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Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:21 PM

Dearie asks Trump lawyers whether they believe FBI lied about seized documents

Source: Washington Post

The Mar-a-Lago special master on Thursday ordered Donald Trump’s lawyers to state in a court filing whether they believe FBI agents lied about documents seized from the former president’s Florida residence in a court-authorized search last month, or claimed to have taken items that were not actually in Trump’s possession.

In a Thursday afternoon filing, U.S. District Judge Raymond J. Dearie — the special master — told Trump’s legal team to state by Sept. 30 whether they believe any of the seized items were incorrectly described in the Justice Department’s 11-page inventory list, which said some of the documents were highly classified. Dearie also told them to say whether they are claiming that any items on the inventory list were not in fact taken from the premises. Trump has said on social media and in television interviews that the FBI planted items and described as classified documents that he had declassified when they searched his Mar-A-Lago residence and private club on Aug. 8.

His lawyers have not asserted that in court, however, instead saying they have not reviewed the seized materials and are unable to confirm whether the government’s inventory list is accurate. Dearie’s order marks the first time that a courts has demanded that Trump’s lawyers back up his claims. “The submission shall be Plaintiff’s final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory,” he wrote. It’s a striking difference from how Judge Aileen Cannon — the Florida-based judge who granted Trump’s request to appoint a special master earlier this month — has handled her part of the case.

Cannon never asked Trump’s lawyers to explain why they thought the inventory list may be inaccurate or why they implied that some of the documents that were labeled as classified were not actually classified. Dearie gave the government — which is investigating the potential mishandling of classified information at Mar-a-Lago — until Monday to submit a statement declaring whether its inventory list is a full and accurate representation of what was seized. The government must also later respond to any factual disputes that Trump’s team raises in its filings.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/22/dearie-trump-order-declassify/



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Reply Dearie asks Trump lawyers whether they believe FBI lied about seized documents (Original post)
BumRushDaShow Thursday OP
getagrip_already Thursday #1
underpants Thursday #18
FakeNoose Thursday #28
calimary Sunday #68
Botany Thursday #2
grumpyduck Thursday #3
Walleye Thursday #6
Walleye Thursday #4
SergeStorms Thursday #36
Walleye Thursday #37
SergeStorms Thursday #38
yonder Thursday #43
Walleye Thursday #54
VWolf Friday #59
yonder Friday #63
Volaris Thursday #46
Walleye Thursday #48
Cha Thursday #52
Walleye Thursday #53
Wednesdays Friday #65
Walleye Friday #66
intrepidity Thursday #5
Walleye Thursday #8
intrepidity Thursday #10
Walleye Thursday #11
intrepidity Thursday #12
Walleye Thursday #14
intrepidity Thursday #17
speak easy Thursday #19
erronis Thursday #21
SheltieLover Thursday #29
Laura PourMeADrink Thursday #39
SheltieLover Thursday #41
Laura PourMeADrink Thursday #44
sdfernando Thursday #51
zuul Thursday #9
Ponietz Thursday #13
zuul Thursday #15
Walleye Thursday #16
LoisB Thursday #22
BumRushDaShow Thursday #23
Gore1FL Thursday #27
FailureToCommunicate Thursday #30
ShazzieB Thursday #32
yonder Thursday #45
crickets Thursday #56
EndlessWire Friday #64
calimary Saturday #67
ZonkerHarris Thursday #40
halfulglas Thursday #7
Botany Thursday #20
calimary Thursday #35
Botany Thursday #55
intheflow Friday #62
multigraincracker Thursday #24
maxsolomon Thursday #25
orleans Thursday #26
Walleye Thursday #49
Laura PourMeADrink Thursday #47
Novara Thursday #31
JustABozoOnThisBus Thursday #33
ZonkerHarris Thursday #42
BumRushDaShow Thursday #50
JustABozoOnThisBus Friday #57
BumRushDaShow Friday #58
ShazzieB Thursday #34
Maeve Friday #60
BumRushDaShow Friday #61
prodigitalson Sunday #69

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:24 PM

1. everything he has said so far amounts to...

