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Sat Jul 30, 2022, 02:56 PM

Sinema indicates she may want to change Schumer-Manchin deal

Source: Axios

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) had a message for her Democratic colleagues before she flew home to Arizona for the weekend: She's preserving her options.

Why it matters: Sinema has leverage and she knows it. Any potential modification to the Democrat's climate and deficit reduction package ó like knocking out the $14 billion provision on carried interest ó could cause the fragile deal to collapse.

Her posture is causing something between angst and fear in the Democratic caucus as senators wait for her to render a verdict on the secret deal announced by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sen. Joe Manchin last Thursday.

Driving the news: Sinema has given no assurances to colleagues that sheíll vote along party lines in the so-called ďvote-a-ramaĒ for the $740 billion bill next week, according to people familiar with the matter.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/2022/07/30/sinema-schumer-manchin-deal-democrats



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Reply Sinema indicates she may want to change Schumer-Manchin deal (Original post)
Lasher Jul 2022 OP
SergeStorms Jul 2022 #1
Takket Jul 2022 #3
brush Jul 2022 #6
Eyeball_Kid Jul 2022 #14
AZLD4Candidate Jul 2022 #24
AZLD4Candidate Jul 2022 #23
FakeNoose Jul 2022 #32
jimfields33 Jul 2022 #68
Rebl2 Jul 2022 #52
vsrazdem Jul 2022 #63
bermudat Jul 2022 #83
NotHardly Jul 2022 #86
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2022 #89
durablend Jul 2022 #2
femmedem Jul 2022 #7
Mister Ed Jul 2022 #8
mucifer Jul 2022 #11
Mister Ed Jul 2022 #16
mucifer Jul 2022 #41
Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #27
PortTack Jul 2022 #12
Mister Ed Jul 2022 #17
duckworth969 Jul 2022 #44
femmedem Jul 2022 #45
2naSalit Jul 2022 #77
qazplm135 Jul 2022 #28
BootinUp Jul 2022 #46
femmedem Jul 2022 #47
quakerboy Jul 2022 #88
mucifer Jul 2022 #4
agingdem Jul 2022 #42
comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #48
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comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #54
agingdem Jul 2022 #65
intheflow Jul 2022 #81
tavernier Jul 2022 #60
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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:01 PM

1. I hope she's enjoyed...

her one any only term as a Senator.

She doesn't really care though. She probably has a nice 6 figure job all lined up with the pharmaceutical industry, her benefactors.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:04 PM

3. yeah she's always been in this to sell her votes and line up the lobbying job afterwards

when she's voted out she'll be laughing all the way to the bank

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:08 PM

6. Agreed. Talk about not living up to the office. She's made a...

complete, hot mess of her one term in office. I can't imagine or remember anyone on the Dem side handling it worst.

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Response to brush (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:18 PM

14. As a Senator, has Sinema ever STOOD FOR ANYTHING?

The only image I have of her is her obstruction her pandering to wealth.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:29 PM

24. Changing to year round DST

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:29 PM

23. We in AZ are going to primary her ass as soon as we can!

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:54 PM

32. I hope so!

Her 15 minutes of fame were up long ago.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 08:20 PM

68. I just hope republicans don't play games and change registration and vote for her

Thatís why I hate Wyoming doing this. Itís not good. Let each candidate win or lose on their own.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:52 PM

52. Who is

running against her?

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #52)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:09 PM

63. Raul Grijalva has been asked to run by many in AZ.

He is in the house, from Tucson area.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:38 AM

83. Try 7 figure

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 03:09 PM

86. That ONE phucking person can literally kill democracy has got to phucking STOP

When one can power over the many, that is not, I repeat, that is NOT a democracy.

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Response to NotHardly (Reply #86)

Mon Aug 1, 2022, 08:49 AM

89. Restore democracy -- abolish the filibuster. n/t

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:04 PM

2. Here we go.

As expected

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Response to durablend (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:10 PM

7. I don't understand why she wasn't included in the Schumer/Manchin talks.

Especially since the deal includes something she's already publicly opposed.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:15 PM

8. I have no confidence that she would bargain in good faith if included.

Perhaps those in the Senate, who know her best, have the same feeling.

