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Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

Epstein accuser says Maxwell and Epstein groomed her, Maxwell was often in room during abuse

Source: Washington Post

NEW YORK — A 41-year-old woman told jurors Tuesday how Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly helped groom and recruit her into the life of financier Jeffrey Epstein decades ago, including watching at times as Epstein forced her into sexual acts.

The woman — testifying under the pseudonym Jane — was the first of four alleged victims who will testify at Maxwell’s sex-trafficking trial in U.S. District Court in Manhattan. She gave a mostly matter-of-fact account of being lured into Epstein’s world of daily erotic massages as a 14-year-old and globe-trotting on private jets.

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On the witness stand, Jane, now a professional singer and actress, said she met Maxwell and Epstein at a prestigious summer camp for music students for which Epstein was a benefactor.

The pair invited the girl and her mother to tea at Epstein’s mansion in Palm Beach, Fla., and earned the mother’s trust as potential mentors for her daughter, prosecutors allege. Eventually, Epstein paid for the girl’s schooling and an apartment in New York where she and her family stayed.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/mxwell-epstein-victim/2021/11/30/94d9a07e-520f-11ec-9267-17ae3bde2f26_story.html

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Reply Epstein accuser says Maxwell and Epstein groomed her, Maxwell was often in room during abuse (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 30 OP
Effete Snob Nov 30 #1
Enter stage left Nov 30 #2
live love laugh Nov 30 #4
Enter stage left Nov 30 #7
Effete Snob Nov 30 #9
Enter stage left Nov 30 #10
Effete Snob Nov 30 #11
Post removed Nov 30 #12
Effete Snob Nov 30 #14
Effete Snob Dec 1 #30
live love laugh Dec 1 #25
Effete Snob Nov 30 #8
peppertree Nov 30 #6
Effete Snob Dec 1 #26
GusBob Nov 30 #13
Effete Snob Dec 1 #29
GusBob Dec 1 #31
VarryOn Nov 30 #3
obamanut2012 Dec 1 #17
Doodley Dec 1 #27
live love laugh Nov 30 #5
Carlitos Brigante Dec 1 #15
Sherman A1 Dec 1 #16
multigraincracker Dec 1 #18
Mike Nelson Dec 1 #19
mopinko Dec 1 #20
Mike Nelson Dec 1 #21
mopinko Dec 1 #22
Mike Nelson Dec 1 #23
Mike Nelson Dec 1 #24
Mysterian Dec 1 #28

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:11 PM

1. Other than Epstein, with whom was she coerced to perform such acts?

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:17 PM

2. What difference does that make?

If there are others involved, that is a different charge.

Try to keep your mind on THIS trial.

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Response to Enter stage left (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:20 PM

4. How do you know it's a different charge?

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:44 PM

7. What don't you understand, we are trying to get ONE person convicted in child trafficking...

It is important that we get her convicted.

if she implicates or implies there were high officials, important people, past presidents, or foreign dignitaries involved, that is an issue that can be taken up later.

Let's find out whether or not she and Epstein are guilty of the charges being brought.

One step at a time, that's how justice works.

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Response to Enter stage left (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

9. Uh, yeah, it's a trafficking case

So, you’re saying that they shouldn’t introduce evidence of the people to whom the victims were trafficked?

That makes zero sense whatsoever.

And, no, they aren’t trying to prove Epstein is guilty of anything. He’s not on trial.

You want to explain why they had pilot “I didn’t see nothing” testify then?

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:10 PM

10. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST...

re-read my second paragraph in my reply.

Pay attention, "if she implicates or implies there were high officials, important people, past presidents, or foreign dignitaries involved".

I never said anything about hiding that evidence, I am concentrating on THIS TRIAL OF THIS PERSON involved in CHILD TRAFFICKING.

Let's get through this trial first. If others are complicit (no matter who they are, ours or theirs) we'll go after them when she if convicted.

Just read the whole post before replying, please!

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Response to Enter stage left (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:17 PM

11. I did read your post


Your post makes no sense.

Maxwell is on trial for trafficking girls to have sex with persons other than herself. The charge requires the prosecution to show that’s what she did. Evidence and testimony about the extent of her activities in procuring victims for various men is extremely relevant to what she’s been charged with doing.

That basic observation hardly warrants your bizarre response.

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Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:47 PM

14. Wow

So I’m a Russian troll for asking who this victim identified, and for pointing out that evidence of sex trafficking is relevant to a sex trafficking trial.

Here at the Kremlin, this kind of work on DU is a top priority.

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Response to Enter stage left (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 04:17 PM

30. Here's the problem

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10264045/Jeffrey-Epstein-drove-accuser-Mar-Lago-meet-Donald-Trump-14.html

However, Jane claimed that she was never directed to have sex with any of Epstein's associates nor was she asked to recruit other girls.


