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Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:19 PM

U.S. to restrict travel from South Africa and other countries as it assesses risks of new omicron

Source: Washington Post

NANTUCKET, Mass. — The United States will restrict travel from South Africa and seven other countries starting on Monday, according to a senior Biden administration official. The policy was implemented out of “an abundance of caution in light of a new covid-19 variant circulating in Southern Africa,” the official said. Several other countries, including France, Britain, Japan and Israel have set restrictions for air travelers arriving from southern Africa.

The restrictions will apply to travelers from South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique, and Malawi. They do not apply to American citizens and lawful permanent residents, the official said. The announcement came after the White House arranged a meeting Friday between U.S. and South African doctors to learn more about the new omicron variant of the coronavirus that is spreading in that region, President Biden’s chief medical adviser Anthony S. Fauci said Friday.

Biden was also briefed Friday on the variant, the White House said. Fauci, in an interview on CNN’s “New Day,” said the new variant has “some mutations” that “are raising some concern” — including “with regard to possibly transmissibility increase and possibly evasion of immune response.” “We want to find out scientist-to-scientist exactly what is going on,” Fauci said of the meeting, which was still going on as of 11 a.m. Friday.

On Friday morning, the stock market tumbled, with the Dow Jones falling more than 900 points on concerns about the new strain, its worst day of the year thus far at its close. The S&P 500 was also off by about 1.4 percent in early trading. The World Health Organization announced the official name of the variant, in line with protocols, and labeled it a “variant of concern: in a statement Friday morning. WHO said it was first alerted to the variant by South Africa on Wednesday.



Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/26/biden-south-africa-variant/



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Reply U.S. to restrict travel from South Africa and other countries as it assesses risks of new omicron (Original post)
BumRushDaShow Nov 26 OP
DanieRains Nov 26 #1
Richard D Nov 26 #2
PA_jen Nov 26 #3
IronLionZion Nov 26 #4
cab67 Nov 26 #6
cab67 Nov 26 #7
Richard D Nov 26 #14
BlueWavePsych Nov 26 #5
madville Nov 26 #8
LisaL Nov 26 #9
totodeinhere Nov 26 #10
choie Nov 26 #11
progree Nov 26 #12
msfiddlestix Nov 26 #13
BumRushDaShow Nov 27 #15
msfiddlestix Nov 27 #18
BumRushDaShow Nov 27 #19
msfiddlestix Nov 27 #21
BumRushDaShow Nov 27 #23
msfiddlestix Nov 27 #24
BumRushDaShow Nov 27 #25
GusBob Nov 27 #16
BumRushDaShow Nov 27 #17
GusBob Nov 27 #20
BumRushDaShow Nov 27 #22

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:24 PM

1. Oh Crap Joe You Are Supposed To Rail Against South Africa And Restrict Some Travel While Letting

Everybody come that wants to just like TFG did with China.

Bad bad bad China.

Everything is China's fault.

China, China, China.

Everyone must forget this .... We warned Israel of Covid in NOVEMBER and TFG did NOTHING (but lie about everything)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

And never mention the scientists that left China who were looking for viruses because TFG didn't want to spend the money.

Joe should be more like TFG and simply order refrigerator trucks for hospitals, and learn to blame others better.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:24 PM

2. How did we get from delta to omicron?

From the 4th letter in the alphabet to the 15th?

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Response to Richard D (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:38 PM

3. Someone with ore knowledge may let us know. The brief understanding of friend of mine

doing research on this. I think part of the way the variants get the name is the type and way the virus mutates. I remember hearing of Mu and Lamda variants being in a couple countries but it doesn't seem to reach U.S.

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Response to Richard D (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:29 PM

4. WHO links for more info

there are many variants discovered before but this one got it's classification today.

Other variants:
https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/


Omicron
https://www.who.int/news/item/26-11-2021-classification-of-omicron-(b.1.1.529)-sars-cov-2-variant-of-concern

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Response to Richard D (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 04:13 PM

6. my understanding

is that they deliberately skipped Nu, going from Mu straight to Omicron. "Nu strain," phonetically, could be taken a couple of ways. The Lambda and Mu strains never really made inroads in the US.

Not sure what happened to Epsilon through Kappa, but my guess would be they applied to various strains with limited global impact.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 04:20 PM

7. I found most of them.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:31 PM

14. great.

Thank you all.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:50 PM

5. What scientists know about the new variant, B.1.1.529. (Omnicron)

The new variant, B.1.1.529, has a “very unusual constellation of mutations,” with more than 30 in the spike protein alone, according to Tulio de Oliveira, director of the KwaZulu-Natal Research and Innovation Sequencing Platform.

The variant shares similarities with the Lambda and Beta variants, which are associated with an innate evasion of immunity, said Richard Lessells, an infectious diseases specialist at the KwaZulu-Natal Research and Innovation Sequencing Platform.

“All these things are what give us some concern that this variant might have not just enhanced transmissibility, so spread more efficiently, but might also be able to get around parts of the immune system and the protection we have in our immune system,” Dr. Lessells said.

The new variant has largely been detected among young people, the cohort that also has the lowest vaccination rate in South Africa. Just over a quarter of those ages between 18 and 34 in South Africa are vaccinated, said Dr. Joe Phaahla, the country’s minister of health.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/26/world/new-covid-variant-omicron.html

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 04:38 PM

8. It's not a matter of if it gets here, just when

Pretty much impossible to keep a new variant out of the US, maybe they can slow it down a little though.

