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Tue Dec 7, 2021, 09:05 PM

Gov. Whitmer says President Biden's COVID-19 vaccine mandate a 'problem,' report says

Source: Detroit Free Press

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, in her strongest public remarks to date about President Joe Biden's vaccine mandate for employers, said Monday that the requirement is "a problem" for her and state government, according to a published report.

The Daily News in Greenville reported Whitmer as telling business leaders in Montcalm County that she had the same concerns as some of them that the mandate, if enforced, could lead to workers, including those in state government, walking off the job.

"We’re an employer too, the state of Michigan is," Whitmer was reported as saying. "I know if that mandate happens, we’re going to lose state employees. That’s why I haven’t proposed a mandate at the state level. Some states have. We have not, we’re waiting to see what happens in court."

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/6423638001

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Reply Gov. Whitmer says President Biden's COVID-19 vaccine mandate a 'problem,' report says (Original post)
Jose Garcia Dec 7 OP
Ferrets are Cool Dec 7 #1
ybbor Dec 7 #2
yaesu Dec 7 #14
Ferrets are Cool Dec 8 #24
Chin music Dec 8 #21
catbyte Dec 7 #6
Rebl2 Dec 7 #12
Ferrets are Cool Dec 8 #25
catbyte Dec 8 #27
Ferrets are Cool Dec 8 #30
karynnj Dec 8 #29
DownriverDem Dec 7 #3
MichMan Dec 7 #7
Chin music Dec 7 #19
LisaL Dec 7 #4
JohnSJ Dec 7 #5
catbyte Dec 7 #8
JohnSJ Dec 7 #10
vercetti2021 Dec 7 #9
JohnSJ Dec 7 #11
Chin music Dec 8 #22
yaesu Dec 7 #13
Lucky Luciano Dec 7 #15
Skittles Dec 7 #16
progree Dec 7 #17
gab13by13 Dec 7 #18
christx30 Dec 8 #20
Chin music Dec 8 #23
Lucky Luciano Dec 8 #26
Chin music Dec 8 #28
radicalleft Dec 8 #31

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 09:05 PM

1. SMH

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 09:12 PM

2. You don't know what she's dealing with here.

She has both the house and senate controlled by Rs. Trump has emboldened all the crazies.

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Response to ybbor (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:50 PM

14. I deal with the same in W MI, I called them floaters as they follow the flushed turd, I think going

against Biden will sink her election, not help. Her numbers were just fine when she told the fascists to get fucked, now she looks weak.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 08:49 AM

24. Bingo!!

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:17 PM

6. She needs to do this if she wants to be re-elected next November. I'm still with her.

There are a lot of shitheads about this in Michigan right now.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:32 PM

12. Same thing in KS

Dem Governor and state house pretty much republicans. KS Governor spoke out against the mandate. She thinks it will help her in her re-election, but I seriously doubt it will.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 08:50 AM

25. So? It's all about getting elected...not keeping people safe.

Again, SMH.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:24 AM

27. It's a heluva lot better than losing the governorship to a republican. She has done

so much more for us than any gqp governor would have ever done. If you're not in Michigan, you wouldn't understand.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 01:51 PM

30. So? Trying to save lives will guarantee a loss. You must be a prophet to know these things.

I would rather save ONE life than be a governor with that death on my hands. YMMV.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:28 PM

29. That is not how I read her comments

I know mandates result in more vaccinations which mean less hospitalizations and death. However, the state also needs to function and it will be tough if too many employees leave. The NYC experience was that though there were complaints, virtually all police, firemen etc complied. It may not be the same in places like Michigan.

It might be that a position of advocating and providing easy access and incentives for vaccinating, but not mandating, vaccines might be as far as you can go in some red states.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 09:16 PM

3. We have

a lot of trumpers here.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:17 PM

7. Trumpers are making Gov Whitmer oppose the Federal mandate?

She doesn't have to impose her own, she could just support the one currently going through the courts that President Biden issued by not saying anything

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 09:22 PM

4. Michigan is having one of the worst covid outbreaks in the country right now.

But it's a vaccine mandate that's a problem?

"Michigan continues to struggle amid the pandemic, setting a record this week for Covid-19 hospitalizations and leading the nation in per capita case rates, new data reveal."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/07/health/michigan-covid-cases-hospitalizations/index.html

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:11 PM

5. Beto doesn't want Biden in Texas, Whitmer thinks mandated vaccines aren't a good idea, Tester

is against vaccine mandates, add a cup of Manchin and Sinema, and the results of the midterms should not surprise anyone


Does Whitmer believe this will help her with republicans?