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:17 PM

11. Then why even try to make a deal?!! What's the

Point

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Response to mucifer (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:21 PM

16. Who knows?

Who knows what gets discussed in the back rooms and the cloakrooms of the Senate? I sure don't.

They must've thought there was some way to pressure her or corner her or bribe her or cajole her into going along. And maybe there is. Who knows?

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:15 PM

41. Just need one billionaire to pay her off

5 million or something to save the effing planet

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:41 PM

27. Frankly, given his recent past,

I have doubts Manchin is bargaining in good faith. He has a long way to go for me to have faith his negotiations.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:17 PM

12. No one was included. Sinema would have run to turtle and spilled the beans causing the CHIPS

Bill to possibly fail as well as this one

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Response to PortTack (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:22 PM

17. That's probably the answer right there. n/t

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Response to PortTack (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:20 PM

44. Yep

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Response to PortTack (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:22 PM

45. I think you're right.

I was just going to edit my post to say the same thing.

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Response to PortTack (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:19 AM

77. Yup...

She's more dangerous inside negotiations because she can't be trusted not to rat out the whole thing.

Maybe she's been snubbed while trying to sabotage negotiations because she was found out. Maybe she's having a mad over it. Maybe she'll just quietly vote with the rest of the party in the end. She is a drama queen but maybe she sees that everybody hates her for her actions. Maybe a repug or two will vote for it.



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Response to femmedem (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:44 PM

28. it's pretty clear

1. Manchin is firm on carried interest (and it's a popular provision).
2. Sinema is against it so any negotiation that involved them both would have led to nothing.
3. So Schumer decided to get Manchin on board alone. Manchin is in WV and faces no leftward pressure at all. Manchin can afford to simply say no with zero consequences in his state.
4. OTOH Sinema has real leftward pressure in her next primary. It's not so easy to say no IF re-election matters to her (it may not).
5. To this point, Sinema has never been the one and only Senator blocking something, she's always had Manchin for cover. Now she's alone.

I'm guessing Schumer decided to put her on an island. It's a lot easier to say no behind closed doors during negotiations than it is when this is a deal that the media is more or less selling positively, the entire caucus is behind, climate activists are even saying the climate stuff is actually decent, and even Manchin is on board with adding in that not passing it means huge healthcare increases and by the way, we don't have much time left to pass anything.

That's an awful lot for a first term Senator to say no to.

There's also the fact that Sinema is notoriously hard to pin down.

Bottom line, if she's really going to torpedo this over carried interest for a handful of rich people...then she's not a Democrat and she was never going to agree to anything anyways.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:22 PM

46. Agree with your analysis. nt

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:23 PM

47. Yes, I think you are correct.

I hope it pays off. And on further reflection, this probably was the only possible path forward.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 11:33 PM

88. Because she and manchin are playing a game

Manchin gets "concessions" to get it done (not incidentally incensing/depressing liberals with the losses) , then Synema torpedoes the deal. So then she gets concessions (not incidentally incensing and breaking trust of youth and moderates with the sacrifices), and he can torpedo it.

In the end they will both get far more from private/right wing interests for obstructing and simultaneously convincing Democrats to break trust with voters on our policy promises than anything they are likely to get in negotiations

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:04 PM

4. I hate her. I knew she would do this . Someone is paying her off greedy and evil

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Response to mucifer (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:16 PM

42. I may be a little too optimistic but

I have a sneaking suspicion Manchin and Sinema are about to have serious chat..this is Manchin's moment and I don't think he's going to allow Cruella/Betty Boop to crater his deal and steal his glory

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Response to agingdem (Reply #42)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:26 PM

48. You might be right. Manchin really is a much more competent

politician than Sinema. I suspect he can be pretty persuasive when he needs to be. He won't let Sinema ruin his moment of glory.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #48)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:53 PM

53. Manchin has been a "red line" drawer since Biden became president.

Just like the SCOTUS is remaking society into its warped view of what we should be doing (as opposed to the 70% that support abortion), Manchin has been reordering the economic foundations of the financial sector to resemble the GQP's goals of keeping taxpayers money in the pockets of the rich and corporations.

As for Sinema, during her last campaign she said over and over again she would work to bring down drug prices. Now she's taking the opposite position. Who would have known that she could be bought off by large donations by the pharmaceutical sector.

