Senate reaches deal to vote on legislation to avert rail shutdown
Source: CNN Politics
CNN Democrats and Republicans have locked in a deal to vote on rail legislation to avert a damaging shutdown with votes starting very soon, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer announced on the Senate floor Thursday. Pressure has been mounting on Senate leaders to clear legislation for President Joe Bidens signature to avert a rail shutdown amid concerns over the economic danger posed by a strike.
The House passed the tentative rail agreement on Wednesday. Leaders have been racing to see if they can reach a deal to pass the legislation Thursday a tough task since they would need all 100 senators to agree to schedule that vote and any one senator can object and drag out the process. Senate GOP Whip John Thune was hopeful a deal would be reached Thursday, and explained some further details about the current hang-ups, which include at what threshold to set the amendment votes: a simple majority or 60.
The two amendment votes that are expected include Sen. Bernie Sanders amendment on adding paid sick leave for rail workers and GOP Sen. Dan Sullivans amendment for a 60-day extension for the unions and rail to continue negotiating. Without congressional action, a rail strike could become a reality as early as December 9, causing shortages, spiking prices and halting factory production.
It could also disrupt commuter rail services for up to seven million travelers a day and the transportation of 6,300 carloads of food and farm products a day, among other items, according to a collection of business groups. One potential complication in the effort to pass a bill is a push by progressives to add a provision to the agreement to increase paid sick leave. In a separate vote on Wednesday, the House voted to add the provision to the rail that would increase the number of paid sick days from one to seven.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/senate-rail-vote/index.html
onecaliberal
(32,782 posts)the surfs who do the work. It's NOT okay. These greedy pricks need to be taken down.
LymphocyteLover
(5,638 posts)peppertree
(21,604 posts)If it were up to Cheeto and Bitchy Mitchy, they'd push them into striking - and then send in troops to mow them down.
That's what Franco and Pinochet used to do.
mobeau69
(11,133 posts)James48
(4,427 posts)
and explained some further details about the current hang-ups, which include at what threshold to set the amendment votes: a simple majority or 60.
Exactly.
Republicans want to vote to force workers to work without sickleave. Dems want to vote on the second Sick Leave part. The GOP is demanding 60 votes to bring up sick leave, and arent going to let a vote be held on it.
God they are sick fucks.
former9thward
(31,941 posts)Separate bills guaranteed its failure.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,915 posts)This was doomed to go this way as soon as the House passed separate bills. They should have combined them and forced the gop to either pass it all or risk a strike that would hurt their big business allies.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Have rejected the whole bill.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)then Biden looks like the bad guy for forcing rail workers to accept a bad deal. If he doesn't sign it because of a lack of sick leave, then the economic consequences are bad for everyone, and therefore, they hurt Biden.
I heard a union member say in an interview that sick leave is a deal breaker for them. If they don't get it, they will strike anyway.
So this is Republican strategy to hurt Biden and they don't give a damn how many other people are hurt in the process.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Now on main bill , 70 yes, 12 no, still voting but the bill passed.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:10 PM - Edit history (1)
This means that rail workers are likely to strike anyway.
And unions will feel betrayed by Biden.
This is Republican strategy to hurt Biden, unions, and as many people as possible just to make Biden and Dems look bad. Expect much more of this shit for the next two years.
Dem messaging has to get on top of this RIGHT AWAY.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,915 posts)But for whatever reason, the House didn't do that.
BumRushDaShow
(128,515 posts)No we wouldn't. The GOP have made clear that they do not support worker's rights, let alone what should be a right - sick leave - and the vote that the House did as a standalone (with the number of Republicans who voted against the 7 days) gave you an idea of how it would have gone in the Senate, which would be nowhere. The bill would have failed to even proceed (would not have gotten cloture to begin debate). IOW, DOA.
They were going to try to do a maneuver to add it as an amendment but like cloture, they had enacted a Rule that amendments would need 60 votes to be included on the main bill and both that were submitted, including one from Dan Sullivan (R-AK) to extend the current contract 60 days for further negotiations, also failed.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)But I was able to scan the contract. After years of reading contracts they are not doing badly.
24% raise spread over 5 years. My whole family were railroaders starting with my Grandffather. Henry Ford hired him back when he bought the DT&I to haul his cars. He was laid off, had another job, was tired of the lay offs. But it is hard work.
