Senate, which would be nowhere. The bill would have failed to even proceed (would not have gotten cloture to begin debate). IOW, DOA.

They were going to try to do a maneuver to add it as an amendment but like cloture, they had enacted a Rule that amendments would need 60 votes to be included on the main bill and both that were submitted, including one from Dan Sullivan (R-AK) to extend the current contract 60 days for further negotiations, also failed.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
28. You are right. It was the GOP Senate that voted no.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:08 AM
Dec 2022

But I was able to scan the contract. After years of reading contracts they are not doing badly.
24% raise spread over 5 years. My whole family were railroaders starting with my Grandffather. Henry Ford hired him back when he bought the DT&I to haul his cars. He was laid off, had another job, was tired of the lay offs. But it is hard work.

BumRushDaShow

(128,515 posts)
33. I did finally hear a radio news report this morning that gave a few more details
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:07 AM
Dec 2022

and that also included a union remark that blamed "the 43 elected officials" who didn't vote for the sick leave provision (i.e., the 42 Republicans and one Democrat - Manchin - in the Senate) - https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00371.htm

The provision that would have been added "as a correction" to the main bill (which was that 2nd bill from the House) -

H.Con.Res.119 - Providing for a correction in the enrollment of H.J. Res. 100.

Engrossed in House (11/30/2022)


117th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. CON. RES. 119
CONCURRENT RESOLUTION


Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That, in the enrollment of the joint resolution H.J. Res. 100, the Clerk of the House of Representatives shall make the following corrections:

(1) Amend section 1—

(A) by redesignating subsection (b) as subsection (c); and

(B) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:


“(b) Paid sick leave.—

“(1) IN GENERAL.—Any tentative agreements, side letters, or local carrier agreements entered into by the parties and ratified before the date of enactment of this joint resolution and the tentative agreements, side letters, and local carrier agreements made binding by subsection (a) shall, beginning 60 days after the date of enactment of this joint resolution, provide—

“(A) for 7 days of paid sick leave annually, except that nothing in this subparagraph shall supersede any existing labor agreement between such parties that provides for more than 7 days of paid sick leave annually; and

“(B) that the use of any 7 days of paid sick leave annually, regardless of whether such days are provided under a tentative agreement, side letter, or local carrier agreement or under an existing labor agreement described in subparagraph (A), will not result in any points, demerits, or disciplinary citations under any party's attendance policy.


“(2) EFFECT.—The modification referenced in paragraph (1) shall each have the same effect as though arrived at by agreement of such parties under the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.).”.

(2) Redesignate section 2 as section 3.

(3) After section 1, insert the following:

“SEC. 2. Negotiations and arbitration.

“(a) Negotiations.—The parties to the disputes subject to Presidential Emergency Board No. 250, established pursuant to Executive Order 14077 of July 15, 2022, shall negotiate the implementation of the 7 days of paid sick leave imposed on such parties by section 1(b).

“(b) Binding arbitration.—If, after 30 days after the date of enactment of this joint resolution, the parties are not able to reach agreement on the matter described in subsection (a), such parties shall enter into binding arbitration on such matter to provide for a final resolution of such unresolved matter.

“(c) Arbitration.—The arbitration described in subsection (b) shall be conducted pursuant to the provisions of section 7 of the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 157), and any award shall be enforceable under section 9 of the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 159), except that, in the public interest, compensation and expenses of the arbitrators shall be borne equally by the parties.

“(d) Deadline.—Not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this joint resolution, any binding arbitration proceeding entered into pursuant to subsection (b) shall be completed, including issuance of any award by the arbitration board.”.

Passed the House of Representatives November 30, 2022.
Attest:


NAYs ---43

Barrasso (R-WY)
Blackburn (R-TN)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Capito (R-WV)
Cassidy (R-LA)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Cotton (R-AR)
Cramer (R-ND)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daines (R-MT)
Ernst (R-IA)
Fischer (R-NE)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagerty (R-TN)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (R-WI)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
Lummis (R-WY)
Manchin (D-WV)
Marshall (R-KS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Romney (R-UT)
Rounds (R-SD)
Sasse (R-NE)
Scott (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Shelby (R-AL)
Sullivan (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Tillis (R-NC)
Toomey (R-PA)
Tuberville (R-AL)
Wicker (R-MS)
Young (R-IN)


The irony (and this was mentioned on one of the MSNBC shows last night - I think Alex Wagner's? ) was that jackasses like Cruz and Hawley who normally vote "no" for everything Democrats offer (even if it is something they normally support and in this case their claiming to be "for workers" ), actually voted FOR the 7 days of sick leave addendum. I expect after all the hypocritical votes that they normally do, they had the cover of this not reaching 60 votes to pass anyway, so they could point to some kind of heroic effort that they made with their "yea" vote.

The new contract as it stands (and I believe 8 of the 12 had ratified it) is a gigantic step forward in terms of pay and benefits and I think it also brought to the fore, the issue of paid sick leave for not only the rail industry, but so many others. I think I saw a stat that about 1/3rd of the U.S. workforce, estimated at about 33 million, have no guaranteed sick leave and that is something that really needs to be codified in labor law at the federal level (perhaps with a sliding scale based on number of employees and/or how the time is allocated - whether it is by hours or by "periods", etc. ).

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
20. Last night I heard an interview with a rail worker
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:13 PM
Dec 2022

who said that the sick leave is a deal breaker or maker for them. He said that they will strike if there is no sick leave, even though the strike would be illegal.


