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Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:42 PM

Supreme Court clears way for Trump tax records to be sent to Congress by IRS

Source: CNBC

The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a bid by former President Donald Trump to prevent Congress from obtaining his federal income tax returns and those of related business entities from the IRS. The decision sets the stage for the Democrat-controlled House Ways and Means Committee to obtain Trump’s tax returns in the weeks before Republicans take majority control of the House.

GOP lawmakers have vowed to end the committee’s quest to obtain the records and a related probe into how the Internal Revenue Service audits the tax returns of sitting presidents. The order Tuesday by the Supreme Court, which noted no dissent from any justice, comes more than three months after a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in Washington, D.C., ruled that the Ways and Means Committee had the right to obtain Trump’s tax returns.

The entire appeals court on Oct. 27 denied Trump’s request to have the full lineup of the judges on that court rehear his appeal. Trump then asked the Supreme Court on Oct. 31 to block the committee from obtaining his tax returns. In that filing, Trump’s lawyers wrote, “This case raises important questions about the separation of powers that will affect every future President.”

The brief response Tuesday from the Supreme Court rejected Trump’s request to stay the lower court rulings that had cleared the way for the committee to get his returns. The Ways and Means Committee in April 2019 first asked the Treasury Department for the federal income tax returns of Trump and of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, along with those of seven limited liability companies connected to the ex-president, one of which does business as Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey. Trump was president at the time of that request.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/22/supreme-court-rules-on-trump-tax-records-being-given-to-congress.html



Article updated.

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The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a bid by former President Donald Trump to prevent Congress from obtaining his federal income tax returns and those of related business entities from the IRS.

The order by the Supreme Court, which noted no dissent from any justice, comes more than three months after a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in Washington, D.C., ruled that the Ways and Means Committee had the right to obtain Trump's tax returns.

The entire appeals court on Oct. 27 denied Trump's request to have the full lineup of the judges on that court rehear his appeal. Trump then asked the Supreme Court on Oct. 31 to block the committee from obtaining his tax returns.

In that filing, Trump's lawyers wrote, "This case raises important questions about the separation of powers that will affect every future President."


Original article -

The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a bid by former President Donald Trump to prevent Congress from obtaining his income tax returns
from the IRS.

The ruling comes more than three months after a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court in Washington, D.C., ruled that the Ways and Means Committee had the right to obtain Trump's tax returns.

The entire appeals court on Oct. 27 denied Trump's request to have the full lineup of the judges on that court rehear his appeal. Trump then asked the Supreme Court on Oct. 31 to block the committee from obtaining his tax returns.

In that filing, Trump's lawyers wrote, "This case raises important questions about the separation of powers that will affect every future President."

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Reply Supreme Court clears way for Trump tax records to be sent to Congress by IRS (Original post)
BumRushDaShow Nov 22 OP
onecaliberal Nov 22 #1
mahatmakanejeeves Nov 22 #2
bluestarone Nov 22 #4
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 22 #19
Rebl2 Nov 22 #27
aggiesal Nov 22 #23
CaptainTruth Nov 22 #33
Higherarky Nov 22 #35
bucolic_frolic Nov 22 #3
sop Nov 22 #5
Rebl2 Nov 22 #28
sop Nov 22 #30
samsingh Nov 22 #6
CrispyQ Nov 22 #9
yellowdogintexas Nov 22 #22
calimary Nov 22 #31
patricia92243 Nov 22 #7
GreenWave Nov 22 #8
gab13by13 Nov 22 #10
onetexan Nov 22 #11
William769 Nov 22 #12
sdfernando Nov 22 #13
BumRushDaShow Nov 22 #14
sdfernando Nov 22 #15
BumRushDaShow Nov 22 #20
KS Toronado Nov 22 #16
liberal N proud Nov 22 #17
republianmushroom Nov 22 #18
RayStar Nov 22 #26
Kablooie Nov 22 #21
PSPS Nov 22 #24
BumRushDaShow Nov 22 #29
Backseat Driver Nov 22 #25
moniss Nov 22 #32
Justice matters. Nov 22 #34
moniss Nov 22 #37
Justice matters. Nov 22 #38
moniss Nov 22 #39
Stuart G Nov 22 #36

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:43 PM

1. Oh he's going to appeal the appeal of the appeal.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:46 PM

2. "Time is not on the side of Democrats who run the committee."