BumRushDaShow
(128,515 posts)and that also included a union remark that blamed "the 43 elected officials" who didn't vote for the sick leave provision (i.e., the 42 Republicans and one Democrat - Manchin - in the Senate) - https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00371.htm
The provision that would have been added "as a correction" to the main bill (which was that 2nd bill from the House) -
H.Con.Res.119 - Providing for a correction in the enrollment of H.J. Res. 100.
117th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. CON. RES. 119
CONCURRENT RESOLUTION
Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That, in the enrollment of the joint resolution H.J. Res. 100, the Clerk of the House of Representatives shall make the following corrections:
(1) Amend section 1(A) by redesignating subsection (b) as subsection (c); and
(B) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:
(b) Paid sick leave.(1) IN GENERAL.Any tentative agreements, side letters, or local carrier agreements entered into by the parties and ratified before the date of enactment of this joint resolution and the tentative agreements, side letters, and local carrier agreements made binding by subsection (a) shall, beginning 60 days after the date of enactment of this joint resolution, provide(A) for 7 days of paid sick leave annually, except that nothing in this subparagraph shall supersede any existing labor agreement between such parties that provides for more than 7 days of paid sick leave annually; and
(B) that the use of any 7 days of paid sick leave annually, regardless of whether such days are provided under a tentative agreement, side letter, or local carrier agreement or under an existing labor agreement described in subparagraph (A), will not result in any points, demerits, or disciplinary citations under any party's attendance policy.
(2) EFFECT.The modification referenced in paragraph (1) shall each have the same effect as though arrived at by agreement of such parties under the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.)..
(2) Redesignate section 2 as section 3.
(3) After section 1, insert the following:
SEC. 2. Negotiations and arbitration.(a) Negotiations.The parties to the disputes subject to Presidential Emergency Board No. 250, established pursuant to Executive Order 14077 of July 15, 2022, shall negotiate the implementation of the 7 days of paid sick leave imposed on such parties by section 1(b).
(b) Binding arbitration.If, after 30 days after the date of enactment of this joint resolution, the parties are not able to reach agreement on the matter described in subsection (a), such parties shall enter into binding arbitration on such matter to provide for a final resolution of such unresolved matter.
(c) Arbitration.The arbitration described in subsection (b) shall be conducted pursuant to the provisions of section 7 of the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 157), and any award shall be enforceable under section 9 of the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 159), except that, in the public interest, compensation and expenses of the arbitrators shall be borne equally by the parties.
(d) Deadline.Not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this joint resolution, any binding arbitration proceeding entered into pursuant to subsection (b) shall be completed, including issuance of any award by the arbitration board..
Passed the House of Representatives November 30, 2022.
Attest:
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blackburn (R-TN)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Capito (R-WV)
Cassidy (R-LA)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Cotton (R-AR)
Cramer (R-ND)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daines (R-MT)
Ernst (R-IA)
Fischer (R-NE)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagerty (R-TN)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (R-WI)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
Lummis (R-WY)
Manchin (D-WV)
Marshall (R-KS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Romney (R-UT)
Rounds (R-SD)
Sasse (R-NE)
Scott (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Shelby (R-AL)
Sullivan (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Tillis (R-NC)
Toomey (R-PA)
Tuberville (R-AL)
Wicker (R-MS)
Young (R-IN)
The irony (and this was mentioned on one of the MSNBC shows last night - I think Alex Wagner's? ) was that jackasses like Cruz and Hawley who normally vote "no" for everything Democrats offer (even if it is something they normally support and in this case their claiming to be "for workers" ), actually voted FOR the 7 days of sick leave addendum. I expect after all the hypocritical votes that they normally do, they had the cover of this not reaching 60 votes to pass anyway, so they could point to some kind of heroic effort that they made with their "yea" vote.
The new contract as it stands (and I believe 8 of the 12 had ratified it) is a gigantic step forward in terms of pay and benefits and I think it also brought to the fore, the issue of paid sick leave for not only the rail industry, but so many others. I think I saw a stat that about 1/3rd of the U.S. workforce, estimated at about 33 million, have no guaranteed sick leave and that is something that really needs to be codified in labor law at the federal level (perhaps with a sliding scale based on number of employees and/or how the time is allocated - whether it is by hours or by "periods", etc. ).
think they will strike anyway.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)who said that the sick leave is a deal breaker or maker for them. He said that they will strike if there is no sick leave, even though the strike would be illegal.
