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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:31 PM Jun 2022

State education board members push back on proposal to use "involuntary separation" (Texas)

Source: Texas Tribune

A group of Texas educators have proposed to the Texas State Board of Education that slavery should be taught as “involuntary relocation” during second grade social studies instruction, but board members have asked them to reconsider the phrasing, according to the state board’s chair.

“The board -- with unanimous consent -- directed the work group to revisit that specific language,” Keven Ellis, chair of the Texas State Board of Education said in a statement issued late Thursday.

The working group of nine educators, including a professor at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley, is one of many such groups advising the state education board to make curriculum changes. This summer, the board will consider updates to social studies instruction a year after lawmakers passed a law to keep topics that make students “feel discomfort” out of Texas classrooms. The board will have a final vote on the curriculum in November.

The suggested change surfaced late during its June 15 meeting that lasted more than 12 hours. Board member Aicha Davis, a Democrat who represents Dallas and Fort Worth, brought up concerns to the board saying that wording is not a “fair representation” of the slave trade. The board, upon reading the language in the suggested curriculum, sent the working draft back for revision.



Read more: https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/30/texas-slavery-involuntary-relocation/
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State education board members push back on proposal to use "involuntary separation" (Texas) (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2022 OP
Paging George Orwell: Newspeak Alert! n/t TygrBright Jun 2022 #1
Perhaps. Igel Jun 2022 #17
defense of the indefensible DBoon Jul 2022 #24
How about theft of your body instead of theft of your mind like they're doing now? /nt bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #2
Why does anyone with any sense still live in Texas? Why? paleotn Jun 2022 #3
I don't know if this is a rhetorical question. ShazzieB Jun 2022 #14
I get it. It's rhetorical. paleotn Jun 2022 #15
Thank you. You nailed it. Ishoutandscream2 Jul 2022 #27
Manacles will be called "freedom bracelets..." Girard442 Jun 2022 #4
Exactly. This is absolute nonsense. n/t iluvtennis Jun 2022 #8
wow, anyone for some REAL "whitewashing"? fuck these shitbags! bringthePaine Jun 2022 #5
WTF - "involuntary relocation". Sailing ships to the West African course, and hunting down iluvtennis Jun 2022 #6
Totally fucking ridiculous. groundloop Jun 2022 #7
What happens if the parents set the kids straight. I would do it. katmondoo Jun 2022 #9
They will twist themselves into knots rickford66 Jun 2022 #10
I hope enough of us are still around to push back on this nut fuckery. Next they will try to pass LoisB Jun 2022 #11
What would make this student "feel discomfort" is finding out I've been lied to for years and years, progree Jun 2022 #12
Holy shit! the race to the bottom. mountain grammy Jun 2022 #13
The Texas group also recommended referring to the "Trail of Tears" forced march as... LudwigPastorius Jun 2022 #16
Is it time to rewrite the Bible? keithbvadu2 Jul 2022 #18
Enslaved people are now relocated sub minimum wage workers. Marcuse Jul 2022 #19
we need more of us to move to texas sindri Jul 2022 #20
Kids are not stupid and ignorant. They are becoming savvy at a younger age, compared to my Ziggysmom Jul 2022 #21
Voluntary Irish immigration and "Involuntary Separation" of Africans? Paladin Jul 2022 #22
the Irish were "voluntary" migrants DBoon Jul 2022 #25
I am familiar with the background history. Paladin Jul 2022 #26
"involuntary relocation" Bayard Jul 2022 #23

Igel

(35,300 posts)
17. Perhaps.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:27 PM
Jun 2022

Drafts of TEKS revisions are typically posted at the TEA site, the nice staff at TEA apparently haven't posted K-8 drafts. Served on such a revision committee, lots of decisions are constrained by the need to "get to yes." Sometimes we needed to placate a single person, sometimes the text proposed made nobody especially happy, but we all grumbled at the same volume and had no additional time to find phrasing anybody much liked. Usually when we hit a phrase we considered a hot-button topic or which would invite bruised sensitivities we used more abstract phrasing to semantically bleach out emotions or politics. (Which, of course, runs the risk of those offended by having emotions and politics stripped out. My committee's draft proposals were argued over but the SBOE didn't ask for a single word to be changed. High school science.

https://tea.texas.gov/academics/curriculum-standards/teks-review/2021-2022-social-studies-teks-review is a hook into it. I assume Work Group B is K-8.

Review committees are mixed--teachers who have taught the course, scholars and professionals in the field. Looking over the review committee membership list, it apparently includes counselors for lower grades.


Current standards for 2nd grade start on page 7.

Slavery isn't mentioned in the current Grade 2 TEKS even by inference, as far as I can see. Wonder if that's an SB3 driven addition? (Haven't read the text of the bill.) Can't imagine the SBOE actually charging the committee to add specific content, but K-2 was charged with "add more content knowledge ... will result in more emphasis on historical facts through stories of key people, paces, events, and ideas in order to improve the ability of students to remember this key background knowledge as they proceed to high school." That's from the PPT on the initial review page (the "framework&quot .

