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Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:13 PM

Justice Dept. expands Jan. 6 probe with fresh subpoenas

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Source: Washington Post

The Justice Department’s investigation of the Jan. 6 attack ratcheted up Wednesday as federal agents dropped subpoenas on people in at least two states, in what appeared to be a widening probe of how political activists supporting President Donald Trump tried to use invalid electors to thwart Joe Biden’s 2020 electoral victory. FBI officials confirmed to The Washington Post that agents conducted court authorized law enforcement activity Wednesday morning at two locations — one the address of Brad Carver, a Georgia lawyer who allegedly signed a document claiming to be a Trump elector, and another the Virginia home of Thomas Lane, who worked on the Trump campaign’s efforts in Arizona and New Mexico.

The FBI officials did not identify the people associated with those addresses, but public records list each of the locations as the home addresses of the men. The precise nature of the information being sought by the Justice Department wasn’t immediately clear; however, Arizona and Georgia officials testified Tuesday to a House panel probing the Jan. 6 attacks about attempts by Trump and his inner circle of advisers to try to reverse Biden’s electoral college victories in those states.

Officials have previously said that the Justice Department and FBI were examining the issue of false electors, who Trump and others hoped might be approved by state legislators in a last-ditch bid to keep Trump in the White House. Until now, however, those investigative efforts seemed to primarily involve talking to people in Republican circles who knew of the scheme and objected; the subpoenas issued Wednesday suggest the Justice Department is now moving to question at least some of those who allegedly agreed to pursue the effort.

FBI agents delivered a subpoena to Lane Wednesday morning at his home in Virginia, according to a person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. After leaving the Trump campaign, Lane has worked for the Republican National Committee’s election efforts in Virginia, this person said. Public records list an address for Lane in south Arlington, and an FBI spokeswoman confirmed agents conducted “court-authorized law enforcement activity” at that address this morning. Phone messages left for Lane were not immediately returned. Carver, the Georgia lawyer, also did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/22/jan6-fbi-electors-subpoenas/



NYT just had a breaking mentioning a 3rd person and these subpoenas are apparently from a grand jury -

Justice Dept. Issues More Subpoenas in Trump Electors Investigation


By Alan Feuer and Maggie Haberman
June 22, 2022, 6:31 p.m. ET


The Justice Department stepped up its criminal investigation of a plan by Donald J. Trump and his allies to create so-called fake slates of electors in a bid to keep Mr. Trump in power during the 2020 election, as federal agents delivered grand jury subpoenas on Wednesday to at least three people connected to the plan. One of those who received a subpoena, according to two people familiar with the matter, was Brad Carver, a lawyer and official of the Georgia Republican Party who claimed to be one of Mr. Trump’s electors in the state, which was won by Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Another subpoena recipient was Thomas Lane, an official who worked on behalf of Mr. Trump’s campaign in Arizona and New Mexico, the people said. A third person, Sean Flynn, a Trump campaign aide in Michigan, also got a subpoena, according to the people familiar with the matter. The issuance of new subpoenas was first reported by The Washington Post. None of the three men could be reached for comment about the subpoenas. The fake elector plan is the focus of one of two known prongs of the Justice Department’s broad grand jury investigation of Mr. Trump’s multiple and interlocking attempts to subvert the election.

The other has focused on a wide cast of political organizers, White House aides and members of Congress connected in various ways to Mr. Trump’s incendiary speech near the White House that directly preceded the storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. This latest round of activity in the Justice Department’s inquiry came amid the House select committee’s high-profile hearings into Mr. Trump’s efforts to reverse the outcome of the election. It also comes less than a month after an earlier round of grand jury subpoenas that revealed prosecutors have been seeking information on the role that a group of pro-Trump lawyers played in the fake elector effort.