Rebl2
(13,471 posts)are unionized, and its illegal for them to strike.
BumRushDaShow
(128,515 posts)The air traffic controllers found out the hard way 40 years ago.
NickB79
(19,224 posts)How is this a win again?
I'm honestly hoping for a strike at this point, the more I read of this.
bluestarone
(16,870 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,515 posts)Federal workers, including those in unions, are forbidden by law from striking (I am a retired fed).
Just over 40 years ago, PATCO called for the ATCs to strike and they were fired. It took 20-some years to get the staffing halfway back to what it was before the strike.
Much has been written about that period and the labor movement in general but many unions are all over the damn place when it comes to supporting purely anti-union elected officials - i.e., the GOP ones. Those GOPers did get a little taste of their own medicine a few years ago under 45 though - https://prospect.org/power/air-traffic-controllers-even-score/
Until we get rid of the filibuster in the Senate, little can be done and at this point, since we narrowly lost the House, unless we somehow get that back, we're in this deadlock situation for the next 2 years.
bluestarone
(16,870 posts)Why in the hell send two bills to the Senate. the one that passed with sick days should have been the only one sent to the Senate. I guess what i'm saying is, at least try it first. ( I do understand the predicament Joe is in) but it just looks bad. I'd would support a union slow down.
BumRushDaShow
(128,515 posts)was that the large House Congressional Progressive Caucus threatened to torpedo the main bill unless more sick time was added (I think the main bill had 1 day). The "compromise" to at least move something quickly, was to add the 2nd bill to be voted for separately that had 7 days of sick leave, and that would also serve as a "test vote" to gauge GOP support. It was found there would be nearly none for that measure. So they forwarded both to the Senate to see what could have been done. The 60 vote threshold was enabled on the 2nd bill which would be submitted as an amendment to the main one (apparently any amendment had to meet that test per their Rules for this legislation), effectively killing it.
bluestarone
(16,870 posts)I'm just kinda upset that i have to swallow the fact that Joe has to sign a bill, forcing union workers to work. Gives unions a reason to be upset at Democrats. (which we do not need) going into 2024.
BumRushDaShow
(128,515 posts)IOW, the OP title that you see here applies - https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016338256
bluestarone
(16,870 posts)True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Firing them all.
Have any of you read the contract? You can read what they already have. And before you go off at me I still pay Union dues voluntarily! They have treated me right.
KS Toronado
(17,155 posts)This was a vote to approve or reject an amendment to H.J.Res. 100 in the Senate.
Totals All Votes Republicans Democrats Independents
Yea.....25.........25.............0.............0
Nay.....70.........22.............46............2
Not voting 5......3..............2
Pretty sure this is the 7 day paid sick leave bill that was voted on Dec 1, 2022 at 2:15 p.m. ET.
Why were all Democrats a Nay vote? They want something added so they have to reject this one first?
BumRushDaShow
(128,515 posts)one (supported by Bernie Sanders) which would have been that 2nd bill from the House for the 7 days of sick leave to add "as a correction" to the main bill, and one from Dan Sullivan (R-AK) to have a 60-day extension of the existing contracts for further negotiations, that would have become an amendment.
The Sullivan Amendment was the one with the roll call that you show and that is also seen here - https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00370.htm
That is the one that many Democrats voted against.
The "correction" bill also failed but by not gaining 60 votes to be included in the main bill - https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00371.htm
Once those 2 provisions failed, they voted on the unaltered House bill and passed it.
So hopefully that makes sense.
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KS Toronado
(17,155 posts)" 60-day extension of the existing contracts for further negotiations,", that's just kicking the can
down the road so you can kick it again, makes sense we all voted against that one.
BumRushDaShow
(128,515 posts)it seems that some from the Insurrection Caucus voted for it - https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00370.htm
Blackburn (R-TN)
Braun (R-IN)
Capito (R-WV)
Collins (R-ME)
Cotton (R-AR)
Cruz (R-TX)
Daines (R-MT)
Ernst (R-IA)
Graham (R-SC)
Hagerty (R-TN)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kennedy (R-LA)
Lee (R-UT)
Paul (R-KY)
Rounds (R-SD)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Shelby (R-AL)
Sullivan (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Tuberville (R-AL)
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)I am pretty sure Nancy made the separate bill because she knew Republicans would vote nom but would approve the main bill.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)On the sick days. 60 required.
80 yes, 15 no on the full bill.