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Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
Wed May 11, 2022, 05:34 AM May 2022

'It's stupid': Trump kept demanding US Navy redesign aircraft carrier

Source: Raw Story/Intelligencer


Raw Story - Yesterday 5:43 PM

By Matthew Chapman

On Tuesday, New York Magazine's Intelligencer highlighted one bizarre new claim from former Defense Secretary Mark Esper's tell-all book on former President Donald Trump's administration — that Trump apparently hated the way a certain aircraft carrier looked and repeatedly demanded Esper approve major design changes to it.

Specifically, he had tons of gripes with the appearance and design of the U.S.S. Gerald Ford.

"In his new book, A Sacred Oath: Memoirs of a Secretary of Defense During Extraordinary Times, Mark Esper writes that when Trump wasn’t plotting to secretly bomb Mexico, he was complaining about the $13 billion warship, denouncing it as 'overpriced,' insisting that its elevators would be disabled by 'one glass of seawater,' and arguing that its new digital catapult system should be powered by 'goddamned steam' instead.

The carrier, which will finally be deployed this year, did suffer years-long delays caused by problems with various new technologies. But according to Esper, Trump was the only person focused on its physical problem areas."

One of the biggest complaints Trump had, according to the report, is with the "island," the portion of the ship that houses the command center.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/its-stupid-trump-kept-demanding-us-navy-redesign-aircraft-carrier/ar-AAX7Tgd?li=BBnb7Kz

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'It's stupid': Trump kept demanding US Navy redesign aircraft carrier (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2022 OP
they could only tell us when they're out to make a buck Skittles May 2022 #1
He probably thought his own name should be displayed on it... Harker May 2022 #2
My thoughts exactly Arger68 May 2022 #3
It would have to be the biggest and bestest ever. Harker May 2022 #4
Trust me bluecollar2 May 2022 #21
The German military had a similar problem in WW2 IronLionZion May 2022 #5
I remember reading about how Hitler wanted to re-purpose the Me-262 jet fighter Wednesdays May 2022 #7
common myth godfree2 May 2022 #10
It's not so much that Hitler required the 262 to carry bombs. Aristus May 2022 #12
He wanted to put the island in the center of the deck NickB79 May 2022 #6
because he knew more about carriers speak easy May 2022 #8
The Navy should've given him color swatches and fabric samples to look through. Mister Ed May 2022 #9
He's such an idiot karin_sj May 2022 #11
how in the hell did this thug become president? RussBLib May 2022 #14
Orange Failure had design notes for the engineers. Wow. Dunning Kruger is strong with this one. PerceptionManagement May 2022 #13
He didn't like the flag. Wanted the hammer and sickle one. twodogsbarking May 2022 #15
Sadly, you have to wonder if Borowitz or The Onion 2Gingersnaps May 2022 #16
What a jackass. There seems to be a lot of valid criticisms of this project XorXor May 2022 #17
Criticisms deserved nitpicker May 2022 #23
Hitler knew more than his Generals too. Turbineguy May 2022 #18
The obsession with steam catapults was public muriel_volestrangler May 2022 #19
Probably because Trump is a recognized expert in naval architecture. TomSlick May 2022 #20
Trump would know from his vast Military service! Bengus81 May 2022 #22

Arger68

(679 posts)
3. My thoughts exactly
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:25 AM
May 2022

It probably would have looked just fine to him if it was named after his worthless azz

Harker

(14,012 posts)
4. It would have to be the biggest and bestest ever.
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:36 AM
May 2022

He'd demand an on board casino to fleece the sailors of their paychecks.

Wednesdays

(17,342 posts)
7. I remember reading about how Hitler wanted to re-purpose the Me-262 jet fighter
Wed May 11, 2022, 08:53 AM
May 2022

The Messerschmitt 262 was one of the first jet fighter planes, coming out about a year or so before the end of World War II, and its top speed was nearly 100 miles per hour faster than any allied prop fighter at the time. Hitler originally insisted it be used as a fighter-bomber, which one author said was like "using a thoroughbred race horse to tow a beer wagon."

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
12. It's not so much that Hitler required the 262 to carry bombs.
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:26 AM
May 2022

It was the purpose to which it was put. Hitler wanted to change the 262’s mission from tactical, pursuit of enemy aircraft, to strategic, bombing enemy cities.

While Hitler awaited the debut of the Arado jet bomber (which never saw operational service), he wanted to relive the glory days of The Blitz against London, and saw the 262 as the means to do that.

He even insisted that, in his presence, the 262 be referred to only as a ‘blitz bomber.’

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
9. The Navy should've given him color swatches and fabric samples to look through.
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:23 AM
May 2022

I've read that's what architects and designers of Trump properties did in order to keep him off their backs and make him feel important.

karin_sj

(808 posts)
11. He's such an idiot
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:48 AM
May 2022

And it's totally unsurprising that he would prioritize appearance over safety and efficiency. The article never did say whether or not he got his way.

RussBLib

(9,006 posts)
14. how in the hell did this thug become president?
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:51 AM
May 2022

Could the election have been stolen? T**** carped so much about how the Dems were stealing votes, I have to assume the GOP was doing it and they wanted to cover their tracks.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
16. Sadly, you have to wonder if Borowitz or The Onion
Wed May 11, 2022, 01:39 PM
May 2022

aren't Esper's ghost writers. Tony Schwartz would be a great person to ask.

XorXor

(621 posts)
17. What a jackass. There seems to be a lot of valid criticisms of this project
Wed May 11, 2022, 01:52 PM
May 2022

Mostly about too many technologies trying to be incorporated all at once. Given the issues and delays, that seems like a valid complaint. That being said, Trump is still an idiot who clearly had no grasp of the actual issues or how to fix them. That thing about the island position illustrates exactly how his mind works. If he was capable of thinking and wanted to actually fix stuff, then he wouldn't be harping on details of a single ship well past the design phase, but rather taking whatever steps are in his power to reform how the Navy and other branches handle the entire process of developing and procuring new stuff. There are a lot of smart people out there who have discussed these problems and have ideas on how to fix them. Of course Trump didn't do that. He just took some easy to digest buzz words to rail against without even understanding what they are, why they exist, how they can be fixed, and why things are the way they are.

Nothing more than shallow faux outrage used for political gain.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
23. Criticisms deserved
Thu May 12, 2022, 01:12 PM
May 2022

The keel was laid in 2009. IFAIK, a big hangup was the issue of weapons elevators, plus the new launch systems, so that only NOW is it undergoing sea trials.

BUT the design of the carrier was intended to increase sortie rates. I think Thump might not have grasped that.

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