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:18 PM

8. No, but independents got her elected here and if she alienates them, we're sunk.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:26 PM

10. If the independents don't believe in public health and science, then we are already sunk.

I wonder if those independents believe in a woman’s right to choose?

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:19 PM

9. 2010 syndrome

Democrats ran away from Obama due to the ACA and look at what happened. Instead of running on it. They ran away and lost in mass. No one fucking learns

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Response to vercetti2021 (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:27 PM

11. No they don't.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:44 PM

13. Umm, let them walk, take a few days to train national guard until replacements can be hired

Done & done.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:51 PM

15. Exactly. A few months with zero income and no unemployment benefits will set them straight.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 10:58 PM

16. fuck them, LET THEM WALK

they are willing to compromise the health of their coworkers and help to spread a virus, ENOUGH ALREADY

START TRAINING THEIR REPLACEMENTS NOW

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 11:05 PM

17. I see this as a problem: US new cases up 70% since Oct 25 low, highest since Sept 25

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reversing nearly 2 1/2 months of progress. (7 day moving average = 7dma)

It's particularly sad because the Monday (Nov 29) that dropped out of the 7 day moving average period was one that was somewhat artificially high because it had some backlogged cases reported from the Thanksgiving weekend. I was hoping that when that Monday dropped off, the 7 day moving average might go down a bit. But no, Monday Dec 6's   7dma was even higher than Mon Nov 29. Maybe Tuesday Nov 30 -- also somewhat swollen with Thanksgiving 4-day weekend backlog (for example, my state, Minnesota reports weekend cases on Tuesday) -- will, when it drops out of the 7dma, bring the 7dma down a bit.

But that's the last of the special circumstances that might help with the 7dma. Unless last Wednesday (Dec 1) also had a significant number of Thanksgiving 4-day weekend cases, which i have no reason to believe it does.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
(no paywall no quota. The "Last 90 days" button above the graph is extremely helpful. The map is not to be missed)

Top 16 in Daily new cases per capita, 7 day moving average (includes Monday Dec 6 cases)

#1 New Hampshire
#2 Michigan (has been #1 or #2 for about a month)
#3 Minnesota
#4 Rhode Island
#5 Vermont
#6 New Mexico
#7 Wisconsin
#8 Indiana
#9 Massachusetts
#10 Ohio
#11-#16: NoDak, SoDak, Kansas, W.Virginia, Delaware, Pennsylvania

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As for what states are changing in 7-day new case averages: For one, the South is increasing again. All of the southern states are increasing. All of them.

The only states that are decreasing: Iowa, Washington, Idaho, Maine, Wyoming, Colorado, Hawaii, Alaska, Montana

2 states are flat. The other 39 states are rising. For a 39-9-2 record.

Increasing means the 7 day moving average ending December 6 is higher than the 7 day moving average ending November 22 (which is 14 days prior to Dec 6).

Deaths up 39% from Nov 29 low (they lag increases in cases by a month or a little more).

The world is on fire too -- new cases are up 50% since the October 14 low (7dma).
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Dec 7, 2021, 11:13 PM

18. Money trumps death.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:25 AM

20. Which is more important for a politician?

Dealing with a crisis? Or keeping the lights on?
“Sorry that basic services your tax dollars pay for will be down for an indeterminate. There’s a large chunk of the state workforce that refuses to get vaccinated.”

Would you want to be governor, and have to explain that to your state? That you can’t keep basic stuff in your state working? Absent a viable alternative, she’s just gonna have to let things be, and hope for the best.
What else can she do if she loses 30-40% of the state workforce? We’re getting into winter. What happens if nearly half of the snowplows stop? Or people running the courthouse? Or state assistance office? What kind of back log would that create?
There are no good answers. Just some that are t as awful as the rest.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:01 AM

26. Yup - they'll cave in just like the loudmouth cops did in nyc and Chicago.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 03:37 PM

31. I support her in this...

She is between a rock and a hard place. The R legislature has and continue to make things tough for her and her team. Coming up on an election year, a mandate at the state level could really backfire among independents. The attack ads would be non stop and full of hate and vitriol.

If we lose state workers going into the winter, it could prove deadly. Until she has the backing of the USSC, she can't really do much.

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