Why the F is this on my plate? Why didn't judge cannon handle this question?

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:37 PM

18. Ha ha great point

I came out of retirement for THIS??

Not a lawyer but your post sounds like what I’ve heard in the office before. Without the F but we all knew it was there.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:43 PM

28. And it's lucky for us that he IS handling these questions as the Special Master

Judge Cannon has already proven that she cannot be fair or impartial.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #28)

Sun Sep 25, 2022, 12:41 PM

68. Yep. This. I'm glad Dearie's in the picture.

You shouldn’t complain, donald. YOU picked him.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:24 PM

2. Judge Dearie did not come to play.

“The submission shall be Plaintiff’s final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to completeness and
accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory,” he wrote.

IOW to TFG's lawyers do you want to perjure your selfs in front of my court?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:26 PM

3. Judge Dearie: "Okay, guys, put up or STFU." nt

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Response to grumpyduck (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:27 PM

6. And you have one week. They really fucked up when they pick a real judge

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:27 PM

4. Trump is afraid he will be convicted on the law he made into a felony.So he is crying not classified

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Response to Walleye (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:20 PM

36. Well, when you can declassify anything just by....

thinking about them, why worry?

"Some people say you can do that, and it's perfectly legal".

Please produce affidavits from these people, Mr. Trump. Tell them to provide their CVs as well.

What a dipshit.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #36)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:22 PM

37. Big strong man came up with tears streaming down his face and said, sir you can declassify anything

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Response to Walleye (Reply #37)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:24 PM

38. You got it!

You have him down to a T.

I'm surprised he didn't say that on Hannity. Maybe he's saving it for tonight.

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Response to Walleye (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:42 PM

43. That's one ironically comical aspect of this whole thing.

TFG trying to show Hillary a thing or two about classification....and he'll likely get hoisted by his own petard.

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Response to yonder (Reply #43)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:18 PM

54. The very phrase jumped into my mind

Thank you William Shakespeare

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Response to yonder (Reply #43)

Fri Sep 23, 2022, 08:48 AM

59. Next week:

TDFG: "I don't even know that law. I might have met it a long time ago. Maybe it got coffee for me once."

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Response to Walleye (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:47 PM

46. That's gonna be the icing on the cake of his indictment...

Charged with breaking his own fucking law.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:01 PM

48. He really did look scared. Five years in prison

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Response to Walleye (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:15 PM

52. That's right! Just Deserts!



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Response to Cha (Reply #52)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:18 PM

53. This is going to require several petards to hoist him on

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Response to Walleye (Reply #53)

Fri Sep 23, 2022, 02:40 PM

65. And a crane. nt

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #65)

Fri Sep 23, 2022, 02:41 PM

66. Thank you for that visual image. I will laugh every time I think of it

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:27 PM

5. Hahah, call out his BS!

Can't wait to see his response.

Bet it goes like this: I can't be sure because they won't let me examine what they took!

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:29 PM

8. He doesn't even remember the things he declassified in his mind?

Simple look at the list. If you didn’t have possession of something on there, now is your chance to say so.

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Response to Walleye (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:30 PM

10. "I didn't have any classified docs!"

Wait for it....

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:31 PM

11. I hope he says that in court

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Response to Walleye (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:34 PM

12. Then FBI shows the fingerprints lol nt

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:35 PM

14. And videotape

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Response to Walleye (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:36 PM

17. Even better! nt

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Response to Walleye (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:40 PM

19. TFG knows Exactly what he declassified ...

person, woman, man, camera, TV

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Response to speak easy (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:57 PM

21. Big grin!

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Response to Walleye (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:45 PM

29. Some of those docs are said to be so sensitive, they cannot be put on any list

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #29)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:27 PM

39. Exactly. Don't know lots of details but the question that popped

In my head was, does the trump team have a real list? How can they say a list is accurate unless they literally took notes or had a good list? Know they're blowing smoke, but it seems impossible

