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Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:16 AM

Biden-Putin talks yield no breakthrough in Ukraine tensions

Source: AP

By AAMER MADHANI and VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin were still far apart after two hours of talks on the escalating crisis caused by Russia’s massing of tens of thousands of troops near its border with Ukraine.

Biden delivered a simple message during Tuesday’s video call with Putin: invade Ukraine again and face painful sanctions that will do resounding harm to your economy. Putin had his own blunt take, according to his foreign adviser Yuri Ushakov, telling the U.S. president that “the Russian troops are on their own territory, and they don’t threaten anyone.”

With no immediate breakthrough to ease tensions on the Ukraine question, the U.S. emphasized a need for diplomacy and de-escalation, while issuing stern threats to Russia about the high costs of a military incursion.

Biden “told President Putin directly that if Russia further invades Ukraine, the United States and our European allies would respond with strong economic measures,” U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said. He added that Biden said the U.S. would also “provide additional defensive material to the Ukrainians … and we would fortify our NATO allies on the eastern flank with additional capabilities in response to such an escalation.”



In this image provided by The White House, President Joe Biden speaks as he meets virtually via a secure video conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin from the Situation Room at the White House in Washington, Tuesday, Dec. 7, 2021. At far left is White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan along with Secretary of State Antony Blinken, right, national security council senior director for Russian and Central Asia, Eric Green. (Adam Schultz/The White House via AP)


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Reply Biden-Putin talks yield no breakthrough in Ukraine tensions (Original post)
Omaha Steve Dec 8 OP
Just_Vote_Dem Dec 8 #1
left-of-center2012 Dec 8 #2
The Unmitigated Gall Dec 8 #3
IronLionZion Dec 8 #4
Texaswitchy Dec 9 #16
maxsolomon Dec 8 #5
ruet Dec 8 #6
maxsolomon Dec 8 #7
Name removed Dec 9 #8
The Magistrate Dec 9 #9
Texaswitchy Dec 9 #10
maxsolomon Dec 9 #11
Post removed Dec 9 #12
Texaswitchy Dec 9 #13
maxsolomon Dec 9 #14
Texaswitchy Dec 9 #15
Rhiannon12866 Dec 9 #17
Texaswitchy Dec 10 #18
Happy Hoosier Dec 12 #19

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 08:07 AM

1. I love looking at this picture

What a difference from asshole45 staring dreamily at the Putin monster

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Response to Just_Vote_Dem (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 08:46 AM

2. I remember that

It was The look of love

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 01:51 PM

3. Massed Russian armor and troops on the border "don't threaten anyone".

Precious.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:09 PM

4. Good plan. Even Ukraine has asked for weapons not troops

We can make things very expensive for Putin at a time when the Russian economy is not the strongest and their people are suffering from COVID.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 9, 2021, 04:56 PM

16. Give Ukraine all the weapons they need.

Russia does not have a unlimited supply of manpower.

Putin is just a bully.



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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 05:57 PM

5. Putin DGAF about sanctions.

They are already heavily sanctioned.

In response, he can turn off the Natural Gas spigot to the EU.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 06:04 PM

6. This Sounds Like A, Defacto, Greenlight...

for Putin to invade. Never take anything off the table!

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Response to ruet (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 06:43 PM

7. There is little that would stop him if he chose to invade.



Will he take it all, or just the Russian-speaking regions east of the Dneiper?

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Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:54 AM

9. Now That's Cute, USA Cute

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Thu Dec 9, 2021, 12:34 PM

10. Is the Russian military still all powerful.

I just read their population is being hit hard by the virus.

I think Putin is testing President Biden.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:44 PM

11. There are enough healthy troops, come on.

Was the Crimean Annexation a test of Obama?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 9, 2021, 02:46 PM

13. Different President now.


Trump kissed Putin's butt.

That has changed a lot things.

No matter what he does someone will complain.

Given in to Putin is not a good thing.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:11 PM

14. Not a matter of giving in.

If Putin takes Ukrainian territory, there is little we can do to stop him unless we want WW3. And we don't.

All we can do is punish him, and we're already doing that, for scores of transgressions.

But we can't punish him too much, we still need Rusher to get to the ISS, and the EU still needs Rusher's natural gas or they'll freeze to death.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 9, 2021, 04:52 PM

15. There is no easy way out.

Four years with a Russian owned president.

That has left Joe in a tough situation.

I wish Europe didn't get their natural gas from Russia.

Still Russia is not the old Soviet union which is what Putin wants.

Shit.

Trump would have given the Ukraine away already.

Along with Poland and all the other countries of the old Soviet Union.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 9, 2021, 07:03 PM

17. Well said. I visited the USSR.

Back then, there were satellite countries under the USSR umbrella. I went with my grandmother as part of her peace group and we were originally scheduled to visit Kiev (capital of Ukraine), but Chernobyl happened. So we visited what was then Soviet Georgia (Tbilisi) instead. This was obviously a different county, more Middle Eastern than Russian, with their own language and traditions, but they were forced to adopt both the Russian language and Russian traditions and laws. I couldn't help notice that there were statues of Stalin there which puzzled me, so I asked why. And I was told that they still admired Stalin, who was actually Georgian, because "he killed so many Russians." Enough said.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:25 AM

18. My mother's side of the family is Czech.

My Grandmother would write to a first cousin there.

The letters would come censored.

I think the majority of people in Russia do not like Putin

He just steals the elections.

He just a thug and bully and owns a ex American president.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 12, 2021, 02:04 PM

19. The opposite argument could be made.

Why not “Russia cannot invade Ukraine unless it wants WWIII and it doesn’t.”

Russia is relying on is being willing to ultimately allow the to seize whatever territory they want. And if we do allow them, the only question to ask is where is next?

Right now, their model is to seize territory, weather some sanctions, allow normalization, rinse, repeat. A lot of us said that if we allow Russia to keep Crimea, Putin will do it again. Welp. Here we are.

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