Time is not on the side of Democrats who run the committee. The demands for the records will almost surely expire in January, when Republicans take control of the House as a result of the recent midterm elections.

washingtonpost.com
Supreme Court denies Trump request to withhold tax returns from Congress
Lawmakers say they need Donald Trump’s tax returns from his time in office to help evaluate the effectiveness of annual presidential audits --



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/22/supreme-court-trump-taxes/

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:53 PM

4. Hopefully this will be (if needed)

Passed on to a NEW Senate committee.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:12 PM

19. Can they do that? Think it's very naive to think anyone

Will be able to glance and see items like "Due to Russia"

I would guess it'd take a team of forensic accountants many years

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 05:07 PM

27. Hopefully so

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:43 PM

23. I believe that House will get them the week after Thanksgiving ...

Why? You ask.
Because Pendejo45's tax accountants already had the taxes ready to hand over when Pendejo45 filed with SCOTUS.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 05:55 PM

33. I'm not sure it matters much.

The committee can't fine Trump, indict him, press criminal charges etc. The most they could do is refer their findings to DOJ.

What matters more to me are all the other ongoing investigations that CAN result in fines, possibly criminal charges, & possibly jail time.

Here's a decent overview:

[link:https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/|]

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 08:22 PM

35. Embarrass him?

"Trump has argued that Democratic lawmakers are on a fishing expedition designed to embarrass him politically."

He should be asked why he would be embarrassed.

(I'm not sure he has the capacity to feel embarrassment.)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:52 PM

3. Now would be a good time for Trump to release his tax returns

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:53 PM

5. Surely there must be a higher court where Trump can appeal this ruling.

Maybe The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation or The Supreme Judicial Council in Saudi Arabia will hear the case?

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Response to sop (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 05:11 PM

28. Maybe he can

Appeal to The Hague! That’s where his crimes should be ruled on.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 05:25 PM

30. That's a great idea.

Jack Smith wouldn't have to give up his post.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:54 PM

6. just in time for the repugs to take over the house

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Response to samsingh (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:00 PM

9. Makes you wonder if the ruling would have been different if dems won the house. -nt

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:30 PM

22. now is the time for the J6 to turn the whole thing over to the Senate. nt

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 05:26 PM

31. I was just thinking that! Get thee to the Senate.

Dems can still get things done there. AND, if we get Raphael Warnock in, next month, we’ll strengthen our lead in the Senate. And Sinema and Manchin thereby lose their grip on power. They’re more likely to go along to get along, at least if they’re reading the tea leaves the way they should be.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:58 PM

7. He was going to show them to us as soon as he was audited (6 years ago) so,

he should be happy that it is being done as he promised. (sarcasm)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:59 PM

8. Nice to see this half a decade old request proceed with "vigor"

One of JFK's words.

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Response to GreenWave (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:06 PM

10. It's not easy interpreting the definition of the word "shall.""

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:19 PM

11. Repug SCOTUS no longer have use for the Con

& why theyre trying to present a morsel of impartiality to appease naysayers.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:21 PM

12. GOOD!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:25 PM

13. What the scrotus did is set the precedent

just in time for the request to be cancelled by the corrupt gqp...but since the precedent is set, the new gqp committee can now get President Biden's returns to crawl up inside of to try to find something.....ANY thing.

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:29 PM

14. "the new gqp committee can now get President Biden's returns to crawl up inside of"

They were already released - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/2022/04/15/the-president-and-vice-president-release-their-2021-tax-returns/

as were those of other Presidents going back to Nixon I believe. 45 was the ONLY one who refused to release them.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:41 PM

15. Yes..thanks for reminding me. orange-man is the only one not to release. /nt

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:15 PM

20. And at least now

the validity of the need has been established by the SCOTUS.

The House had passed a bill to codify the release requirement back in 2019 but at the time, it was DOA in Turtle's Senate.