Those lawyers included Rudolph W. Giuliani, John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn, Jenna Ellis, Kenneth Chesebro, James Troupis and Justin Clark. The subpoenas, issued by a grand jury sitting in Washington, have also sought records and information about other pro-Trump figures like Bernard B. Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner and a longtime ally of Mr. Giuliani. Many of the lawyers named in the subpoenas were also mentioned on Tuesday at the House select committee’s public hearing exploring Mr. Trump’s wide-ranging pressure campaign to persuade state officials to help him stay in office.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/22/us/politics/justice-dept-jan-6-subpoenas.html

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BumRushDaShow Wednesday OP
erronis Wednesday #1
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Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #3
BumRushDaShow Wednesday #4
Tadpole Raisin Wednesday #28
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:21 PM

1. Putin's going to have to accommodate a lot of (R)ussian refugees coming from the (R)epuglcon party.

I know he is experiencing a brain drain because of his dictatorship. Maybe all these repuglicons can move to Moskva (or Siberia) and accelerate brain drain.

But they'll be amply rewarded in cold, hard rubles. (Won't be able to own guns, tho.) Unless they agree to jump in a suicide tank ride towards UKR.

I bet they were promised a dacha near Sochi. A suite in trump's mosvka tower. Bet they are as stoopid as they come.

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Response to erronis (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 04:20 PM

12. I wonder if any have already left to avoid this.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:24 PM

2. Dominos.

May they fall hard and fast.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:25 PM

3. Hot digitty! Time for my favourite conspirator theme song:

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:28 PM

4. OMG

see I earwormed people yesterday - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=1675442

But you got me today!

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 06:05 PM

28. Shoot! I thought for a second there I'd be watching the whole show.

Will have to get on MeTV I guess. If not Flipper they’ll have Petticoat Junction.

Come ride the little train that is rolling down the tracks to the junction…

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Response to Tadpole Raisin (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 06:45 PM

35. "they'll have Petticoat Junction."

or "Green Acres"...



(and no I won't add "Mr. Ed" because just the mention should be enough to trigger the vision )

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Response to rkleinberger (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 06:57 PM

36. So horrible. As a kid I would never have known this. I considered

going into Marine Biology because of this show and my love for animals.

But this? Unforgivable. I’m glad her trainer changed after her death. How could you look into her eyes as this was happening and not change?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:29 PM

5. Finally!

The needle moves.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:33 PM

6. Tick tock or Drip drip.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:35 PM

7. Recommended.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:38 PM

8. Sounds relatively low level......

Hopefully they are looking for something specific on higher ups.

But in reality every one of these bozos has has 18 months to burn evidence.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:48 PM

10. "these bozos has has 18 months to burn evidence."

These loons were so sure of the false reality of their psycho world, that they were not only continuing to promote it and litigate it, but some are still at it implementing it.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 04:46 PM

16. Didn't they send some of these lists to the National Archives?

I don't think the Archivesaccepted them, but they may still exist.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:13 PM

20. Not only did they send them

NARA received them, logged them in, scanned them, and cataloged them, and even has a link (due to all the FOI requests) to a page specifically dedicated to them for viewing/downloading - https://www.archives.gov/foia/2020-presidential-election-unofficial-certificates

However since none of the Certificates were actually certified properly by the states that submitted them (i.e., they were fraudulent), they were characterized by NARA as "unofficial" and "not accepted" as an official "state action".

NARA even included scans of the envelopes they came in, for example from this copy (priority mail envelope shown on pg 16) - https://www.archives.gov/files/foia/az-sovereign-coa-amended-full-1.pdf (PDF)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:29 PM

24. I was thinking that "not acceped" didn't mean they didn't keep them

but I wasn't sure. Thanks. This is delicious.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 06:00 PM

27. The whole point of the National Archives

is to... drum roll... archive documents!

But yeah, in this case, the perps followed the requirements for who to send to and actually sent them to Congress and even to designated courts where the vote was held.

NARA had a nice brochure here that described what the state officials were supposed to do, how many copies of what, and who to send them to - https://www.archives.gov/files/electoral-college/state-officials/presidential-election-brochure.pdf (PDF)

So for example from what I posted here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16822880

(snip)

3. Mid-November through December 14, 2020

Sending Certificates of Ascertainment to NARA:

The Certificates of Ascertainment list the names of the electors
appointed and the number of votes cast for each person.