It's turning out that the biggest obstacles to producing the results that the majority of Americans want are in the Democratic Party. Sheesh! Just think of how much good we could be doing without these two miscreants blocking nearly every Biden proposal.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #53)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:57 PM

54. Without those two Democratic senators Mitch McConnel would

be Senate Majority Leader. And none of Biden's agenda would have been passed. And none of Biden's judicial appointments would have been approved.

Would that make you happy?

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #54)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:38 PM

65. I agree...

I can't stand Manchin or Sinema but I appreciate their designated "D" presence in the Senate, and their vote..most of the time

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #54)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:17 AM

81. No need to go there.

The poster youíre replying to isnít saying they want Repukes in M&Sís seats, just saying they wish the miscreants werenít there. I read it as not wanting these DINOs, and also assumed they want actual Democrats in those seats.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:38 PM

60. Hating someone is like drinking poison

and then waiting for them to die.

Youíre better off using your energy on something positive.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:07 PM

5. Will gladly donate to Raul Grijalva's campaign to primary Sinema.

Or anyone else's for that matter.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:16 PM

9. fuck sinema

that's it

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:17 PM

10. I am so effing sick of these two

We can win OH and PA and make them irrelevant.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:18 PM

13. Only if we keep the house

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Response to mucifer (Reply #13)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:28 PM

19. Very true about getting anything done

But even if we lost the House, these two would still be irrelevant. Not much comfort.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:21 PM

15. There's Lucy grabbing the football again

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:07 PM

38. ☝🏾THIS☝🏾

*exactly*

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:28 PM

18. This is why we need a +2 Democratic controlled Senate.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:29 PM

20. We can do it

Really, we can.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:29 PM

21. Sinema is a middle school mean girl...

displaying all the "symptoms" of Feeling Left Out..

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Response to agingdem (Reply #21)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:36 PM

25. Definitely out of her league

and outclassed.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:29 PM

22. Literally nobody expects anything from this Congress

 

Celebrate what?



If anything decent gets passed ever, it's pretty much like found money. The default is bullshit and inaction.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:40 PM

26. She is jealous that Manchin is the hero!!

and no, I do not think Manchin is a hero.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:50 PM

29. Why won't 1 R step up so we don't have to deal with this yoyo

come on...

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:53 PM

30. Drama Queens crave drama.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:54 PM

31. Of course.

Let me guess...she wants to nix the whole Medicare-being-able-to-negotiate-lower-prescription-costs thing.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #31)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 09:55 PM

72. The thing this clip doesn't show is her tapping McConnell on the shoulder to get him to watch her

When she entered the chamber to vote, she tapped McConnell on the shoulder so that he'd turn around and watch her as she performed her little act. FWIW, he didn't turn around and watch her.

Sinema, he's just not that into you.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:55 PM

33. Make. Her. Vote.

Donít go changing everything over a threat. Make her take a stand and then deal with it. All this tacit bs is getting us nowhere.

Make.

Her.

Vote.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 03:57 PM

34. bad Dem, bad Dem

1st manchin fails to carry the ball and now her. God.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:04 PM

35. "Former Mormon" absolutely wouldn't shit in the punch bowl. She promises with a crossed heart.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:04 PM

36. she doesn't represent the people of Arizona

she is only in it to make money, its all a moneygame for her. I bet they could bribe her and she would take it.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:06 PM

37. Ugh...

I posted this on Thursday...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16977998

you can read the responses for yourself... if you want.



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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:09 PM

39. She's an evil piece of crap.

I wish she could be primaried this year.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:09 PM

40. When was this ever not going to happen? nt

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:17 PM

43. No sh*t, sherlock.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:34 PM

49. Entirely predictable. Not happy with Schumer.

This should have been resolved before the announcement.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:44 PM

50. As with the passing of Obamacare,

there's a tag-team of Democrats taking turns shooting down the things we want.

It's just her turn

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:51 PM

51. Figures

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 04:58 PM

55. So maybe a couple of Republicans will break for it? Not sure who.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:07 PM

56. I just can't. I just fucking CAN'T!

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Response to dchill (Reply #56)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:32 PM

59. + 1

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:14 PM

57. Oh no

 

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:32 PM

58. after talking to her lobbyists pals for the last few days, now she finally speaks

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:52 PM

61. Kyrsten, we hardly knew ye.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:59 PM

62. Gee whiz--Whenever she starts preserving her options, Dems wind up in somebody else's

jam. Go with the flow, girl!

