Putin tells Ukraine military to 'take power into your own hands'
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Source: BBC
Here's more from Vladimir Putin, who is addressing the Russian Security Council - and, indirectly, the Ukrainian military.
He says Banderites - a reference to World War Two anti-Soviet fighter Stepan Bandera - and so-called neo-Nazis "have put up heavy armaments including multiple rocket launch systems" in cities, including Kyiv and Kharkiv.
"Neo-Nazis" is a regularly used by President Putin to deride the Ukrainian government. Ukraine's President Zelensky, who is Jewish, has dismissed the term.
Putin says: "They are acting like terrorists across the world, shielding behind people in order to accuse Russia of causing casualties among the peaceful population.
Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60517447
BeyondGeography
(40,128 posts)Fuck this guy.
underpants
(187,903 posts)Maybe he thinks his old KGB torture/coercion stuff can work on a mass population
C_U_L8R
(45,906 posts)He wants this over asap. After a very undecisive start, things are only going to get worse for him.
Deminpenn
(16,407 posts)Two days in and already trying to get Ukrainian forces to self-surrender? Putin must be worried about his army holding together, resupplying itself or both.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)In addition, the nationalist elements embedded in the regular Ukrainian units not only incite them to offer armed resistance, but, in fact, play the role of blocking units.
Moreover, according to the available information, and this is confirmed by the results of objective control, we see that Bandera supporters and neo-Nazis are deploying heavy weapons, including multiple launch rocket systems, right in the central regions of large cities, including Kiev and Kharkov. They plan to provoke return fire from Russian strike systems on residential areas. In fact, they act in the same way as terrorists do around the world, hiding behind people in the hope of later blaming Russia for the civilian casualties.
It is known that all this is happening on the recommendation of foreign instructors, primarily American advisers.
Once again, I appeal to the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Do not allow neo-Nazis and Bandera supporters to use your children, your wives, and elderly people as human shields. Take power into your own hands. It seems that it will be easier for us to come to an agreement than with this gang of junkies and neo-Nazis, who settled in Kiev and took the entire Ukrainian people hostage...
Deminpenn
(16,407 posts)the US has been training Ukrainian paramilitary units both here and there and has been since about 2014.
gab13by13
(25,834 posts)6 months from now when Zalensky is restored to power, his first act should be a request to join NATO.
Wicked Blue
(6,902 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(11,349 posts)Yeah right, shorty.
Lonestarblue
(12,105 posts)Dictionary definition: a boastful and self-important person. Perhaps we can dub them the Cockalorum Club.
kysrsoze
(6,196 posts)Shitbag Putin knows he's losing. I'm seeing rumblings in his own country that I hope reverberate. Russian citizens are sick of the wasted resources and lives of the Russian government's belligerence.
EarlG
(22,694 posts)I think Putin's ideal scenario would have been the spectacle of Russian tanks driving unopposed into Kyiv, while the Ukrainian military collapsed and the government fled to exile. Then he could claim to have "freed" the Ukrainian people from their "oppressors" and get about the business of installing a sham government, which would then "invite" Russian troops to stay in the country in a "peacekeeping" role.
The fact that he feels like he needs to make this announcement, along with his simultaneous offer of a ceasefire if Ukraine surrenders and demilitarizes, does make me wonder if things aren't going as well as the Kremlin hoped.
Wicked Blue
(6,902 posts)Thought I read that someplace.
EarlG
(22,694 posts)I would take any stories coming out of the warzone with a grain of salt at the moment. It's going to be very difficult to tell what's real and what's propaganda.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)complaints at home about the deaths and harm to other Russian peoples & relatives - and perhaps the financial sanctions.
blue-wave
(4,488 posts)The media has a somewhat defeatist attitude toward Ukraine, like they have no chance and Kyiv is about fall at any moment. Then Putin appeals to the Ukrainian military directly with this nonsense. Sounds desperate on Putin's part.
Then I see this report from the Ukrainian side with some really impressive numbers:
Russian forces have lost about 2,800 people since the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine.
Deputy Defense Minister of Ukraine Hanna Maliar wrote on Facebook, Ukrinform reports.
"Since the beginning of the Russian Federations open large-scale invasion of Ukraines territory, the troops of the invading country have suffered the following losses (approximately): as of 15:00 - up to 80 tanks, 516 armored combat vehicles of various types, 10 aircraft, 7 helicopters, and about 2,800 personnel, Maliar wrote.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3412868-enemy-forces-lost-about-2800-personnel-since-start-of-invasion-defense-ministry.html
I hope the Ukrainians are winning but the reality is you just don't know.
Wicked Blue
(6,902 posts)10:56
A US defence official has said Russian forces have lost momentum in their invasion of Ukraine.