On edit: Looked at SB3, it pushes teaching slavery as part of US history, so arguably the bill pushes for teaching slavery in a grade where it hadn't been taught before.

DBoon

(22,356 posts)
24. defense of the indefensible
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:29 PM
Jul 2022
In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties. Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenceless villages are bombarded from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is called pacification. Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called transfer of population or rectification of frontiers. People are imprisoned for years without trial, or shot in the back of the neck or sent to die of scurvy in Arctic lumber camps: this is called elimination of unreliable elements. Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up mental pictures of them.


Politics and the English Language, George Orwell

ShazzieB

(16,370 posts)
14. I don't know if this is a rhetorical question.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:59 PM
Jun 2022

But tbh, it's not always easy for people to just pick up and move, especially if they have a partner and/or kids. For those who have lived in a particular place all their lives, pulling up stakes can be an upheaval of major proportions, and if it means leaving an area where all their extended family is, it can be even harder.

Relocating to a different state also costs money (unless you have an employer that's paying for it), and not everyone has the cash reserves to bankroll a major relocation, much less support themselves and their partners, kids, etc., until the breadwinner(s) are fully employed in a new place.

I have all the sympathy in the world for people who are firmly rooted in a place that's going in a bad direction, like Texas, and I think that is what they need from the rest of us, rather than the implied criticism of a question like, "Why on earth would you stay THERE?"

Ishoutandscream2

(6,661 posts)
27. Thank you. You nailed it.
Mon Jul 4, 2022, 02:30 PM
Jul 2022

My daughter and SIL just bought a house in Oregon. They'll never live in a state like Texas again, they say. Until it becomes a blue state, they won't move back. But my wife and I - too much we have here to leave. Family, obligations, etc. If I were my daughter's age, I would be getting out. But it ain't happening. At least for awhile.

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
4. Manacles will be called "freedom bracelets..."
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:45 PM
Jun 2022

Whipping will be called "love lashes." The slave trade will be called "No-frills, one-way cruising" and slave auctions will be called "group relocation negotiations"

iluvtennis

(19,849 posts)
6. WTF - "involuntary relocation". Sailing ships to the West African course, and hunting down
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:51 PM
Jun 2022

people like they were animals, chaining them up, cramming them layer upon layer in the bottom of the ship, and bringing them to America to work on your land without pay, without adequate food, without adequate housing, without education, etc, etc, etc is NOT involuntary relocation.

This shit has got to stop. Kids need to be taught the history of this country - the good, the bad, and the ugly.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
7. Totally fucking ridiculous.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:52 PM
Jun 2022

Jesus fucking H Christ...... they don't want to make students "uncomfortable"!?!?!? I bet slavery sure the shit made more than a few people who were subjected to it "uncomfortable".

If we don't make people uncomfortable talking about our past then it's never going to fucking change!!!!

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
9. What happens if the parents set the kids straight. I would do it.
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 07:53 PM
Jun 2022

Some parents know the truth. I found out when I made my first visit to S.Carolina in the 50's.

LoisB

(7,201 posts)
11. I hope enough of us are still around to push back on this nut fuckery. Next they will try to pass
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:12 PM
Jun 2022

off slavery as "illegal immigration" or voluntary servitude because Africans were just so excited to come to America they sold themselves to almighty white men.

progree

(10,901 posts)
12. What would make this student "feel discomfort" is finding out I've been lied to for years and years,
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 08:29 PM
Jun 2022

and that now as an adult I have to pay school taxes to further propagate such big lies.

a year after lawmakers passed a law to keep topics that make students “feel discomfort” out of Texas classrooms.

LudwigPastorius

(9,137 posts)
16. The Texas group also recommended referring to the "Trail of Tears" forced march as...
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 09:24 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Thu Jun 30, 2022, 11:19 PM - Edit history (1)

the "Trail of Happy-Fun Times".

Ziggysmom

(3,406 posts)
21. Kids are not stupid and ignorant. They are becoming savvy at a younger age, compared to my
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 10:42 AM
Jul 2022

childhood in the 1960's. I see children as young as 8 or 9 watch “R” rated movies at home with their parents, or just online unsupervised alone. They know far more about sex and violence than I did at that age. Why can’t they get the whole truth about the treatment of African Americans and Native Americans? Education should tell the truth the first time. They can handle it, IMHO.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
22. Voluntary Irish immigration and "Involuntary Separation" of Africans?
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:47 PM
Jul 2022

To hell with such cringe-worthy comparisons. To what purpose? The kids will figure it out---Texas grandpas like me will see to that.

DBoon

(22,356 posts)
25. the Irish were "voluntary" migrants
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 04:42 PM
Jul 2022

only in the sense they were otherwise free to stay and starve to death during a famine engineered by their English colonial masters. The Irish did not however become someone's property for purposes of lifetime forced labor.

Bayard

(22,061 posts)
23. "involuntary relocation"
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:58 PM
Jul 2022

That's a hoot! I guess TFG was involuntarily relocated from the White House.


Do they also whitewash Hitler? The Inquisition? Witchcraft accusations? Manifest Destiny? This isn't political correctness. It isn't about making second graders feel discomfort, its about teachers and parents feeling discomfort about their kids learning the truth.

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