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:29 PM

41. I couldn't agree more!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #41)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:43 PM

44. Maybe that's what they will argue? That they had no idea what was in the boxes

The boxes? I guess it kind of depends on what they did during the search. Did the FBI sit down with somebody and say okay number one, here's a classified document, number two here's a newspaper clipping, etc etc

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Response to Walleye (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:13 PM

51. Asked to list what he declassified tfg responded with

Person - Woman - Man - Camera - TV.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:30 PM

9. The ketchup must be flying today!

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Response to zuul (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:34 PM

13. Heinz sight is 2020.

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:35 PM

15. . . .

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:36 PM

16. You win

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:58 PM

22. Bravo.

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:00 PM

23. DUzy!

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:39 PM

27. +1

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:46 PM

30. Dew Zee !!!

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:04 PM

32. That's the punniest thing I've heard all day!

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:45 PM

45. One more: Bravo!

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 10:53 PM

56. Hilarious! I gift wrapped this internet just for you: 🎁

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 23, 2022, 01:22 PM

64. LOL! n/t

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 24, 2022, 01:09 PM

67. An all-time GREAT post! O. M. G. !!!

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:27 PM

40. Trumps response, and the response his lawyers are willing to give to the court, will be two differen

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:28 PM

7. I think I'm in love with this judge.

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Response to halfulglas (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 04:46 PM

20. Judge Dearie did not come to play.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/raymond-dearie-special-master-reviewing-mar-lago-documents/story

He is old school and if you are in his court room you had better bring your A game. Now Trump can
on Fox or go in front of a MAGA rally in Youngstown and lie his ass off but his lawyers know they
can't say made up shit like, "President Trump already declassified those documents so it is all OK."

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Response to Botany (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:18 PM

35. Although the ding-dongs who show up at trump rallies

will swallow ANYTHING he feeds them. Including shit.

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Response to calimary (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:08 PM

55. "The ding-dongs who show up at trump rallies."

I think the majority of those ding dongs know down deep that Trump is lying to them as
he is picking their pockets but the hateful, anti educational, racist shit he spews scratches
their hateful, anti educational, and racist shit itches.

BTW for the love of dog I wish the media would cover the fact that it is the same people
who go to his rallies time after time.

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Response to calimary (Reply #35)

Fri Sep 23, 2022, 11:13 AM

62. Yes, EVERYONE is corrupted by the Deep State.

Because many of his QAnon followers know nothing about law, government, or the justice system beyond what fictions they binge on Netflix, they will believe his lawyers were bought out by powerful Jews and Black people driven to "final solution" Trump and his followers for political gain. It must be exhausting to be so dumb and blind to reality.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:01 PM

24. OH, that's very different and in that case.....

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:33 PM

25. Trump and his lawyers have no idea if the Gubmint's inventory is accurate or not.

They had no inventory of their own; they just had boxes of stuff.

Dearie doesn't tolerate malarkey.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:39 PM

26. exactly! they have no idea of what would be an accurate inventory


They had no inventory of their own; they just had boxes of stuff.



this a million times!

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Response to orleans (Reply #26)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:04 PM

49. After months and months of dicking around with NARA

You’d think he could’ve had one of his minions at least write up a list of stuff. He doesn’t want to let anybody in on his secrets. Wasn’t Kash Patel supposed to be taking care of this

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:55 PM

47. So won't they argue that? If I was being accused, that

would be my defense... I know nuttin. And if they found my fingerprints I just say "well I may have touched this in 2017!" Now if the government has a video of me sitting in that room reading through the docs, that's a 100% different story

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 05:54 PM

31. fuck around and find out

Life looks a lot different with a judge who follows the law rather than sucks your ass, doesn't it, orange fuck?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:05 PM

33. Can a judge legally ask that question of a lawyer? Turn the lawyer into a character witness?

The lawyer, no matter what he "believes", is obligated to defend his client. If he stands in court and says he doesn't believe the client, that seems like grounds for appeal, incompetent representation or something like that.

