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Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:08 PM

House passes bill to prevent efforts to subvert presidential election results

Last edited Wed Sep 21, 2022, 07:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Washington Post

The House voted Wednesday to pass an electoral reform bill that seeks to prevent presidents from trying to overturn election results through Congress, the first vote on such an effort since the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob seeking to stop the certification of Joe Biden’s electoral win. The bill passed on a 229-203 vote, with just nine Republicans breaking ranks and joining Democrats in supporting the measure.

The Presidential Election Reform Act, written by Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), explicitly cites the Capitol attack as a reason to amend the Electoral Count Act of 1887, “to prevent other future unlawful efforts to overturn Presidential elections and to ensure future peaceful transfers of Presidential power.” “Legal challenges are not improper, but Donald Trump’s refusal to abide by the rulings of the courts certainly was,” Cheney said Wednesday during House debate on the measure. “In our system of government, elections in the states determine who is the president. Our bill does not change that. But this bill will prevent Congress from illegally choosing the president itself.”

Later, Cheney added, “This bill is a very important and crucial bill to ensure that what happened on January 6 never happens again.” President Donald Trump had falsely told his supporters that Vice President Mike Pence had the power to reject electoral votes already certified by the states. Pence did not do so — and has repeatedly emphasized that the Constitution provides the vice president with no such authority. But on Jan. 6, many in the pro-Trump mob that overran the Capitol began chanting, “Hang Mike Pence!” on the misguided belief that the vice president could have stopped Congress from certifying Biden’s victory.

The Presidential Election Reform Act would clearly reaffirm that the vice president has no role in validating a presidential election beyond acting as a figurehead who oversees the counting process, barring that person from changing the results. It also would expand the threshold necessary for members of both chambers to object to a state’s results, as well as clarify the role governors play in the process. Finally, it would make clear that state legislatures can’t change election rules retroactively to alter the results.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/21/house-election-jan-6-reform/



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This is technically part of the point of the J6 Committee - their investigation and results of that, eventually to be compiled into a final report, would be usable for Congress to draft legislation like this, that will close loopholes in existing laws and try to try to prevent what happened with the 2020 election (that continues to happen), from happening again.

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SheltieLover Sep 21 #6
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mahina Sep 22 #11
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:31 PM

1. Sadly it will go to the senate to die because of the filibuster.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:52 PM

3. The Senate has a similar companion bill...

S.4573 - Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022

And that actually has 9 GOP co-sponsors.

Here are all those who signed on the Senate version -

Cosponsor Date Cosponsored

Sen. Manchin, Joe, III [D-WV]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Portman, Rob [R-OH]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Sinema, Kyrsten [D-AZ]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Romney, Mitt [R-UT]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Shaheen, Jeanne [D-NH]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Murkowski, Lisa [R-AK]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Warner, Mark R. [D-VA]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Tillis, Thomas [R-NC]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Murphy, Christopher [D-CT]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Capito, Shelley Moore [R-WV]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Cardin, Benjamin L. [D-MD]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Young, Todd [R-IN]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Coons, Christopher A. [D-DE]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Sasse, Ben [R-NE]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Graham, Lindsey [R-SC]* 07/20/2022
Sen. Grassley, Chuck [R-IA] 08/06/2022
Sen. Hickenlooper, John W. [D-CO] 08/06/2022



So all they need is one more to vote for cloture and away that version goes to be debated/amended and possibly even used as "a substitute" for the House bill (where if the Senate passes it, it goes to the House for a vote, preferably without amendments, and is done).

EDIT TO ADD THIS (so they have "10" ) -

Sponsor: Sen. Collins, Susan M. [R-ME] (Introduced 07/20/2022)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:54 PM

5. Thank you I hope it passes

But I don’t trust some of those republicans when it comes for a vote

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 21, 2022, 07:09 PM

7. Actually I relooked because I saw a missing name and the SPONSOR

is Ms. Concerned herself.

Sponsor: Sen. Collins, Susan M. [R-ME] (Introduced 07/20/2022)


So at least the Senate version has 10 who would vote for cloture as sponsor and co-sponsors.

We shall see...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:55 PM

6. Excellent! 👏👏👏👏

Ty!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 21, 2022, 10:19 PM

9. Count me suspicious


I would be concerned that any Republican version would have some loophole(s) that would allow them to subvert the vote of the people. Certainly, the House will need a VERY hard look at it.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:23 AM

11. Thanks! Great news!

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Response to mahina (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 12:35 PM

13. Just saw that Teabagger Toomey from here in PA, just signed onto the Senate version

However the article where I saw it was indicating that there were some differences between the House and Senate version, so they are going to have to do some wrangling.

Toomey is backing a bill to change how Electoral College votes are counted — and avoid the chaos of 2020

The Pennsylvania senator would be the 10th Republican co-sponsor of the Electoral Count Reform Act, giving it enough formal GOP

by Jonathan Tamari
Published an hour ago

Sen. Pat Toomey (R., Pa.) will co-sponsor a bipartisan bill to reform how Electoral College votes are certified, adding more Republican weight to the push to avoid a repeat of the attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election. Toomey would be the 10th Republican co-sponsor of the Electoral Count Reform Act, giving it enough formal GOP support to clear a filibuster and pass the Senate if all 50 Democrats also support the plan. Other Republicans have also expressed openness to the plan, so it could already have the votes needed to secure passage. But Toomey’s move puts a 10th Republican name on the bill.

(snip)

Toomey announced his backing for the Senate bill a day after the House approved a competing plan supported by the chamber’s Democrats but widely opposed by Republicans. A number of GOP lawmakers who support some reform have urged Democratic leaders to focus on the bipartisan Senate proposal. Toomey, who is not seeking reelection, was one of seven Republican senators who voted to convict Trump in his impeachment trial after the riot.

(snip)

Toomey’s support doesn’t guarantee that the reform will make it into law, given the competing versions of the legislation. Both aim to patch the weaknesses that Trump sought to exploit. Among other changes, they would make it harder for members of Congress to object to a state’s electoral votes.

(snip)

Key Senate leaders plan to hold a committee hearing on the Senate plan next week. But any hopes for a full Senate vote will likely have to wait until after the Nov. 8 midterm elections, given other pressing deadlines and the limited time Congress has scheduled in session between now and then. If the two chambers pass different versions of a reform, they would have to work out their differences in the narrow window between the election and when a new Congress takes office in early January.

Published Sept. 22, 2022

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/pat-toomey-electoral-count-reform-act-20220922.html

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 21, 2022, 07:17 PM

8. I think it will pass the senate

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2022, 06:36 PM

2. But will it pass senate?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 03:07 AM

10. This bill has further implications than just peaceful transfer of power at the highest level

Sec of states that claim they have the power to not certify the vote really do not as most state laws are worded that their certification is symbolic only and they have no power to overturn popular vote.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Thu Sep 22, 2022, 11:30 AM

12. r&k Excellent.

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