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Thu Mar 24, 2022, 04:34 PM

Biden Says to Expect 'Real' Food Shortages Due to Ukraine War

Source: Bloomberg

(Bloomberg) -- President Joe Biden said that the world will experience food shortages as a result of Russiaís invasion of Ukraine, and production increases were a subject of discussions at a Group of Seven meeting on Thursday.

ďItís going to be real,Ē Biden said at a news conference in Brussels. ďThe price of the sanctions is not just imposed upon Russia. Itís imposed upon an awful lot of countries as well, including European countries and our country as well.Ē

Ukraine and Russia are both major producers of wheat, in particular, and Kyivís government has already warned that the countryís planting and harvest have been severely disrupted by the war.

Biden said that at the G-7 summit in Brussels earlier that he and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau both discussed increasing their nationís agricultural production to try to make up for shortfalls. Biden said heís also urging all nations including those in Europe to drop trade restrictions that could restrict exports of food.

Read more: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-expect-real-food-175308088.html

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Reply Biden Says to Expect 'Real' Food Shortages Due to Ukraine War (Original post)
TheProle Mar 2022 OP
intrepidity Mar 2022 #1
katmondoo Mar 2022 #2
trof Mar 2022 #4
justhanginon Mar 2022 #14
jmowreader Mar 2022 #20
Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #6
katmondoo Mar 2022 #9
Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #13
roamer65 Mar 2022 #12
PortTack Mar 2022 #3
Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #5
Marthe48 Mar 2022 #7
oldsoftie Mar 2022 #15
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #8
roamer65 Mar 2022 #10
oldsoftie Mar 2022 #17
roamer65 Mar 2022 #22
oldsoftie Mar 2022 #27
roamer65 Mar 2022 #30
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #18
roamer65 Mar 2022 #21
NickB79 Mar 2022 #33
roamer65 Mar 2022 #34
NickB79 Mar 2022 #37
roamer65 Mar 2022 #38
NickB79 Mar 2022 #39
roamer65 Mar 2022 #40
Auggie Mar 2022 #11
Warpy Mar 2022 #16
PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #19
IronLionZion Mar 2022 #23
RussBLib Mar 2022 #24
oldsoftie Mar 2022 #26
roamer65 Mar 2022 #35
DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #28
RussBLib Mar 2022 #29
Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #25
roamer65 Mar 2022 #36
womanofthehills Mar 2022 #31
orangecrush Mar 2022 #32

Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 04:39 PM

1. Well, time for the corporate thieves to start jacking prices now

they see a green light, they don't hesitate.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 04:51 PM

2. I lived through World War Ii food shortage. I remember there was no butter only horrid margarine.

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Response to katmondoo (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:23 PM

4. And it was as white as lard,

and had that little orange dye packet to make it kind of yellow.

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Response to trof (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:35 PM

14. I remember that. As kids we used to argue over who got to squeeze the bag

Yeah, we were a lot easier entertained back in the forties. Also saving aluminum foil from cigarette packs. Ration books, lots of stuff back then
were in our daily lives.

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Response to trof (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:01 PM

20. The little orange dye packet wasn't due to the war

It was because of the butter lobby, who in 1902 convinced the government to write laws prohibiting the sale of colored margarine. It took until 1955 to get those laws repealed.

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Response to katmondoo (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:26 PM

6. but it was yellow...?

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:07 PM

9. It was yellow because it came with a tablet that you had to mix into this lard looking yukki stuff.

That was my job

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Response to katmondoo (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:34 PM

13. I know. I was joking. My depression era parents told me all about it! They didn't complain though.

After you live through that and a WW, you understand that small sacrifices are OK. I wonder what Americans today will do with small sacrifices, considering many wouldn't even put on a mask.

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Response to katmondoo (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:08 PM

12. My dad was brought up on a dairy farm during the war.

My grandmother traded meat, vegetables and real butter for sugar, coffee and other ration stamps from the relatives in the cities.

She used the sugar in canning fruit, etc.

Bartering was a big thing during WW2.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 04:55 PM

3. I for one plan on being a "happy warrior." This country will not be as affected, but if there's

Shortages...I am not going to complain!

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Response to PortTack (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:25 PM

5. Same

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:35 PM

7. Let's remember the ration cards of WWII

Let's remember Victory Gardens, butter, sugar and egg free food, meatless stew, tire collections, all of the things that helped the U.S. and their allies get through the dark days of that war. My grandmother and parents didn't like Spam. My grandmother explained that they ate a lot of it during the war.

I have some magazines, books and recipe books from the era. The publishers and advertisers were so encouraging and positive. I hope it doesn't get to food shortages, and other shortages. None of us in the world need that

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:36 PM

15. Todays population would've never lasted thru WW2.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:45 PM

8. Stop growing corn for ethanol, convert those fields to wheat NOW! Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:54 PM

10. Not quite that easy.

75-80 of North American wheat is winter wheat, which means it was planted last fall.

Soonest we could see a larger wheat crop harvested is late July, 2023.

As far as ethanol, it is a MUCH cleaner burning fuel and burns cooler. Better for our atmosphere and better on engines.