It just seems like a dumb question, even if all parties "know", with a wink and a nod, that the client is slinging bullshit.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:29 PM

42. I think he's giving them a warning here

I think he’s giving them a warning here
Based on the fact that we already know trumps lawyers have submitted false documents to the government ascertaining that all the documents have been returned already.
I think he’s testing them. He’s testing them to see if they’re gonna make the same sort of false claims in his court ruled that were made to the DOJ already by other lawyers for Trump

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 07:05 PM

50. This judge (who is acting as a Special Master)

is asking them to basically clarify and attest to what they believe the problems were with the search process and what was seized. They had a hearing earlier in the week and I think this is probably more fallout from that. Another part of the OP article notes this -

(snip)

Dearie’s order, in essence, demands that Trump’s lawyers back up their client’s claims. “This submission shall be Plaintiff’s final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to the completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory,” he wrote.

At a hearing Tuesday, Dearie pressed Trump’s lawyers to take a position on whether the classified documents were, as Trump has said, declassified, but they demurred.

(snip)


The government is also given an opportunity to address any assertions of impropriety, the veracity of their seizure, and accuracy of the inventory of what was to be taken, and what was actually taken.

But note that what they are doing isn't a "trial" with some outcome that can be "appealed". It's setting up the ground rules for document review - which is going to be looking at some 11,000 items, and that will now exclude anything that was marked as "Classified" (at any level).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #50)

Fri Sep 23, 2022, 04:41 AM

57. Thanks, that clarifies it.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #57)

Fri Sep 23, 2022, 05:14 AM

58. You're welcome!

The last time something like this got "in the news" was when Michael Cohen had a Special Master assigned to go through the items collected from his apartment, office, and a hotel room he was using.

A retired federal judge ruled that less than 0.2% of all the Michael Cohen documents are privileged
Allan Smith
Aug 16, 2018, 6:39 PM

(snip)

The special master overseeing the document review in the federal investigation into Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former longtime lawyer, has ruled that roughly 0.2% of the more than 4 million documents seized by the FBI from the attorney are covered by attorney-client privilege.

Barbara Jones, a retired federal judge appointed to oversee the review, wrote in her final report to US District Judge Kimba Wood on Thursday that nearly 7,500 documents were either privileged, highly personal, or partially privileged. Cohen claimed privilege over slightly more than 12,000 of the 4 million-plus documents, and is not challenging any of Jones's rulings with Wood.

In a filing that was posted shortly after Jones's final report, Wood wrote that the parties must file any objections to Jones's determinations to the court by Friday evening.

Cohen is the focus of a criminal investigation in the Southern District of New York into whether he violated campaign-finance laws, committed bank fraud or wire fraud, engaged in illegal lobbying, or participated in other crimes. The FBI raided Cohen's home, hotel room, and office in April, seizing more than 4 million documents from Trump's longtime lawyer.

(snip)

https://www.businessinsider.com/special-master-rules-few-michael-cohen-documents-privileged-2018-8


However little of that process ever got dissected in the media like what is going on right now!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 06:13 PM

34. Judge Dearie is my hero!

I hereby award him this:

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Sep 23, 2022, 08:57 AM

60. Lots of people thought this judge would be in tRump's pocket

And lots of people were badly mistaken.

Thanks for the updates and explanations, my friend!

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Response to Maeve (Reply #60)

Fri Sep 23, 2022, 09:20 AM

61. It was good to see!

So far since the 2020 elections and the 60+ idiotic lawsuits from the Kracken crew (and their GOP state/federal supporters), almost all of the cases - many with rulings by 45-appointed judges - failed, some even not only including similar scathing rebukes, but "dismissing with prejudice".

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Response to Maeve (Reply #60)

Sun Sep 25, 2022, 03:07 PM

69. he is a right winger

of the old school Reagan law and order variety. he's been a judge for a thousand years and undoubtedly has plenty of practice dealing with lawyers who fuck around in his court.

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