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Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:01 PM

GOP attempt to award Mich. Electoral College votes to Trump referred to feds, Nessel says

Source: Detroit Free Press



Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a television interview Thursday her office has referred the submission of a false slate of presidential electors from Michigan Republicans for the 2020 presidential election to federal prosecutors.

Nessel made the comments Thursday during an interview with MSBNC’s Rachel Maddow.

As Michigan’s presidential electors convened on Dec. 14, 2020, to cast their votes for Joe Biden, a group of Republicans signed on to their own certificate that attempted to award the state’s 16 Electoral College votes to Donald Trump.

The document, shared with the U.S. House committee investigating the deadly Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol last year, was obtained by POLITICO.

Law enforcement denied access to the group of Republicans who tried to deliver their own electoral votes to the Capitol in Lansing that day, incorrectly arguing they were the state's presidential electors. ...........................

Read more: https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/01/14/nessel-gop-trump-feds/6522173001/



lots of lawyers will be making LOTS of money over this.



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Reply GOP attempt to award Mich. Electoral College votes to Trump referred to feds, Nessel says (Original post)
riversedge Friday OP
Marthe48 Friday #1
leftieNanner Friday #2
Hugh_Lebowski Saturday #23
Hugh_Lebowski Saturday #24
Fortinbras Armstrong Saturday #26
Bettie Saturday #29
Fortinbras Armstrong Sunday #33
Bettie Sunday #34
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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:04 PM

1. Paper trail and video and a state trooper

A+B+C= jail time, I hope!

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:08 PM

2. Astoundingly Stupid!

SMDH

One of the states actually had a Notary Public attest to their signatures too.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 15, 2022, 02:30 AM

23. I guess it means these criminals can't weasel out of trouble by claiming 'that wasn't ME!?!'

... but that was never likely to be the tack they'd be taking, I wouldn't think

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 15, 2022, 09:54 AM

26. The notary should lose his or her license, since he/she notarized a document which was false.

And should have been known to the notary as being false. Could the notary be prosecuted for notarizing a false document?

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 15, 2022, 01:46 PM

29. The notary is just there to verfiy

that the signatures are valid and of the person signing.

That's all. A notary can be liable if the signature did not happen in their presence or if they did not properly identify the person signing.

They are not liable for anything in the document, beyond signatures.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 16, 2022, 11:13 AM

33. Thanks for correcting me.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 16, 2022, 11:16 AM

34. Only reason I know is that I used to be a notary

and they drilled that into our heads.

Glad to be of assistance.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:09 PM

3. We need to find out who

Crafted this document.
Many of them look sinsterley similar.
all states official slate of electors looks very different from these forgeries.

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Response to nykym (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:04 PM

8. Probably John Barron

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Response to groundloop (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:47 PM

17. Check for misspellings

And ohter telltail giveaways.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 16, 2022, 09:10 AM

31. You forgot to randomly capitalize (NT)

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Response to HuskyOffset (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 16, 2022, 09:35 AM

32. I'l Try to Do BEttEr

Next Time.

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Response to nykym (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 16, 2022, 02:49 PM

36. Many of them?

A couple of days ago, someone posted a link to a PDF of all the electoral vote and replacement-elector certificates. To me they look like the same Word templates were used for all of them.

My bet is someone in Trump’s inner circle built these two documents and shipped them via email. We know it wasn’t Trump because Trump can’t run a computer; he has people around him who can, and it would take just a few minutes to type these up.

One thing that gives them away: A real one lists every candidate on the ballot including the write-ins and documents the number of votes each received…so if one person wrote in Snoop Dogg and one person wrote in Pete Carroll, head coach of the Seahawks, the certificate of ascertainment would read, “Calvin Cordozar Broadus Jr, no electors recorded, one vote; Peter Clay Carroll, no electors recorded, one vote.” The phony ones just state, “Winner of the election, Donald Trump.” And yes, Snoop Dogg is constitutionally eligible to be president; he’s 41 years old, was born in California and has lived here his whole life. (One must admit, he would have been a better president than Trump - not a difficult task, but still.)