According to the Reuters news agency the official said no Ukrainian population centres have been taken so far, but some Russian missiles have impacted residential areas.
They added there are also indications of cyber attacks against the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant in the south of Ukraine.
I've hit a paywall with Reuters so I'm unable to get details
blue-wave
(4,488 posts)Wicked Blue
(6,902 posts)TomWilm
(1,868 posts)... the math doesn't add up, even including tanks. Putin has totally lost his marbles.
Vogon_Glory
(9,638 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 25, 2022, 01:27 PM - Edit history (1)
I think that somebody in the Kremlin is making the same sorts of assumptions that Buckaroo Bush made when he sent US forces into Iraq: that the population will be tickled pink to see foreign troops in their country, that the local army wont fight, and that hell be able to control Ukraine with under 200,000 troops.
While I doubt that Ukrainian President Zelenskiy has planned as thoroughly for post-occupation resistance as Saddam Hussein did, it looks like he might have been taking notes. If he lets civilians emty the armories, the invaders are in for a rough time.
Justice matters.
(7,678 posts)"accusing Russia of causing casualties among the peaceful population"
ummm That's exactly what putti put DOES right now!!
blue-wave
(4,488 posts)Just days ago he was saying he was not going to invade Ukraine.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)So by putin's illogic, every country in the world should invade
all the other countries.
gab13by13
(25,834 posts)1. the existing military joins with the invaders.
2. The occupying army must remain in the country to enforce the new regime in the midst of an insurgency.
Pinocet drove tanks down the main street of Santiago and fired 26 rockets into the federal building. He assumed control of the country because the military backed him. Putin is sadly mistaken if he thinks that is what is going to happen.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)gab13by13
(25,834 posts)that means he is going to have to occupy Ukraine for a very long time to fight back the insurgency, and I don't see the Ukranian army flipping. Putin can install a puppet but that puppet means nothing unless he has someone to enforce his rules. You are going to have to keep your army in Ukraine for a very long time Vlad, I hope the Russian people don't get too upset.
Marthe48
(19,742 posts)in all the right places? Hope that is a big failure.
I see a thug who had a vision to get russia back to the way it was at the height of it's power. He thought the U.S. was going to roll over and let it happen. This is his last chance, and boy, so far, he is failing.
How do people keep believing thugs who'd sell their own mother?
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Born in Galicia (at the time Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, part of Austria-Hungary) into the family of a Greek-Catholic priest, young Bandera became a Ukrainian nationalist. After the Empire disintegrated in the wake of World War I, Galicia briefly became a West Ukrainian People's Republic; following the PolishUkrainian War of 19181919, it was integrated into eastern Poland. In this period, Bandera became radicalized, and after Polish authorities refused to let him leave for Czechoslovakia to study, he enrolled at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he organized Ukrainian nationalist organizations. For orchestrating the 1934 assassination of Poland's Minister of the Interior Bronisław Pieracki, Bandera was sentenced to death but the sentence was commuted to life imprisonment. In 1939, following the joint GermanSoviet invasion of Poland, Bandera was released from prison, and he moved to Kraków in the German-occupied zone of Poland.
Bandera cultivated German military circles favorable to Ukrainian independence, and organized OUN expeditionary groups. When Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union, he prepared the 30 June 1941 Proclamation of Ukrainian statehood in Lviv, pledging to work with Nazi Germany.[4][5] For his refusal to rescind the decree, Bandera was arrested by the Gestapo, which put him under house arrest on 5 July 1941,[6] and later between 1942 and 1943[7] sent him to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp.[8] In 1944, with Germany rapidly losing ground in the war in the face of the advancing Allied armies, Bandera was released in the hope that he would be instrumental in deterring the advancing Soviet forces. He set up the headquarters of the re-established Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council, which worked underground. He settled with his family in West Germany where he remained the leader of the OUN-B and worked with several anti-communist organizations such as the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations[9][10] as well as with the British intelligence agencies.[9] Fourteen years after the end of the war, Bandera was assassinated in 1959 by KGB agents in Munich.[11][12]
On 22 January 2010, the outgoing President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko awarded Bandera the posthumous title of Hero of Ukraine.[13] The European Parliament condemned the award,[14] as did Russia,[15] Polish, and Jewish politicians and organizations.[16][17][18] The incoming president Viktor Yanukovych declared the award illegal, since Bandera was never a citizen of Ukraine, a stipulation necessary for getting the award. This announcement was confirmed by a court decision in April 2010.[19] In January 2011, the award was officially annulled.[20] In December 2018, the Ukrainian parliament has moved to again confer the award on Bandera.[21]...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
Omaha Steve
(104,063 posts)Title mismatch, rolling news.
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