Are you suggesting she's lying?

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Response to Enter stage left (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 11:17 AM

25. You did not answer my question. Apparently you can't.

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Response to Enter stage left (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:47 PM

8. I wanted to know


Wtf is up with people?

I’m not obsessively following this case and thought someone else might know.

If Maxwell trafficked her to other people, that would be an important part of a sex trafficking case.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:29 PM

6. Therein lies the rub

No pun intended.

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Response to peppertree (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 11:23 AM

26. The witness yesterday testified to that?


I thought that only Virginia Giuffre had named other people as abusers.

I've looked at the various civil proceedings, the released material from the Florida prosecution, and documentary interviews with Epstein victims. With the exception of Giuffre, none of them supports the "secret cabal of powerful abusers" Q stuff.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:37 PM

13. According to the testimony in the OP

Other people included ‘other young girls whose ages she didn’t know’ engaged in what is described as ‘orgies’

so there were other participants involved in that manner, to answer your question-. Witnesses, other victims, or willing participants remains to be discovered, I guess.

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Response to GusBob (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 04:17 PM

29. That doesn't support the "secret cabal of powerful child abusers" theory


She affirmatively denied being coerced into abuse by Epstein's associates:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10264045/Jeffrey-Epstein-drove-accuser-Mar-Lago-meet-Donald-Trump-14.html

However, Jane claimed that she was never directed to have sex with any of Epstein's associates nor was she asked to recruit other girls.

So the answer, which I eventually found on my own, is pretty simple.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 04:24 PM

31. For this victim no it does not

the orgy description does reflect the inclination to engage the victim with other people, that is about all.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:18 PM

3. This woman is a b****, a c***, a low-life, etc, etc....

Not one ounce of sympathy from me. Throw her under the jail....

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Response to VarryOn (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 04:57 AM

17. Do you have to use gendered slurs? Seriously?

You can't just call her a sociopath, an asshole, etc.? Your first thought is to call her gendered slurs, including a harsh one based on a woman's genitals. Yo9u really think that is appropriate EVER, but especially for a trial where young women were trafficked?

God, this place sometimes.

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Response to VarryOn (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 12:58 PM

27. Are you saying she lied?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:23 PM

5. One thing is for sure Bill Clinton didn't participate.

If they had anything on him, we’d know it — even though they’re hush hush about the REAL higher level perps.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 12:14 AM

15. "prestigious summer camp for music students for which Epstein was a benefactor.". Gotta

say that this one's new for me. And I thought I knew quite a bit already about this monstrous ghoul.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 04:11 AM

16. It will be interesting to see how this case plays out

And what information is divulged as it progresses.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 07:14 AM

18. Same here, I'm waiting until it's over

and we see the evidence before I get excited. That's why we have trials and lynching is illegal.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 07:16 AM

19. Well...

... I wonder what's up with Jane's family? If this man wanted to pay for my 14-year-old daughter's schooling, have her visit his Palm Beach mansion, and pay for an apartment in NYC... well, some alarm bells would go off...

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 07:34 AM

20. some people have totally unrealistic goals for their kids.

yeah, they are obviously stupid. but i can see where you can have a blind spot if you have expectations for your kids. none of us do it all by themselves. we all look for people who can boost our offspring.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 08:16 AM

21. Probably...

... I'm too critical. I'm a victim... my father left and my mother had turned to alcohol; she had no idea. Your parents are your first line of defense. I had none... so that's probably why I question...

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 08:33 AM

22. i'm so sorry.

my son was a victim, and didnt tell me for 15 yrs. i really had to admit i wasnt the mom i thought i was when he told me. but it was a 1 time thing.
i mostly held them pretty close, cuz i know how many assholes are out there.
they seemed to have pretty good radar themselves, tho. i never pushed them to do anything, much as i wanted them to follow their interests. there were a couple times that i got a creepy vibe, and the kids said- nah, i dont rly want to do that.

but when you are rly struggling to take care of your kids, it gets easy to brush that stuff off. sounds like your mom was desperate. i hope you have healed. at least enough to get on w life. my son still struggles.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 08:52 AM

23. I'm okay...

... but it's always there. Yes, you can get the wrong vibe... most people are nice, and they want to be nice to young children. We should not have to lose that, because of the bad people... My mother struggled with three kids... she knew something was weird. Years later, she told me she would find me sleepwalking, or watching TV at night... I didn't remember. I woke up on the bathroom floor, once. I was just frozen - could not do anything. We really need more education, so parents and children can identify and stop the behavior.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 08:58 AM

24. Hmm...

... I should add that when I was watching TV at night, there was nothing on TV. She said she found me watching the TV set, but it was static. I had no memory and thought she must be confused... now, of course, I think I was trying to stay out of my bed.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:04 PM

28. Kinda sounds like she's screwed

Ghislane is looking at many years behind bars.

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