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:14 PM

4. Rt TY!

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:43 PM

5. Sic em, they are guilty of attempted election subversion.

OK, I am not a lawyer, but surely this HAS to be illegal?

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:46 PM

6. I was wondering if/when action would be taken against these seditious fraudsters

If I attempted to defraud someone, I'd go to jail.

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Response to Mysterian (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:22 PM

11. The long arm of the law is snatching up the fascists by the truckload, wonderful!

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:03 PM

7. Good ! This nonsense needs to stop...ppl need to be charged

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:05 PM

9. 7 States !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That took some planning and coordination, like in a conspiracy, right?

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:47 PM

18. I say Puerto, you say

RICO.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:15 PM

10. This was a "coordinated" effort. I hope Feds are on top of it. Seven states?

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:26 PM

12. About time. It wasn't a secret. Stephen Miller bragged about it before January 6.

Trump referenced it in a legal filing.

And copies of the fake certificates have been available to the public since March thanks to a FoiA request.



ttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/technology/fake-dueling-slates-of-electors.html

https://www.vox.com/22173990/electoral-college-trump-biden-stephen-miller

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content840583269


https://www.americanoversight.org/american-oversight-obtains-seven-phony-certificates-of-pro-trump-electors

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:44 PM

13. The lack of respect Republicans have for the law, needs to be addressed...by stiffer penalties. nt

Throw them in jail for 10-20 years.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:46 PM

14. How could this not

be part of a coup plan?

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:47 PM

15. CAN I ASK WHAT TOOK SO LONG?

They were all created and sent to DC over a year ago!

Were they just planning on letting them slide until TRMS shined a light on it 3 days in a row?

Worse, this is only 1 of 7 states. What's going on in the others? GQP AGs?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:56 PM

19. Here is the answer - Remember this whole thing happened BEFORE Biden was inaugurated

and he has only been in office not even a year (won't be until January 20 of THIS year).

During that time, he has had to get NEW US Attorneys nominated to replace the TFG ones (still ongoing) so that they can try to proceed with getting the insurrection shenanigans worked on because you know those previous hand-picked ones were going to slow-walk it in each of their jurisdictions.

There are still some "actings" in there and others who are still in the positions (there are 94 total US Attorneys) pending confirmations of replacements. So far per this list - https://www.justice.gov/usao/us-attorneys-listing there are 32 Biden appointees who are operational.

And that list NOW includes the most important one of all with respect to the insurrection - the US Attorney for the District of Columbia, who JUST got confirmed October 28, 2021 and sworn in on November 5, 2021 - https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/meet-us-attorney

Before that happened, there were a series of 2 "actings" in there - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-justice-prosecutor/veteran-prosecutor-phillips-to-return-as-acting-u-s-attorney-for-washington-d-c-idUSKCN2AU2MX

(in the federal government, those sorts of "acting" details are generally time-limited)

In the "good old days", unless you had a controversial nominee, these types of positions were confirmed "by unanimous consent" in the Senate. But the current GOP has stopped that process and has insisted on objecting to unanimous consents for many nominees - which then slows the process, requiring scheduling of a debate a vote of the full Senate.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:13 PM

20. This is a reference to the DOJ from the MI AG, though. State-level.

I hear what you're saying: Repukes are Obstructionist assholes.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:29 PM

21. Yes and referral was to FEDERAL prosecutors (the US Attorneys)

From the OP -

Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a television interview Thursday her office has referred the submission of a false slate of presidential electors from Michigan Republicans for the 2020 presidential election to federal prosecutors.


And of the 2 US Attorneys in Michigan - https://www.justice.gov/usao/us-attorneys-listing

Michigan, Eastern Dawn N. Ison *
Michigan, Western Andrew B. Birge


Only one is a Biden nominee that has been confirmed AND she wasn't confirmed until a few weeks ago - https://www.justice.gov/usao-edmi/pr/dawn-n-ison-sworn-united-states-attorney



Department of Justice
U.S. Attorney’s Office
Eastern District of Michigan
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, December 21, 2021
DAWN N. ISON SWORN IN AS UNITED STATES ATTORNEY

DETROIT - Dawn N. Ison was sworn in as the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan by Chief United States District Judge Denise Page Hood.