  • The States prepares no less than SEVEN originals, which are
    authenticated by the Governor’s signature and the State seal,
    and TWO certified copies. Alternatively, NINE originals may be
    prepared.

    One original along with two certified copies (or three originals,
    if nine were prepared) must be sent to the Archivist, David S.
    Ferriero, c/o Office of the Federal Register (F).

    The Governors must submit the Certificates of Ascertainment
    “as soon as practicable” after their States certify election re-
    sults.

  • The remaining SIX original Certificates of Ascertainment will
    be attached to the Certificates of Vote at the State meetings.


  • (snip)


    Then it talks about "certificates of votes" done by the Electors and how many -

    (snip)

    The electors record their votes on SIX “Certificates of Vote,” which are then paired with the SIX remaining original Certificates of Ascertainment.

  • After signing the Certificates of Vote, the electors seal
    and certify the electoral votes in packages containing a
    paired original Certificate of Ascertainment and original
    Certificate of Vote. They immediately distribute the
    paired certificates as follows:

  • One pair of original certificates is sent to the President
    of the Senate (Michael R. Pence)

  • Two pairs of original certificates are sent to the Archi-
    vist, David S. Ferriero, c/o Office of the Federal Register
    (F)

    The Archivist holds one pair subject to the order of the
    President of the United States Senate in case the elec-
    toral votes fail to reach the Senate. The other pair is held
    by the Office of the Federal Register for public inspection
    for one year.

  • Two pairs of certificates are sent by registered mail to
    the Secretary of State of each State, who holds one pair
    subject to the order of the President of the United States
    Senate in case the electoral votes fail to reach the Sen-
    ate.

  • One pair of original certificates is sent to the Chief
    Judge of the Federal District Court located where the
    electors meet. It is held subject to the order of the Presi-
    dent of the United States Senate or the Archivist of the
    United States in case the electoral votes fail to reach the
    Senate or the Archivist.

    (snip)


  • As a retired fed, I know during my career, the agency had established, and regularly updated a "Records Schedule" where our work diaries, my lab worksheets, etc., were gathered up about once a quarter if not still actively being used, boxed, labeled, and transported to the local NARA warehouse here in Philly for "x" number of years of archival storage, depending on what the items were (some were destroyed after say 5 years, others were kept for 20 years and then destroyed, and other things were to be kept permanently).

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    Response to getagrip_already (Reply #8)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:12 PM

    19. They can't burn the false certifications they sent to the NA.

    Methinks the FBI could be wanting to find signed documents to compare signatures.

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    Response to Justice matters. (Reply #19)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:23 PM

    21. NARA has all the fake crap they sent linked to on their own handy dandy webpage too

    https://www.archives.gov/foia/2020-presidential-election-unofficial-certificates

    I remember the first place where I saw them uploaded and posted online was on the website of a group called "American Oversight" - https://www.americanoversight.org/american-oversight-obtains-seven-phony-certificates-of-pro-trump-electors

    You can see NARA's FOI numbers watermarked on the copies that American Overisght received.

    All of those fake "electors" were either sitting elected officials and/or were state RNC leaders/employees or in AZ's case, members of one of those idiotic "Sovereign Citizens" groups.

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    Response to Justice matters. (Reply #19)

    Thu Jun 23, 2022, 09:46 AM

    39. nope, but why would the fbi raid their homes/offices for that?

    They are looking for electronic devices. Evidence with a trail.

    Having copies of the fraudulent certificates likely isn't what they are after.

    In the oldie times, these raids were effective because communication was paper based. Even old phone bills could help build a network and timeline of communication (phone companies didn't keep line item bills for long).

    But today, there isn't much the fbi can't grab out of the cloud. Raids are looking for something physical; guns, bombs, tools, and electronic devices which are offline.

    That is what they could have disposed of, or at least relocated to a safe place.

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    Response to getagrip_already (Reply #39)

    Thu Jun 23, 2022, 10:54 AM

    40. Copies of FRAUDULENT certificates, signed, sealed, and delivered.

    FRAUDULENT says it all. They have the names of the FRAUDSTERS.