NickB79

(19,224 posts)
12. So the US government will FORCE Americans to keep working without sick time?
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:18 PM
Dec 2022

How is this a win again?

I'm honestly hoping for a strike at this point, the more I read of this.

BumRushDaShow

(128,515 posts)
14. Remember this -- ?
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:38 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/05/reagan-fires-11-000-striking-air-traffic-controllers-aug-5-1981-241252

Federal workers, including those in unions, are forbidden by law from striking (I am a retired fed).

Just over 40 years ago, PATCO called for the ATCs to strike and they were fired. It took 20-some years to get the staffing halfway back to what it was before the strike.

Much has been written about that period and the labor movement in general but many unions are all over the damn place when it comes to supporting purely anti-union elected officials - i.e., the GOP ones. Those GOPers did get a little taste of their own medicine a few years ago under 45 though - https://prospect.org/power/air-traffic-controllers-even-score/

Until we get rid of the filibuster in the Senate, little can be done and at this point, since we narrowly lost the House, unless we somehow get that back, we're in this deadlock situation for the next 2 years.

bluestarone

(16,870 posts)
15. Oh i agree, BUT i just wished they would have attempted a different approach.
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:45 PM
Dec 2022

Why in the hell send two bills to the Senate. the one that passed with sick days should have been the only one sent to the Senate. I guess what i'm saying is, at least try it first. ( I do understand the predicament Joe is in) but it just looks bad. I'd would support a union slow down.




BumRushDaShow

(128,515 posts)
17. I believe what happened in the House
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:54 PM
Dec 2022

was that the large House Congressional Progressive Caucus threatened to torpedo the main bill unless more sick time was added (I think the main bill had 1 day). The "compromise" to at least move something quickly, was to add the 2nd bill to be voted for separately that had 7 days of sick leave, and that would also serve as a "test vote" to gauge GOP support. It was found there would be nearly none for that measure. So they forwarded both to the Senate to see what could have been done. The 60 vote threshold was enabled on the 2nd bill which would be submitted as an amendment to the main one (apparently any amendment had to meet that test per their Rules for this legislation), effectively killing it.

bluestarone

(16,870 posts)
18. I do see your point.
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:01 PM
Dec 2022

I'm just kinda upset that i have to swallow the fact that Joe has to sign a bill, forcing union workers to work. Gives unions a reason to be upset at Democrats. (which we do not need) going into 2024.

BumRushDaShow

(128,515 posts)
22. Based on the roll calls of both the House and Senate
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:20 PM
Dec 2022
they need to be mad at the GOP NOT Democrats, for voting AGAINST sick leave (and we need to emphasize that).

IOW, the OP title that you see here applies - https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016338256

More Than 200 Republicans Voted Against Paid Sick Days for Railroad Workers

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
29. Better than what Reagan did!
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:12 AM
Dec 2022

Firing them all.

Have any of you read the contract? You can read what they already have. And before you go off at me I still pay Union dues voluntarily! They have treated me right.

KS Toronado

(17,155 posts)
16. I'm a little confused, Senate voting on this twice today?
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:46 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/117-2022/s370

This was a vote to approve or reject an amendment to H.J.Res. 100 in the Senate.

Totals All Votes Republicans Democrats Independents
Yea.....25.........25.............0.............0
Nay.....70.........22.............46............2
Not voting 5......3..............2


Pretty sure this is the 7 day paid sick leave bill that was voted on Dec 1, 2022 at 2:15 p.m. ET.
Why were all Democrats a Nay vote? They want something added so they have to reject this one first?

BumRushDaShow

(128,515 posts)
21. There were 2 changes, including 1 amendment, submitted to add to the main bill
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:14 PM
Dec 2022

one (supported by Bernie Sanders) which would have been that 2nd bill from the House for the 7 days of sick leave to add "as a correction" to the main bill, and one from Dan Sullivan (R-AK) to have a 60-day extension of the existing contracts for further negotiations, that would have become an amendment.

The Sullivan Amendment was the one with the roll call that you show and that is also seen here - https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00370.htm

That is the one that many Democrats voted against.

The "correction" bill also failed but by not gaining 60 votes to be included in the main bill - https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00371.htm

Once those 2 provisions failed, they voted on the unaltered House bill and passed it.

So hopefully that makes sense.

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KS Toronado

(17,155 posts)
25. I would have voted against a
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:44 PM
Dec 2022

" 60-day extension of the existing contracts for further negotiations,", that's just kicking the can
down the road so you can kick it again, makes sense we all voted against that one.

BumRushDaShow

(128,515 posts)
26. Well based on that vote tally
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:54 PM
Dec 2022

it seems that some from the Insurrection Caucus voted for it - https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00370.htm

YEAs ---25

Blackburn (R-TN)
Braun (R-IN)
Capito (R-WV)
Collins (R-ME)
Cotton (R-AR)
Cruz (R-TX)
Daines (R-MT)
Ernst (R-IA)
Graham (R-SC)
Hagerty (R-TN)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kennedy (R-LA)
Lee (R-UT)
Paul (R-KY)
Rounds (R-SD)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Shelby (R-AL)
Sullivan (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Tuberville (R-AL)

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
31. The Sullivan bill went down.even Murkowski voted no.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:18 AM
Dec 2022

I am pretty sure Nancy made the separate bill because she knew Republicans would vote nom but would approve the main bill.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
30. I watched the Senate vote. It was 53 no, 43 yes
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:14 AM
Dec 2022

On the sick days. 60 required.

80 yes, 15 no on the full bill.

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