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:16 PM

64. Hey Sinema, there are millions of seniors on Medicare, do you know how many there are in

Last edited Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Arizona? 2.5 million over the age of 50

I know two of them very personally.........and they know a lot of people in there retirement home / community and they / all are very politically active...... and if your "aides' have any clue on the Political make-up here, here is a refresher......

As of January 1, 2022, Arizona's registered voters include 1,501,302 Republicans (34.5%), 1,364,178 Democrats (31.4%), 36,249 Libertarians (0.8%), and 1,449,711 "Other" (33.3%).......

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 07:32 PM

66. She should be flat out told that if she tanks this bill

and the Senate is anything other than 50/50 she will have no committee assignments, she will not be permitted to co sponsor any bill upon authored by a Democrat, and no Democrat will co sponsor a bill which she authors. Finally, every single solitary Democratic senator will endorse her primary opponent and campaign repeatedly for them.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 08:05 PM

67. I think she's 'Mental'.. n/t

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 08:22 PM

69. The perfect word to call her

Would get me banned. Back in 2016, I was flagged to delete my comment that contained this word.

OK, I did, no sweat.

But, today, I am going to use a phrase that I hope is equally poignant.


She is a DISGUSTING ADULT MEAN-GIRL BRAT.



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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 08:54 PM

70. Sigh. Holding my tongue.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 09:50 PM

71. She wants to be relevant for the last time she ever will be.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #71)

Tue Aug 2, 2022, 11:28 PM

95. Exactly

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2022, 10:58 PM

73. someone's check just cleared the bank.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:14 AM

74. This was predictable.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:49 AM

75. What group tilts her power or re-election? Who buys her votes?

Dems? Inds? Reps? Reps/Corps?

That nasty word will nasty word nasty word any nasty word for the money.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:45 AM

76. I love how nowadays you can can be so openly bought off and corrupt. No need to even

pretend. Good for her!

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 08:34 AM

78. We want to celebrate her change to civilian life

with a primary challenge

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:07 AM

79. She has already lost her seat to an unnamed Democrat

in 2024.

I would not be surprised to see her wreak as much destruction on our party and country as she possibly can until then.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 09:26 AM

80. Not getting enough attention Kyrsten?

It's not about you. It's about your constituents. Try to remember that.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #80)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:00 PM

84. I'm just gonna say it:

 

She's a fucking bimbo!

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:30 AM

82. sure...

...why not?

...and some pick on Bernie for not being a Dem...

...I'm not sure what it means...

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:24 PM

85. Who gives her permission to "rule" the country?

Last I heard Joe Biden is our duly elected President. Not Kyrsten Sinema.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:25 PM

87. Any bets

she's getting bribed and the cash is in a offshore money laundry?

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Mon Aug 1, 2022, 11:18 AM

90. Sinema

Acts like a clown. She is a liar to the people that voted for her.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:05 PM

91. The Biden hating democratic senator said what?

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:12 PM

92. Cluster B Nightmare

Sinema is a raging walking cluster B personality disorder. This is the worst possible outcome for her to be the pivotal vote for the legislation. She LOVES the attention this brings and possibly even the negative attention it might generate. Those around her with half-a-brain will seek to influence her by playing to her narcissism and histrionics.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Mon Aug 1, 2022, 02:28 PM

93. She was invited to discussions but decided not to join.

Now that everyone agrees she wants to get involved and change things to please her billionaire corporate donors.

She is a total asshole!

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Tue Aug 2, 2022, 10:44 AM

94. Axios and Politico ought to be designated as Retrumplican propaganda

So many "Dems in disarray" reporting from those outlets.

I think I will wait to see what happens, but even if it does pass, Axios and Politico will ignore it, except to highlight all the missing ponies "some Dems wanted".

Even when you win, you lose with this media

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Wed Aug 3, 2022, 12:09 AM

96. As a human being, I resent her.

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Response to Lasher (Original post)

Thu Aug 4, 2022, 09:03 AM

97. I think it gets done

She's willing to deal. Give her something token and get her to a yes.

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