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Omaha Steve

(98,874 posts)
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 08:16 AM Dec 2021

Biden-Putin talks yield no breakthrough in Ukraine tensions

Source: AP

By AAMER MADHANI and VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin were still far apart after two hours of talks on the escalating crisis caused by Russia’s massing of tens of thousands of troops near its border with Ukraine.

Biden delivered a simple message during Tuesday’s video call with Putin: invade Ukraine again and face painful sanctions that will do resounding harm to your economy. Putin had his own blunt take, according to his foreign adviser Yuri Ushakov, telling the U.S. president that “the Russian troops are on their own territory, and they don’t threaten anyone.”

With no immediate breakthrough to ease tensions on the Ukraine question, the U.S. emphasized a need for diplomacy and de-escalation, while issuing stern threats to Russia about the high costs of a military incursion.

Biden “told President Putin directly that if Russia further invades Ukraine, the United States and our European allies would respond with strong economic measures,” U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said. He added that Biden said the U.S. would also “provide additional defensive material to the Ukrainians … and we would fortify our NATO allies on the eastern flank with additional capabilities in response to such an escalation.”



In this image provided by The White House, President Joe Biden speaks as he meets virtually via a secure video conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin from the Situation Room at the White House in Washington, Tuesday, Dec. 7, 2021. At far left is White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan along with Secretary of State Antony Blinken, right, national security council senior director for Russian and Central Asia, Eric Green. (Adam Schultz/The White House via AP)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-europe-middle-east-russia-ukraine-a010c200fe1d648694ed5b11aa097511

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Biden-Putin talks yield no breakthrough in Ukraine tensions (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 2021 OP
I love looking at this picture Just_Vote_Dem Dec 2021 #1
I remember that left-of-center2012 Dec 2021 #2
Massed Russian armor and troops on the border "don't threaten anyone". The Unmitigated Gall Dec 2021 #3
Good plan. Even Ukraine has asked for weapons not troops IronLionZion Dec 2021 #4
Give Ukraine all the weapons they need. Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #16
Putin DGAF about sanctions. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #5
This Sounds Like A, Defacto, Greenlight... ruet Dec 2021 #6
There is little that would stop him if he chose to invade. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2021 #8
Now That's Cute, USA Cute The Magistrate Dec 2021 #9
Is the Russian military still all powerful. Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #10
There are enough healthy troops, come on. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #11
Post removed Post removed Dec 2021 #12
Different President now. Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #13
Not a matter of giving in. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #14
There is no easy way out. Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #15
Well said. I visited the USSR. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #17
My mother's side of the family is Czech. Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #18
The opposite argument could be made. Happy Hoosier Dec 2021 #19

IronLionZion

(45,163 posts)
4. Good plan. Even Ukraine has asked for weapons not troops
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 06:09 PM
Dec 2021

We can make things very expensive for Putin at a time when the Russian economy is not the strongest and their people are suffering from COVID.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
16. Give Ukraine all the weapons they need.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 05:56 PM
Dec 2021

Russia does not have a unlimited supply of manpower.

Putin is just a bully.



maxsolomon

(32,918 posts)
5. Putin DGAF about sanctions.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 06:57 PM
Dec 2021

They are already heavily sanctioned.

In response, he can turn off the Natural Gas spigot to the EU.

ruet

(10,035 posts)
6. This Sounds Like A, Defacto, Greenlight...
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:04 PM
Dec 2021

for Putin to invade. Never take anything off the table!

maxsolomon

(32,918 posts)
7. There is little that would stop him if he chose to invade.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:43 PM
Dec 2021


Will he take it all, or just the Russian-speaking regions east of the Dneiper?

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
10. Is the Russian military still all powerful.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:34 PM
Dec 2021

I just read their population is being hit hard by the virus.

I think Putin is testing President Biden.

Response to maxsolomon (Reply #11)

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
13. Different President now.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:46 PM
Dec 2021

Trump kissed Putin's butt.

That has changed a lot things.

No matter what he does someone will complain.

Given in to Putin is not a good thing.

maxsolomon

(32,918 posts)
14. Not a matter of giving in.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 04:11 PM
Dec 2021

If Putin takes Ukrainian territory, there is little we can do to stop him unless we want WW3. And we don't.

All we can do is punish him, and we're already doing that, for scores of transgressions.

But we can't punish him too much, we still need Rusher to get to the ISS, and the EU still needs Rusher's natural gas or they'll freeze to death.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
15. There is no easy way out.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 05:52 PM
Dec 2021

Four years with a Russian owned president.

That has left Joe in a tough situation.

I wish Europe didn't get their natural gas from Russia.

Still Russia is not the old Soviet union which is what Putin wants.

Shit.

Trump would have given the Ukraine away already.

Along with Poland and all the other countries of the old Soviet Union.

Rhiannon12866

(202,207 posts)
17. Well said. I visited the USSR.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:03 PM
Dec 2021

Back then, there were satellite countries under the USSR umbrella. I went with my grandmother as part of her peace group and we were originally scheduled to visit Kiev (capital of Ukraine), but Chernobyl happened. So we visited what was then Soviet Georgia (Tbilisi) instead. This was obviously a different county, more Middle Eastern than Russian, with their own language and traditions, but they were forced to adopt both the Russian language and Russian traditions and laws. I couldn't help notice that there were statues of Stalin there which puzzled me, so I asked why. And I was told that they still admired Stalin, who was actually Georgian, because "he killed so many Russians." Enough said.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
18. My mother's side of the family is Czech.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:25 AM
Dec 2021

My Grandmother would write to a first cousin there.

The letters would come censored.

I think the majority of people in Russia do not like Putin

He just steals the elections.

He just a thug and bully and owns a ex American president.

Happy Hoosier

(7,012 posts)
19. The opposite argument could be made.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 03:04 PM
Dec 2021

Why not “Russia cannot invade Ukraine unless it wants WWIII and it doesn’t.”

Russia is relying on is being willing to ultimately allow the to seize whatever territory they want. And if we do allow them, the only question to ask is where is next?

Right now, their model is to seize territory, weather some sanctions, allow normalization, rinse, repeat. A lot of us said that if we allow Russia to keep Crimea, Putin will do it again. Welp. Here we are.

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