    They Broke The Law. Communications would (and will) be fine if they find them and they will find some or many and those republiQan fraudsters who destroyed evidence, which is another crime can be identified through those that didn't destroy them effectively. There are Tweets, tapes, and reports (they filmed themselves) everywhere online.

    Sing, Q-rats! Sing!

    Looks like a RICO procedure in the works.

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    Response to getagrip_already (Reply #8)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 06:22 PM

    33. The evidence is in the hands of the national archives and on social media

    Many of the fake slates videoed themselves committing fraud and then posted to social media.

    Most of these folks don’t have the funds for defending themselves against federal charges, and don’t want to spend 10-20 years in prison, so I think it’s likely they’ll cut a deal and tell all they know about who promoted and assisted with this scheme.

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 03:44 PM

    9. The great round -up is slowly starting! Shit roll's down hill !

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 04:12 PM

    11. Yummy!

    Put the screws to them and roll them up.

    These people didn’t just decide to do this on their own.

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 04:33 PM

    14. All for *that* guy

    I'll never ever understand it. Is it really all about power or am I some kind of conspiracy theorist to think tfg has dirt on all of them.

    Peace

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    Response to hibbing (Reply #14)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:00 PM

    17. You and I are in the same boat, hibbing.

    I was just saying to my partner last night that I can't for the life of me understand where all this loyalty to trump is coming from. Even if an authoritarian government is your ultimate goal, come on, Donald Trump as your leader? You couldn't pick someone that isn't the laughing stock of the world?

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    Response to TurboDem (Reply #17)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:37 PM

    25. I am a passenger in the same boat. Why him? Whatever it is, I am blind to it.

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    Response to LoisB (Reply #25)

    Thu Jun 23, 2022, 11:00 AM

    41. Because he is a BULLY, racist, sexist, and he fakes prayers, holding the BIBLE, etc.

    They think he's the return of King David or some other BS like that!!

    Oh, and they watch FUX NOISE every day since the mid-90's...

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 04:41 PM

    15. "FBI agents delivered a subpoena to Lane* Wednesday morning at his home in Virginia."

    * "Thomas Lane, who worked on the Trump campaign’s efforts in Arizona and New Mexico."



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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:02 PM

    18. Come on DOJ, there was a lot more fake electors than 2.

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:27 PM

    22. The term "political activist" really is not accurate. I consider myself a politial activist

    but my activities do not involve breaking the law.

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:28 PM

    23. Take computers and phones !!!!!

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 06:00 PM

    26. I've been wondering if the outcome for these fake electors

    may in part depend on the lawyers they pick.

    If they are foolish enough to hire extreme TFG lawyers they will be advised to stay quiet to their own detriment and guilty verdicts/prison will follow (I can hope).

    If they hire lawyers who are really looking out for their interests these investigations could really expand as everyone starts to fess up and try to make deals.

    Their retirement funds will be depleted either way. They should have not shown up like their colleagues who must have had someone at home putting their foot down on being a participant to this nonsense. Those people were very lucky!

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 06:07 PM

    29. Lock. Them. All. Up!

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 06:21 PM

    32. Falsifying a government document

    18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

    Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

    It’s a felony for each of the people signing.

    Lock them up!

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 06:26 PM

    34. A lot of people

    won't testify without a legal subpoena. These guys may have a deal going. They are both attorneys. They should know better.

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 08:17 PM

    37. I do hope they saved all the Emails and texts

    and that some are direct links to TFG.

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

    Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:03 PM

    38. Wow. Thanks for the additional report of expanded subpoena targets.

    election. It also comes less than a month after an earlier round of grand jury subpoenas that revealed prosecutors have been seeking information on the role that a group of pro-Trump lawyers played in the fake elector effort.

    Those lawyers included Rudolph W. Giuliani, John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn, Jenna Ellis, Kenneth Chesebro, James Troupis and Justin Clark. The subpoenas, issued by a grand jury sitting in Washington, have also sought records and information about other pro-Trump figures like Bernard B. Kerik,


    What a possible RICO choir. I hope they all lose their licenses and never work anywhere near politics again.

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