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867-5309.

(1,189 posts)
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 12:35 PM Oct 2022

Fetterman claims errors in closed captioning system during debate

Source: CBS 21

Pennsylvania Senate candidate John Fetterman is claiming the closed captioning system at his debate with Republican Dr. Mehmet Oz was slow and filled with errors. The host, Nextstar is refuting the allegations, according to a press release.

As Fetterman is recovering from his stroke in May, he has struggled with auditory processing issues and clear speech, the release says. To compensate, Oz and Fetterman agreed to using closed captioning for their debate.

Despite the errors of the closed captioning, "We are thrilled with John’s performance," said Joe Calvello, Fetterman's communications director. "He did remarkably well tonight – especially when you consider that he’s still recovering from a stroke and was working off of delayed captions filled with errors. John won countless exchanges, counter-punched aggressively, and pushed back on Oz’s cruelty and attacks."...

Read more: https://local21news.com/news/election/fetterman-claims-errors-in-closed-captioning-system-during-debate

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Fetterman claims errors in closed captioning system during debate (Original Post) 867-5309. Oct 2022 OP
Shocking! 😱 SheltieLover Oct 2022 #1
Fetterman has this Pennsylvanian's vote orangecrush Oct 2022 #2
Fetterman raises $1M+ in hours after debate. LenaBaby61 Oct 2022 #9
THANK YOU! orangecrush Oct 2022 #13
Debate takeaway yankee87 Oct 2022 #3
REALLY THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Oct 2022 #10
Exactly blm Oct 2022 #33
I didn't watch the debate but the clips I saw had a huge monitor visible to the audience dsc Oct 2022 #4
That is what I am speaking of in my post below... IthinkThereforeIAM Oct 2022 #8
I use closed captioning all the time... IthinkThereforeIAM Oct 2022 #5
An announcement was made in advance... brooklynite Oct 2022 #35
Agree... Mike Nelson Oct 2022 #6
You'd think that this would be pretty easy to verify n/t aggiesal Oct 2022 #7
And yet he still swept the floor with Oz like a broom Torchlight Oct 2022 #11
How could anyone take Oz seriously when he said he never sold weight loss products? Joe Cool Oct 2022 #19
Those weight lose products are still being sold by Oz on my tablet when I play solitaire. debm55 Oct 2022 #22
What solitare app do you use? and how are the ads? Calista241 Oct 2022 #26
I'll check-either Google or Microsoft. I' ll check and let you know. debm55 Oct 2022 #27
On my computer, It's Microsoft. On my tablet it's Google. debm55 Oct 2022 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Torchlight Oct 2022 #12
Even if he sometimes struggles with auditory processing issues & clear speech, he is still superior iluvtennis Oct 2022 #14
I can believe this Deminpenn Oct 2022 #15
I do this for several shows as well. chowder66 Oct 2022 #17
I've gotten a few laughs, too, Deminpenn Oct 2022 #20
+1 chowder66 Oct 2022 #21
Yes Bayard Oct 2022 #23
Lol. chowder66 Oct 2022 #25
I have trouble understanding the mumbling. betsuni Oct 2022 #32
Agreed. chowder66 Oct 2022 #34
Hearing declines as we age Deminpenn Oct 2022 #36
As it was explained to me by the Miracle Ear person, Bayard Oct 2022 #39
I use cc all the time. cksmithy Oct 2022 #24
Oz doesn't deserve the same air as Fetterman OneCrazyDiamond Oct 2022 #16
So right about that. Have seen ads about his immigrant wife, John being a racist,drug addict, soft debm55 Oct 2022 #28
Fetterman has spent his life serving the underserved. OneCrazyDiamond Oct 2022 #30
They showed the screen on camera at one point during the debate. Joe Cool Oct 2022 #18
There's a reason why veterans of transcription services call speech-recognition software Higherarky Oct 2022 #31
Depends on the system used. mwooldri Oct 2022 #37
It's true that some transcriptions are better than others FakeNoose Oct 2022 #38

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
9. Fetterman raises $1M+ in hours after debate.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 01:18 PM
Oct 2022

Last edited Wed Oct 26, 2022, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)

I live in California (and excuse me having to get this info from the Hill ), and have to watch my pennies but I sent Fetterman a bit of change. I do not want to lose my social security/medicare nor have my beautiful nieces and great nieces have to go into a room with her doctor, her husband/boyfriend/so and have a damn local politician to try to stop her from having an abortion.

Oz is a damn rotten ass snake oil salesman, and he needs his ass kicked to the curb by Philadelphian's.

GO FETTERMAN!!!!!!!!!!!


