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Sat Nov 27, 2021, 08:41 AM

Man shot and killed at military base entrance in San Diego

Source: The Hill

A person suspected of being armed with a knife was fatally shot on Friday by personnel at an entrance to San Diego's Marine Corps Recruit Depot (MCRD).

The shooting occurred at the MCRD's main visitors’ entrance shortly before noon local time when a vehicle attempted to enter the base at its gate 5 checkpoint, according to a local San Diego news station, Fox 5.

Employees from the base asked the vehicle to stop, but the person exited their vehicle and allegedly approached the employees with a knife, Fox 5 reported.

MCRD officials said the person had “hostile intent,” and the person was shot by base personnel after being given several warnings, Fox 5 added.


Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/583226-man-shot-and-killed-at-military-base-entrance-in-san-diego

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Reply Man shot and killed at military base entrance in San Diego (Original post)
brooklynite Nov 27 OP
Busterscruggs Nov 27 #1
Kaleva Nov 27 #5
Busterscruggs Nov 27 #14
MarineCombatEngineer Nov 27 #2
twodogsbarking Nov 27 #3
2naSalit Nov 27 #4
MarineCombatEngineer Nov 27 #6
2naSalit Nov 27 #7
MarineCombatEngineer Nov 27 #8
ripcord Nov 27 #9
yagotme Nov 27 #11
MarineCombatEngineer Nov 27 #12
Polybius Nov 27 #15
yagotme Nov 27 #10
MarineCombatEngineer Nov 27 #13
manicdem Nov 27 #16
rockfordfile Nov 27 #17

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 08:59 AM

1. Where is all this violence

Coming from? Has society lost its collective mind? Things are improving but still all of this just keeps happening. The world used to be a much more mellow place.

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Response to Busterscruggs (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 10:03 AM

5. Native Americans, Blacks, Jews, Asians, etc. have fond memories of the good old days.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 12:39 PM

14. That's a good point

But, I was thinking in the past 10 years or so the violence has escalated rapidly

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:20 AM

2. And, as I have posted here before,

during my career in the Marines, I did a 2 year stint with the Marine Security Forces and this is exactly how we were trained to take down someone with hostile intent, we were trained not to physically engage someone with knife, if they refused to drop the knife, we dropped them.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:54 AM

3. Understandable. Serious shit.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:59 AM

4. Can't just wound and arrest?

You just kill them, problem solved? Never made sense at any time.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 10:04 AM

6. I never said we were trained to kill them,

we were trained to never physically engage anyone with a knife and hostile intent, we were trained to shoot until the threat was neutralized, which could include death.

Thankfully, I never had to face that scenario and I was happy to return to my duties as a combat engineer.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 10:06 AM

7. Unfortunately...

Anyone in a uniform using gunfire to "neutralize" a threat more often than not end up killing the perp.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 10:10 AM

8. Very true,

but someone with hostile intent armed with a knife is just as much of a threat as someone with a firearm, and physically engaging someone with a knife is an excellent way to get injured or killed.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 11:03 AM

9. They are not a police force nt

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Response to ripcord (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 11:09 AM

11. Guards at gate are MP/Security force.

Military Police.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 12:16 PM

12. Not in the sense of being POST certified, like civilian police officers,

but we were Military Police, trained to deal with military matters.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 01:33 PM

15. So the moral of the story should be to drop the knife, you live

Hold the knife and charge, you might die. Seems simple enough.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 11:08 AM

10. Real life, not Hollywood (even if it's MCRD SD :})

Security, police, corrections, etc., are trained to shoot center mass. Larger target, easier to hit (or to not miss). Lots of important things in chest cavity, that don't take well to being punctured. You don't go hand to hand with someone with a knife, 2 people will be going to the hospital/morgue. You don't shoot the knife out of their hand, because it is usually moving, very small target to hit under stress, etc. Same with leg, arm, whatever. If you're dumb enough to try and force your way onto a military installation with just a knife, you're bucking for a posthumous Darwin award.

Semper Fi (2 yrs total at MCRD SD)

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Response to yagotme (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 12:17 PM

13. +100. nt

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 04:13 PM

16. Shoot to wound isn't a thing

There are a lot of unknowns. If a person is charging at you how many shots can you get off? If you shoot to the legs, many of your shots will miss. Of those that hit, it's possible it may be ineffective. Shots to the body are easier to make and more effective overall so your odds of surviving the situation are better, though there are still no guarantees.

Ultimately it comes down to would you sacrifice your life, or lives of others, to protect the criminal?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 06:12 PM

17. The person wouldn't put down the knife.

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