It was reintroduced in 2021 but hasn't moved much given all that has gone on last year and this year!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:45 PM

16. "GOP lawmakers have vowed to end the committee's quest"

That's the biggest problem with these f...ing reQublicOns, Hey stop he's one of ours so he could have
done no wrong, surprised they're not saying Nixon was railroaded.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:49 PM

17. Tic toc

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:50 PM

18. GOOD How many years ?

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Response to republianmushroom (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:54 PM

26. 4 years

just for his time in office.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:26 PM

21. Trump has pretty much won.

There's no time to get the tax returns and go over them.
The investigation will be over at the end of the year and it's the holiday season as well.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:45 PM

24. Mission accomplished -- delayed beyond any usefulness.

The GOP will shutter the investigation before it can do anything.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 05:14 PM

29. It won't stop NY from going after him though

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 04:46 PM

25. SCOTUS has a strange fascination with changing its mind about those

questions of precedent, don't they. After all, for a lifetime of servitude to the people, they hardly come close to the 1% at the top of the mega-corporate entities and some like beer and/or communion snacks to wash away the dirt they have to consider until they get the next "pause that refreshes" and instantly forgives their most worthy sins. SMH - I'm an old woman so...

We will see...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 05:51 PM

32. It could well happen

that if the House Committee tries to share them with anybody an immediate case will be filed claiming they should not be allowed to share those records with anybody else because they are supposed to be kept private between the IRS, the Orange Ruski and the Committee. Then the court might issue a "temporary" injunction and ask for briefs. That will undoubtedly go past the swearing in of the GQP.

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Response to moniss (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 06:44 PM

34. Doesn't really matter now. What matters is the precedent if any other future

POTUS refuses to release his tax returns (all previous POTUS did release them except hair furhair).

The request would have to be honored by the IRS based on that SC ruling.

New York A.G. has hair furhair's files so the investigation continues out of Washington.

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Response to Justice matters. (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 09:36 PM

37. I understand your point but I don't know if you understand mine.

The NY AG having them doesn't mean that the people of this country will know the full extent of what is in those records. Likewise with the Congress. The slime-ball can still go to a court and say "OK, fine. The committee has them but they can only use them for their stated reasons/subject authority and any citizen's tax records can't be thrown out to the public just because they have possession of them for the purposes they stated in obtaining them in the first place. The same with AG James. I believe that the courts would agree that the case in NY is a matter between the state and the slime-ball and his organization and is for purposes of enforcement and it would certainly be unusual for any court trial involving tax records to make them all public rather than using bits and pieces for evidentiary purposes. Think about it this way. Let's say the IRS claims you cheated on a few items. You say you didn't and you fight them in court. When the case is over do you really think that everybody in your hometown is going to be able to go and now look at years and years of all of your tax documents? Certainly not and any info beyond the specific information used in evidence won't be released. My point is that whether the Congress has them or not or a prosecutor has them or not we as citizens will only get bits and pieces and not the full disclosure. Unless of course someone breaks the law and discloses them. Furthermore their is no precedent set by the SC decision for the tax records of a President to be released to the public/press etc. at large. Only for legal investigations and administrative oversight by a specific House Committee.

So the Orange Ruski/his spawn/his companies may suffer some penalties and there will surely be some info relative to the specific charges brought that we will likely find out about but the stench of a good deal more may be there that doesn't get charged but yet would be important for people to know to have the whole truth.

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Response to moniss (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 09:50 PM

38. A big majority of "the people of this country" would not understand the numbers if hair furhair's

tax returns (probably a million-pages long "spaghetti" of complicated calculations) were all made public. The purpose of the House and Means Committee's request was in no way made in order to make them available to the general public. It was for legislation-making purposes if necessary.

Tax returns are private by definition. Full disclosures are not required by any law, although new legislation that could be proposed by the committee should get passed to make their release mandatory for high-ranking public-service officials. But thanks to hair furhair's delay tactics and a complicit SC, that will be for the next Democratic-led House in two years (hopefully).

The previous Presidents released theirs voluntarily (because when you've got nothing to hide, you make them public...).

Now, for New York State to investigate them and hopefully the IRS too... Let's see what crimes and frauds they'll come up with.

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Response to Justice matters. (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 09:54 PM

39. As I pointed out.

But whether a large proportion of the population wouldn't understand the numbers/accounting isn't a basis upon which to decide whether there is a need for those who do to illuminate the wrongdoings and then journalism, or what's passing for it these days, can do the narrative.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2022, 08:55 PM

36. Could that mean in the end Trump becomes a....'CRIMINAL"....ONE QUESTION MORE...please read this one

Is Donald Trump the kind of person that thinks he can get away with anything?????????????????????????

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