In Democratic Pennsylvania Senate nominee John Fetterman raised more than $1 million following Tuesday night’s debate with Republican Mehmet Oz, according to Fetterman’s campaign.


The campaign said it raised the amount during the three hours between the debate’s conclusion at 9 p.m. and midnight.

The two candidates sparred over a number of top issues, like the economy and abortion, in the state’s first and only Senate debate.

The closely watched event, which was held two weeks before the election, also drew attention to Fetterman’s ongoing recovery from a stroke earlier this year, a matter that the Oz campaign has mocked at times. Fetterman’s challenges communicating were on full display during the debate, with the Democrat calling it the “elephant in the room.”

“It’s clear that the people of Pennsylvania have John’s back in this race. They stepped up tonight with a gigantic show of support for John and his debate performance. We’re honored and grateful for the support heading into the last two weeks of the race,” Fetterman’s campaign manager, Brendan McPhillips, said in a statement regarding the post-debate fundraising.

The Hill has reached out to Oz’s campaign for its latest fundraising numbers.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3704416-fetterman-raises-1m-in-hours-after-debate/

yankee87

(2,295 posts)
3. Debate takeaway
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 12:45 PM
Oct 2022

The only thing that will be remembered is Oz saying a local politician should make your medical decisions for you. Blast this answer all over the internet, TV and flyers.

dsc

(52,523 posts)
4. I didn't watch the debate but the clips I saw had a huge monitor visible to the audience
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 01:06 PM
Oct 2022

so the errors would be visible as well. I did notice delays in the clips I saw.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,109 posts)
8. That is what I am speaking of in my post below...
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 01:16 PM
Oct 2022

... and at times, when a station (usually one of the local Nextstar stations) goes to a commercial break, when the program resumes, there are cut outs/no captions. Something sent or not sent out from the broadcasting room at the respective station.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,109 posts)
5. I use closed captioning all the time...
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 01:10 PM
Oct 2022

... as I am profoundly deaf since I turned 13 yrs old (spinal meningitis complications) and notice the errors in closed captioning all the time. I am also a speed reader (nyuk nyuk -was the fastest speed reader when in 5th and 6th grade as per the old number and word flashes on the big screen) and often hope that others relying on closed captions do not take all of them literally, especially if there is a lag/hang in the live captions.

Sigh... having also programmed computers since in high school, I also realize there are other issues that affect closed captioning: voice recognition software problems, the computer/device used to create the captions having an occasional lag/background operations(hello, Windows®!) and then trying to catch up to real time...

So... to those of you not yet understanding what my monologue is about, turn the captioner on for your TV, especially a live local news program (a Nextstar channel?) and see for your self.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
35. An announcement was made in advance...
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 11:05 PM
Oct 2022

that the closed captioning YOU saw on TV was not the closed captioning that Fetterman saw in the studio.

Mike Nelson

(10,219 posts)
6. Agree...
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 01:12 PM
Oct 2022

... they showed the captioning during brief moments in the debate. There were errors... strange that "Nextstar is refuting the allegations."

Torchlight

(4,186 posts)
11. And yet he still swept the floor with Oz like a broom
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 01:21 PM
Oct 2022

Oz walked away from the debate looking even smaller and more ineffectual than usual.

Joe Cool

(951 posts)
19. How could anyone take Oz seriously when he said he never sold weight loss products?
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 02:04 PM
Oct 2022

Besides the 'women, doctors, local political' comment the lie about never selling weight loss products should have been a more important story from the debate.

debm55

(31,868 posts)
22. Those weight lose products are still being sold by Oz on my tablet when I play solitaire.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 02:26 PM
Oct 2022

They did not stop when he started his run.

Calista241

(5,595 posts)
26. What solitare app do you use? and how are the ads?
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 04:32 PM
Oct 2022

The one I use, the ads are getting out of control, like 2 mins of commercial in between games.

debm55

(31,868 posts)
27. I'll check-either Google or Microsoft. I' ll check and let you know.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 05:02 PM
Oct 2022

It has been getting out of hand, then you have an ad to get rid of the ads.

Response to 867-5309. (Original post)

iluvtennis

(20,557 posts)
14. Even if he sometimes struggles with auditory processing issues & clear speech, he is still superior
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 01:51 PM
Oct 2022

to Oz who is a carpetbagger and is unfit & unqualified to hold elective office.

#Vote Fetterman

Deminpenn

(15,920 posts)
15. I can believe this
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 01:57 PM
Oct 2022

I occassionally put on the CC to supplement what I'm hearing, especially for the British shows. CC gets most of the words/dialog correct, but it sometimes puts up a similar sounding word or displays a word spelled phonetically if the transcriptionist or voice recognition system doesn't "know" the word, phrase or proper name.

