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Tue Oct 4, 2022, 02:51 PM

Trump goes to Supreme Court over Mar-a-Lago search and seizure of documents

Source: CNN

By Tierney Sneed
Published 3:45 PM EDT, Tue October 4, 2022

CNN

Former President Donald Trump has asked the Supreme Court to intervene in the dispute over materials the FBI seized from his Mar-a-Lago estate this summer.

His emergency request with Supreme Court is the latest example of the former President seeking to involve the justices in investigations that entangle him – at a time when the high court’s legitimacy in politically explosive cases is under intense scrutiny.

This story is breaking and will be updated.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/04/politics/trump-supreme-court-mar-a-lago-appeal/index.html

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Reply Trump goes to Supreme Court over Mar-a-Lago search and seizure of documents (Original post)
swag Oct 4 OP
JohnSJ Oct 4 #1
Ligyron Oct 4 #7
JohnSJ Oct 4 #29
Mr.Mystery Oct 4 #33
Coventina Oct 4 #35
Mz Pip Oct 4 #45
Mr.Mystery Oct 4 #48
riversedge Oct 4 #57
JohnSJ Oct 4 #64
JohnSJ Oct 4 #65
Captain Zero Oct 4 #66
leftyladyfrommo Oct 4 #2
SWBTATTReg Oct 4 #3
swag Oct 4 #4
swag Oct 4 #5
Peregrine Took Oct 4 #6
underpants Oct 4 #11
fanfanois Oct 4 #8
Mr.Mystery Oct 4 #55
Demsrule86 Oct 4 #60
Mr.Mystery Oct 4 #63
tinrobot Oct 4 #9
Shipwack Oct 4 #44
bluestarone Oct 4 #10
I_UndergroundPanther Oct 4 #14
bluestarone Oct 4 #15
rurallib Oct 4 #16
KPN Oct 5 #73
BigDemVoter Oct 4 #47
I_UndergroundPanther Oct 5 #75
Ligyron Oct 4 #12
getagrip_already Oct 4 #18
Ligyron Oct 4 #23
onenote Oct 4 #27
SouthernDem4ever Oct 4 #13
PatSeg Oct 4 #17
Bengus81 Oct 4 #19
Ponietz Oct 4 #20
GusBob Oct 4 #28
Martin68 Oct 4 #21
MarineCombatEngineer Oct 4 #25
Rebl2 Oct 4 #38
oldsoftie Oct 4 #22
Johnny2X2X Oct 4 #24
Rebl2 Oct 4 #26
angrychair Oct 4 #30
MarineCombatEngineer Oct 4 #32
angrychair Oct 4 #67
Evolve Dammit Oct 4 #31
Mr.Bill Oct 4 #34
Gore1FL Oct 4 #40
Mr.Bill Oct 4 #41
Kid Berwyn Oct 4 #36
EndlessWire Oct 4 #37
onenote Oct 4 #70
bucolic_frolic Oct 4 #39
onecaliberal Oct 4 #42
mgardener Oct 4 #43
iemanja Oct 4 #46
Ford_Prefect Oct 4 #49
COL Mustard Oct 4 #50
hadEnuf Oct 4 #52
COL Mustard Oct 4 #54
EndlessWire Oct 4 #51
mahatmakanejeeves Oct 4 #53
TXPaganBanker Oct 4 #56
Ligyron Oct 4 #58
TXPaganBanker Oct 4 #59
NullTuples Oct 4 #61
onenote Oct 4 #68
NullTuples Oct 4 #69
Lasher Oct 4 #62
onetexan Oct 5 #71
GoldandSilver Oct 5 #72
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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 02:52 PM

1. Hopefully the SC won't even hear the case

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 02:57 PM

7. They shouldn't.

Hopefully the PTB are good and sick of Trump and want him ended.

Trump knows he's guilty and this desperation proves he is.

If they actually agree to hear this nonsense, we're in trouble.

So is Democracy.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:46 PM

29. I agree. Absolutely no reason he so have the possession of classified documents

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 04:05 PM

33. SCOTUS intervening is very dangerous. They owe The Count of Mostly Crisco bigly,

and they know it.

Since when have the conservative courts -- the conservative ANYTHING -- stood for principle instead of power? Never.

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Response to Mr.Mystery (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 04:20 PM

35. Somebody's been watching Colbert!


Welcome to DU!

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Response to Mr.Mystery (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:30 PM

45. They owe him nothing

They have lifetime appointments. Nothing he says or does can remove them. Impeachment would be next to impossible.