I have one flex fuel vehicle and often put E50 into it. There is definitely more power when it runs on a higher ethanol fuel.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:45 PM

17. Non-ethanol fuel gives more power and better mileage.

Growing food for ethanol is a scam perpetuated on the US market. Corn raised for ethanol is the most subsidized crop in the US

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:13 PM

22. Rice is the most subsidized cash crop in the United States.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:06 AM

27. But corn also gets Dept of Energy subsidies that the other don't

Ands I'm surprised that sugar isn't high on the list. I think it USED to be

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:55 PM

30. Cotton is very subsidized and hard on the environment.

The pesticides used on it are nasty stuff.

I honestly thought it would be #1

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:08 PM

21. Less Russia and Saudi Arabia in my tank is a good thing.

Two horribly repressive regimes that deserve a LOT less in oil revenue.

Russia: Putlerís invasion of Ukraine and its resulting genocide.

KSA: 80+ people executed in a single day and Jamal Khashoggi.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/15/saudi-arabia-mass-execution-81-men#

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:22 PM

33. It really isn't better for the atmosphere

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/594377-new-study-casts-doubt-on-ethanols-climate-benefits

A new study is casting doubt on the climate benefits of using ethanol as a fuel, finding that it may actually contribute more to global warming than gasoline.

Researchers found that emissions from changes in land use to account for the growing demand for corn make corn-based ethanol no cleaner than gasoline.

In fact, they determined that these changes likely make ethanol's emissions at least 24 percent higher than those for gasoline, according to their study, which was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


High corn prices due to ethanol motivated a lot of farmers to clear forests and plow under CRP land that stored a lot of carbon.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:44 AM

34. Better than Russian and Saudi petroleum in my tank.

I hate Moscow and I hate Riyadh.

Both regimes are evil incarnate.

Iíll burn more ethanol merely for the ability to say 🖕to them.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #34)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 07:07 AM

37. And melt the ice caps in the process, dooming billions

"Cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 10:07 AM

38. If you heat your home, drive your car, turn on your lights...etc, etc

You are just as responsible for that as rest of us.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 12:48 PM

39. You're actively choosing and promoting a worse fuel

It's like advocating for a return to heating your house with coal, or lighting with incandescent bulbs again.

Your false equivalency argument falls pretty flat.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 08:13 PM

40. Wrong.

Ethanol has no sulfur, unlike petroleum distillates, for example.

False equivalency on YOUR part.

https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2019/04/02/building-evidence-corn-ethanols-greenhouse-gas-profile

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 06:55 PM

11. California farmers have some surpluses and could use the sales

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:45 PM

16. One more reason to learn how to cook

If you find yourself with a cabinet full of unfriendly ingredients, you can always figure something out, even if it's corn cakes with blackstrap and raisin sauce. Those aren't bad, by the way, been there.

Or fast food condiments from your days of not thinking cooking was unimportant. You can make a decent tomato soup out of those ketchup packs, water, a little sugar (to cut the vinegar), and non dairy coffee creamer.

It's hard to say where the real shortages will come in. Right now, processed food is iffy and miluitary families are back to panic buying toilet paper.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 08:09 PM

19. My current food costs are the lowest they have ever been,

since I've taken up making certain meals in large quantities and freezing up individual portions. As soon as I finally finish eating portions I froze several months ago, I'll make them up again.

I do know that if I had a family, had kids, even if I were also staying home and cooking everything from scratch, my reality would be somewhat or even a lot different.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:25 PM

23. Most Ukrainian wheat is bought by the Middle East, South Asia, North Africa

so those countries will feel the pain if they depend on wheat for bread. The US is probably not going to feel it as much since we grow tons of wheat. So the US might export more to those countries to help.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2022, 10:17 PM

24. plant hemp instead

requires less water, less fertilizer, faster growing cycle, it really is a miracle plant.

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:01 AM

26. THIS RIGHT HERE!!!

Hemp can be grown on land not suitable for other crops & used for SO many more things. It can also produce ethanol, but not at the same rate as corn.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:01 AM

35. The best crops for ethanol production are sugarcane and switchgrass, hands down.

The yield energy wise from sugarcane is about 8 to 1 and switchgrass about 4 to 1.

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:12 AM

28. How is hemp supposed to replace wheat

A cereal grain?

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Response to DenaliDemocrat (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:14 AM

29. you can make bread and cereal from hemp

along with a thousand other things. It would be a great bridge until you can get back to the slow-growing winter wheat.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:49 AM

25. I'm guessing this will mostly be relatively minor inconveniences for us in wealthier nations

but far more dire for people in poorer countries. It's unfortunate that Putin is forcing this to happen.

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Response to Sapient Donkey (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:04 AM

36. India, Pakistan, the ME and Africa are screwed if Ukraine doesn't ship grains.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:18 PM

31. Canada, Russia and Belarus are the top potash suppliers

This (and distribution problems) is causing a shortage in fertilizers for single crop farmers of corn and soy. Besides being harder to find, farmers are paying way more for herbicides and fertilizers. On top of that, itís costing them way more money to operate their machinery. I like to bake so Iím stocking up on organic flour. My feed for my chickens has gone way up. Iím stocking up my freezer with meat and going to grow a larger garden this yr. This will hit the third world countries the hardest.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/22/fertilizer-prices-are-at-record-highs-heres-what-that-means.html

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:27 PM

32. I was planning


On cutting carbs anyway.


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