Deminpenn

(15,920 posts)
20. I've gotten a few laughs, too,
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 02:15 PM
Oct 2022

from some of the words that appeared once you figure out what the word was supposed to be.

Bayard

(23,728 posts)
23. Yes
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 02:58 PM
Oct 2022

By the time I sit down to watch a little TV at night, I've already taken the hearing aids out, so I CC. Sometimes its more entertaining than the actual show!

chowder66

(9,682 posts)
25. Lol.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 03:51 PM
Oct 2022

I don't wear an aid but wonder if I need one sometimes.

Either the background music is so loud in a show I can't understand what their saying or they are mumble-acting. Sometimes it's just a thick accent that I need help with.
I find that if I watch older movies or tv shows (40's, 50's 60's, 70's) I don't need CC because everything seemed much clearer.

betsuni

(27,156 posts)
32. I have trouble understanding the mumbling.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 08:45 PM
Oct 2022

Often have to listen to things more than once at top volume. Constantly adjusting the volume because one minute there's loud music and yelling and the next some quiet mumbling. Old movies are best, actors knew how to enunciate.

Deminpenn

(15,920 posts)
36. Hearing declines as we age
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 07:53 AM
Oct 2022

IIRC, that has to do with hearing having a smaller range of sounds it can distinguish or something like that.

Bayard

(23,728 posts)
39. As it was explained to me by the Miracle Ear person,
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 04:05 PM
Oct 2022

(For what its worth). We don't hear with our ears. All they do is funnel sound to the brain. The longer you go with poor hearing, the faster pathways to the brain degenerate.

cksmithy

(239 posts)
24. I use cc all the time.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 03:19 PM
Oct 2022

I have mild hearing loss, very loud tinnitus and use hearing aids to help mask the tinnitus. The closed captioning is sometimes a joke, I couldn't hear the word, when cc catches up, it is skipped, nonsensical or actually says "mumble." If the tv is on, cc is also on. I'll ask my husband what did he say, he couldn't get it either. So I rewind, still not understandable with no cc displayed. They just skip words all the time especially during the local news, even msnbc, cnn or bbc. Probably because they couldn't spell it, the talker was too fast, or whatever. I certainly hope people who are profoundly deaf don't have to rely on closed caption. TV shows are better and it is actually funny how they mess the words up. I too, watch lots of British shows, love the nae, innit, shite, etc.

debm55

(31,868 posts)
28. So right about that. Have seen ads about his immigrant wife, John being a racist,drug addict, soft
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 05:08 PM
Oct 2022

Last edited Thu Oct 27, 2022, 09:11 AM - Edit history (1)

on crime and a trust fund kid who didn't work until he was 49, Some /all of the yahoos around here. SW PA. will believe that crap.

Joe Cool

(951 posts)
18. They showed the screen on camera at one point during the debate.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 02:03 PM
Oct 2022

The close captioning was definitely slow and it seemed like the words were not being properly spelled.
There was definitely one word that ended with an 'e' but there was a space between the rest of the word and the e. Not sure if the e eventually ended up as part of the word but that is what it seemed to be on the screen when shown on the debate camera.

Higherarky

(637 posts)
31. There's a reason why veterans of transcription services call speech-recognition software
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 08:22 PM
Oct 2022
Speech-Wreck software. It is in its infancy, & it truly sux like a baby at this point in time.


Meanwhile,

You GO, Mr. Fetterman!!!
👍🤞

mwooldri

(10,355 posts)
37. Depends on the system used.
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 08:59 AM
Oct 2022

Any closed captioning system is always going to lag speech.

The errors in the transcribing could be human, computer, or a mix of both. I don't know what system Nexstar used.

This subject got me going down rabbit holes, so here's a video of a stenographer showing how he transcribes the BBC News at 10. Actually takes a team to do the transcription.


FakeNoose

(35,025 posts)
38. It's true that some transcriptions are better than others
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 11:23 AM
Oct 2022

The best systems allow human interaction to correct the errors. But that only happens when trained professional transcription experts are on duty, catching and correcting those errors on the spot in real time. (In other words, while they are happening.)

Remember when the networks used to BLEEP whenever someone uttered a curse-word, like on a late-night talk show? That happened because someone was listening, caught the curse word and reacted in 7 seconds to bleep it out. I don't think they do that any more, but there are certainly people trained to make instant corrections to spoken dialog. However it costs money to pay these people for their services, so ....

When humans correct the transcription errors, there's still a 7-second delay. However what goes out on screen is correct and standard English. I feel bad for Fetterman who has only recently entered our world with the rest of us who are constant closed caption consumers.

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