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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #45)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:35 PM

48. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett were all nominated by Trump . . .

Also the rule change that made it easier to advance nominees happened under Trump & his MAGA Congress.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 07:09 PM

57. ...Trump directed the request to Justice Clarence Thomas, who is assigned to oversee emergency reque

Trumps SC buddy gets the case. damn





https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-trump-asks-supreme-court-reject-appeals-ruling-2022-10
...........Trump directed the request to Justice Clarence Thomas, who is assigned to oversee emergency requests arising out of the 11th Circuit. If granted, such an emergency order would make it easier for Trump to pursue arguments that the classified records are covered by a legal privilege and should not be used, at least for now, in the Justice Department's investigation.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #57)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 08:31 PM

64. Why can't the DOK ask for a different justice? This country is so over

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Response to riversedge (Reply #57)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 08:32 PM

65. Why can't the DOK ask for a different justice? This country is so over

Thomas should recuse himself

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Response to riversedge (Reply #57)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 09:15 PM

66. And if Ginni Thomas's fingerprints are on the TS docs?

What if Clarence Knows who else's fingerprints are on the TOP SECRET documents??

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 02:53 PM

2. That's not a surprise. nt

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 02:54 PM

3. For stealing the DOJ's documents? Yeah, I think that this will go nowhere. Why would they

intervene? There're no issues on law, tRUMP stole, and he got caught. Plain and simple. They should have arrested him and had his a&& in jail already.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 02:56 PM

5. A little sliver of Marcy Wheeler's check-in

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 02:56 PM

6. Wella, wella, wella.....I knew he'd wind up in his own personal SC before long. n/t

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:03 PM

11. This is the last move I would think.

He went straight to the Hail Mary.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 02:59 PM

8. Jill Stein voters shielded this guy from any future prosecution

 

By staying home, and pretending that Trump and Hillary were the same.
then Trump Nominated some cultists to the Suprême Court en el shower

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Response to fanfanois (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 06:49 PM

55. You make a good point. If most of Stein's voters had voted for Hillary Clinton

she would have won WIS, PENN, and MICH and the election.

However, in exit polls between only Clinton and Dump, Dump still wins in those states. Also, Johnson sucked votes from Dump, so . . . it's hard to say for sure.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/11/13576798/jill-stein-third-party-donald-trump-win

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Response to Mr.Mystery (Reply #55)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 07:41 PM

60. That simply isn't true.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #60)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 08:31 PM

63. Well . . . I'm just repeating this analysis from the poly sci guys quoted in Vox . . .

"All's I know is what I read in the papers." Will Rodgers

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:01 PM

9. I predict they'll turn it down 8-1 with Thomas objecting.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:19 PM

44. Rejected 5-3, with the Handmaiden and Alito joining dissent. NT

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:02 PM

10. He can't win this. (I hope) BUT

I just hope the SC don't get involved, just to DELAY!. (this is what he and his lawyers are hoping for)

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:09 PM

14. I hope

He has a heart attack,gets hit by a bus,eats bad food,drowns in a storm,gets shot with a stray bullet from one of the gun nuts at his rally...etc..etc..

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:13 PM

15. Is it ok if i

Multiply your hope by a Gazillion?

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:16 PM

16. I agree, but these questions should be decided whether he is dead or alive.

This is literally the rule of law on the block.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 06:11 AM

73. By this SC? I'd rather take my chances with

“I hope he has a heart attack and dies, or gets hit by a bus or stray bullet” etc.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:34 PM

47. Not sure if you are talking about the the former pig in the White House

or the pig in the Supreme Court (Thomas), but I would agree with you on BOTH counts. . . . !

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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #47)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 05:05 PM

75. Originally

Meant for trump but sure add in that asshole thomas . They both need to dissapear.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:08 PM

12. Does Clarence get to approve this or does it go to the SCOTUS 4 person groupie?

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:18 PM

18. I think it still takes 4 to hear a case.....

If they get the 4, he would issue a stay on the appeals court order or not, depending on the musings of the court.

That would be an extreme stay given the harm the gov't has claimed.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:30 PM

23. Thanks, I believe you are right.

Yeah, the harm could be truly monumental and they know this too.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:38 PM

27. He could grant or deny the request himself, but probably won't.

This guide from the Supreme Court explains the emergency motion procedures.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/reportersguide.pdf

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:09 PM

13. Do all his weird supporters have the judges personal info and locations

just in case they don't do what he wants? If not they can probably get it all from Ginni.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:17 PM

17. The FBI didn't "seize" those documents

They retrieved them after giving Trump numerous opportunities to return them voluntarily. Once again, Trump makes it sound like the documents belonged to him and were taken suddenly without warning.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:21 PM

19. More stalling to try and run the clock out is all this is............

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:22 PM

20. Guess who or what gets destroyed if SCOTUS appeal denied

Clarence Thomas and his law clerks, in their supervisory role over the 11th Circuit, are busily working on an angle for the traitor this minute. If the appeal is denied Ginny the Ninny’s husband is toast. I expect delay.