Ison, who most recently served in the U.S. Attorney’s Office’s Public Corruption Unit, will lead one of the largest U.S. Attorney’s Offices in the country. The office currently employs approximately 221 personnel in three locations (Detroit, Flint and Bay City) and serves more than 6.5 million residents.

“It has been a privilege to serve as an Assistant United States Attorney for over 19 years. I could not be more honored to extend my service to my hometown in this significant way as the United States Attorney, which serves as the pinnacle of my career. We will continue to work hard to ensure the protection and safety of every citizen in this district and make sure the people of this richly diverse community feel valued.”

President Joseph Biden nominated Ison on November 12, 2021, and she was confirmed by the Senate on December 14, 2021. Ison succeeds Saima S. Mohsin who was appointed as the Acting U.S. Attorney in January.

Since 2002, Ison has served as an Assistant United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, where she has prosecuted drug trafficking offenses at the highest level in the Office’s Drug Task Force Unit. She also served as Chief of that unit, which is the largest unit in the U.S. Attorney’s Office. Since 2014, Ison has served as the Office’s District Election Officer, and also represented the Office in the federal court’s alternative to prison program. Early in her career, Ison spent twelve years as a criminal defense attorney.

Over the course of her career, Ison has successfully handled large-scale, complex, multi-defendant prosecutions. Ison’s work has been nationally recognized on several occasions by the Department of Justice and more recently by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. She has also received U.S. Attorney’s Awards for Outstanding Service and for Superior Performance by a Litigation Team. During her career, Ison has taken more than 50 cases to trial both as a prosecutor and a defense attorney.

After law school, Ison served as a Prehearing Attorney for the Michigan Court of Appeals. She graduated from Spelman College in 1986 and received her law degree from Wayne State University Law School in 1989.
Component(s):
USAO - Michigan, Eastern


Before then, there was an "acting" US Attorney for that jurisdiction. The MI AG is a Democrat (in the position since 2019).

This is why the "delay". You don't want to hand off something as legally catastrophic as this to an "acting".

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:32 PM

16. EVERY state where that happened (and apparently it wasn't just MI)

should have those referrals because clearly, THAT is "falsifying government documents".

18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.


(snip)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:05 PM

22. Thank you for taking the time to lay all that out for us. nt

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Sat Jan 15, 2022, 09:18 AM

25. Authorities should not buy the alternative/backup electors idea

That is pure bunk. This is criminal.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Sat Jan 15, 2022, 10:29 AM

27. Michigan AG

Saw her on Rachel talking about, her office had been investigating this since it happened over a year ago; I think they should have incited and charged the persons who signed this fraudulent document. Kicking it over to the DOJ just delays any action for another year.

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Response to Old Okie (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 16, 2022, 11:49 AM

35. This isn't "Kicking it over to the DOJ" at all. This widens the investigation and

they shared all their evidence with a MI district USA. Both entities, state and federal, can still bring charges and likely will. What happened, at least to the best of my ability to read into this, is the state officials reached a point where the Michigan investigation led to crimes outside the state's jusrisdiction. Also, there may have been substantial contacts between the entities, but this just became known to us recently.

Well, the referral just became known to us, we watched the fake elector drama in real time as the criminals were filming themselves.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Sat Jan 15, 2022, 11:28 AM

28. The extreme hubris of filming your own crimes is unprecedented in the Annals of Stupidity.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Sat Jan 15, 2022, 01:58 PM

30. Sheep led to slaughter.

I say that because I believe these are ordinary people caught up in the fervor stirred by a wolf in a red cap who promises glory to the patriots. They figured if they could pull this off it would counter all the leftist cheating that threatened to burst their bubble of sanctuary.

They knew with Trump safely retained in the Oval Office it would all be swept under the rug as the work of loyal citizens. I say make an example of them in case someone thinks it'll work next time.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Mon Jan 17, 2022, 05:22 AM

37. K&R

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