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Response to Ponietz (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:41 PM

28. Could be the other way around

she told the lawyers "the fix is in we got your back"

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:27 PM

21. Trump's last resort: the court he fashioned to support his criminal acts. But I don't think

they feel any particular obligation to support Trump now. They have their own agenda, and no one is in control of it but them.

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Response to Martin68 (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:35 PM

25. As proven by their refusing to get involved in his bogus voter fraud claim.

I suspect the SC will refuse to hear it.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:04 PM

38. Same here

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:30 PM

22. I believe the Court will give him a big "NOPE" on this one & not even hear it

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:32 PM

24. This will be another defeat for him.

The case will get worse for him

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:37 PM

26. OMG

I hope so.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:46 PM

30. Not optimistic

This court has made it clear that they support all things trump.
I hope I'm wrong but I have lost all faith in the system.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:53 PM

32. So they supported him by refusing to hear any of his bogus voter fraud lawsuits?

They helped him when they refused to hear Tx. ridiculous lawsuit against states that he claimed were full of voter fraud?

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 09:24 PM

67. That was all before

They overturned Roe. That was the turning point. I think the mask is off now. They won't even get to hide it anymore.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 03:53 PM

31. "Where's my Roy Cohn(s)"??? Special Master wasn't enough. Delay, lie and bury it at all cost.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 04:12 PM

34. I'd like to have them hear it then

vote 9-0 against Trump just to hear the names he will call his appointees he is so proud of.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #34)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:06 PM

40. 8-1. Thomas is a still a Justice. nt

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #40)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:14 PM

41. Yeah, but wouldn't it be something if even he turned against Trump?

Trump might even break out the N word for that one.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 04:21 PM

36. Ginni Thomas said to.

Someone must’ve reminded Trump, who’s too stupid to remember.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 04:38 PM

37. Wow, it's almost 300 pages.

Do people get to file amicus briefs? And, it goes to Clarence! The sound you hear behind the door is the all-justice fist fight that will now commence.

If the SC hears this, they better not say that it was okay for him to declassify something with his mind. Talk about lack of confidence in the SC...their best bet would be to refuse to hear it.

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Response to EndlessWire (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 10:56 PM

70. It's 37 pages. The rest is made up of appendices -- copies of the decisions from the district corurt

court of appeals, various pleadings etc.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:05 PM

39. Potentially, TDFG has something on his 3 SCOTUS appointees

He was privy to the background checks, no? Some of which were not vetted very well? So they owe him something?

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:18 PM

42. The FBI was sent to retrieve top secret documents that trump ripped off from the National Archives.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:18 PM

43. I'm curious.

Has Ginni Thomas gotten a phone call from Trump in the last week?

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:33 PM

46. It's been filed with Clarence Thomas

Who sees 11th circuit appeals: https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/david-zaslav.asp?cycle=20

The petition was filed with Justice Clarence Thomas, who oversees emergency requests from the 11th Circuit. It is likely he will seek a response from the government before the court takes any action. A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment on the new filing. It’s unclear how long the Supreme Court’s review of the matter will take, or if it will have any measurable impact on the ongoing investigation.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:38 PM

49. I doubt they'll take it up with as many holes as there are in the argument.

The first warrant issued to the FBI was clear and distinct. No one has raised that as an issue. Trump's claims of ownership were effectively erased by that warrant being issued. He's presented ZERO specific evidence that any of the paper belonged to him in any way even though he has a thorough list of what the FBI took. I doubt very much that the court would take on the DOJ, DOD, DHS and other security agencies over correct classification/declassification procedure and documentation. There is much already in several books and at least one trial regarding how poorly Trump handled such documents and how little regard he has for correct security procedures.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 05:40 PM

50. Let them rule in his favor and watch

You think public opinion is bad now? Let the Extreme 6 rule for him and watch how low it goes. And how loud the screams for reform are.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #50)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 06:15 PM

52. The conservative SCOTUS is corrupt because it was placed there corruptly.

If they rule in that criminal bastard's favor then that should put the idea of expanding the court on steroids.

It needs to be done.

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #52)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 06:46 PM

54. Yup.

It needs to happen, and something like that would just energize it.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 06:04 PM

51. Ah, I see. It's only 30

pages or so; the rest is appendix.

"The Government’s position presumes
certain documents are in fact classified, affording President Trump no opportunity to
contend otherwise. This presumption is at the core of the dispute. Since President
Trump had absolute authority over classification decisions during his Presidency, the
current status of any disputed document cannot possibly be determined solely by
reference to the markings on that document. This, again, is why the District Court
exercised its discretion to appoint a special master. Otherwise, the unchallenged
views of the current Justice Department would supersede the established authority
of the Chief Executive."

It just burns me up. The "Chief Executive" is BIDEN. He delegated certain decisions to the Archivist, who, after appropriate consultation, then referred the matter to DOJ, and turned down Trump's request for an extension.

And, this is their argument? That Trump just "thunk" them into a nonclassified status?? REALLY??? So, if a stamped classified doc was sitting in its folder in its spot, someone could walk in, declare it unclassified, and Trump could have it? ARE YOU JOKING???

Maybe it IS time for a few million FOIA requests.

I think it is their intent to dispute every last fricking classified document, until they all die of extreme old age. Yet, they want for both Dearie, Cannon and themselves to be able to view such documents.

People, thanks a helluva lot for helping this POS grifter into the Presidency. If you want to make up for your appalling lack of judgment, help us deliver the House and Senate to the Dems and a true Patriot, BIDEN.

TRUMP IS A POS, A LOSER, AND SO ARE HIS WIFE AND KIDS. Maybe not Barron. We'll see.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 06:41 PM

53. Here's a quick thread on what Trump's emergency application to SCOTUS is really asking for.

SLAPPableHat Retweeted

1. Having fully digested , here's a quick #thread on what it's really asking for, why it's not *entirely* laughable, and why I nevertheless think that it's both (1) doomed to fail; and (2) unlikely to accomplish much even if it succeeds:


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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 07:03 PM

56. They don't have to hear it to throw a wrench in things.

All they have to do is make the decision whether or not to hear it on the docket at the end of the session. SCOTUS usually ends their session in late June / early July.

I personally don't think they'd hear it. If they find in Trump's favor, they're changing the role of the Executive branch to let ex-Presidents keep some type of Executive authority. If they find against Trump, they're looking at potential consequences nationwide from Trump's followers. But, if they delay it until June / July 2023? That's past when Trump would have declared whether or not he's running in 2024. It gums up the gears of the entire stack of cases against him.

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Response to TXPaganBanker (Reply #56)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 07:37 PM

58. I don't think so really.

I'm no Constitutional legal mind but this is an emergency remember?

Scheduling it in June kinda makes a mockery of that.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #58)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 07:40 PM

59. It's only an emegency...

if SCOTUS thinks it's an emergency. Otherwise... get in line.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 07:47 PM

61. I didn't know non-government officials - ie regular citizens - could send things to SCOTUS

I always thought there was a process to go through, wind your way through the courts. Sometimes takes ten years or more. Except for current gov't officials, who sometimes seem to be able to bypass all that.

Do they have a filing window where anyone can do this?

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Response to NullTuples (Reply #61)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 10:50 PM

68. Private citizens who are parties to a case can appeal it.

Not sure why or where you got the idea that private citizens can't seek emergency relief at the Supreme Court.

Here's a good primer on the emergency motions practice. https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/reportersguide.pdf

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Response to onenote (Reply #68)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 10:54 PM

69. My apologies, I mean with any realistic chance of them taking it. Yet he seems so sure...

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Response to swag (Original post)

Tue Oct 4, 2022, 07:50 PM

62. DOJ has a deadline of 5 p.m. Tuesday, October 11, to respond.

I wonder if he is warming up to a graymail defense.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 01:28 AM

71. John Dean said the Con's argument of an emergency is quite weak, doesn't look like it will stand

Deny, delay, distract - they know it will fail so is what this is all about.


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Response to swag (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 01:33 AM

72. Trump is such a schmuck!

Clarence Thomas should tread very lightly - he could become an impeached SC justice in a heartbeat.

In reality, if the Supreme Court takes this appeal on their “shadow docket”, it will be the end of the Court as we know it.

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Response to swag (Original post)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 12:09 PM

74. Appeals court *grants* DOJ motion to expedite appeal of Judge Cannon's order

A speedy appeal of Judge Loose Cannon's orders by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals may give the SCOTUS another reason to reject TFG's appeal to the SCOTUS

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