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Response to madville (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 05:04 PM

9. Very true.

You have to completely shut down travel to keep it from US, and we are far from it.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 05:42 PM

10. These restrictions will be totally useless if all travelers including citizens and legal residents

are not banned from traveling to this country from that area. None of this quarantine crap. I don't want to trust my life to someone else's honesty. People violate quarantines all the time.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 06:31 PM

11. Might be a good idea to

restrict travel TO South Africa as well.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 07:21 PM

12. Graph: Omicron variant 90% of all sequenced in S. Africa in 20 days vs. 90 days for delta

Last edited Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:42 PM - Edit history (1)

I read the numbers off the below graph, so the title numbers are approximate



https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/new-concerning-variant-b11529

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 07:30 PM

13. Good. Actually I was expecting a more immediate order.. curious why delay the order to Monday?

scratching head over logic. just curious. must be a good reason, if someone knows please enlighten.

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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 04:46 AM

15. I think that was to give time for people to rearrange their flights

Remember that this past week has been a holiday week and you may have many here in the U.S. attending college who are from the impacted countries, and that means a big decision if they had either flown "home" for the week and intended to come back for school this weekend or may have had family fly here for a visit, who don't want to get trapped here.

Remember that all flight restrictions to the U.S. were just lifted Nov. 8 IIRC. So you also have tourists here this time of the year who couldn't come here for over a year - especially coming to see the big parades and perhaps wanting to do an extended stay to see the Christmas tree lightings, etc.

I was literally just listening to a news report while typing this, and the reporter had a comment from a South African woman mentioning about how her plans had now changed and she would need to leave now or be stuck.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:15 AM

18. Good points...

I had random thoughts about a few of these possibilities.. partly thinking exceptions could be made to accommodate Americans who had just arrived in these affected countries and now need to return per mandate. But I suppose the logistical burdens would be rather onerous on airlines etc as well as travelers.

This contagion is certainly beyond burdensome, though. Everyone is sick and tired of it, no puns intended really. I've always harbored paranoid feelings about world travelers as super spreaders for the more common viruses, and were it not for that, we'd be better off. But then I admonish myself for going there, and I try to be conscience of the fact that kind of thinking is not helpful nor is it exactly compassionate. It's a constant struggle,

Our local jam sessions and limited opportunities for gigs are impacted as well which is a very self absorbed thing I struggle with

Thank you for reminding me, we live in a very small world, and somehow we have to carry on together.









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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 09:39 AM

19. I think we are actually living through what would be

a sortof "freak" occurrence that is happening on a global scale, although several have happened in the near and distant past (TB being one closest as a respiratory ailment - but being a bacteria vs a virus, it would eventually be easier to treat vs a virus).

What makes it difficult now is that the large pandemics of the past were during times when the global travel was only a tiny fraction of what we are capable of today and the number of deaths attributable to them back in the day were due to a lack of scientific know-how down to the molecular level.

The 1918 pandemic resulted in similar spread and pushback by the populace but it eventually burned itself out and became endemic, probably because you didn't have the type of global travel that we have today, with that travel mainly due to WW1 troop movements and emigration from war-torn areas.

The hope at this point is that with the Omicron supposedly being even more contagious, that it isn't to the degree that Mumps or Measles are, because at that point, that is when the forced quarantines might start happening (and you can imagine the outcry - we saw that with the possibility of Ebola here and that was as a hemorrhagic disease-causing virus, which is not even an airborne virus like COVID-19).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 10:24 AM

21. Interesting graph. makes it more relatable

than ordinary graphs in a way. Do you know what RO stands for? Reoccurring Outbreak?



I don't remember push-back with the vaccinations for mumps and measles, polio etc; hard to imagine on a scale which has occurred with Covid and it's variants. Of course I was young in the fifties but remember getting vaccinated at school. Never heard my parents or friends parents expressing paranoid grievances of government intrusions.

I hadn't been aware until recently there had been a reactionary push-back on the 1918 flu pandemic. But then I suppose if television and mass communication infrastructure were in place then, it could have been what we have been seeing now.

Hell I recall seeing the smallpox vaccination marks/scars on the upper arms of adults all through my childhood and teen years. The stories were scary. By this time we didn't need them apparently because it was deemed to have been sufficiently eradicated.

However I just recently read a report that smallpox has once again returned. I certainly realize there must be a Biological explanation, sans leaks from a lab.

But it's beginning to raise questions and certainly grist for all manner of conspiracy mills. I'm not going there, but its not hard to see CT's spiking just as feverishly and rampantly as the viruses themselves.

Yes, very freakish times we're living through.










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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 11:00 AM

23. "R0"

where the "0" is a "zero" (or "naught" ) is a mathematical term for "rate of transmission" (or "reproduction rate" ) - https://www.healthline.com/health/r-naught-reproduction-number#meaning

It is used on and off along with the "positivity" rate (which is the percent of tests that come back "positive" out of each day's total number of tests - usually using data over 7 - 14 days to smooth out the numbers due to normal "spikes" ).

The goal/hope is that you can get a circulating virus down to a R0 of "less than 1" (where 1 person infects "less than 1 person", meaning they are are only mildly infectious) and to get the positivity down below 5%, which is more manageable. In general, those monitoring these viruses don't just use one tool but multiple ones to gauge where we are with them, so the more tools producing data, the merrier.

With respect to the other vaccines you mention - since over the years, the focus was on children for many of them, that is probably why there wasn't much push back because decades ago, people saw what happened when children contracted various diseases from those viruses (and suffered the long-term effects). So "vaccination" against them generally became a "miracle" and non-issue, and in fact mandatory for most schools at some point, although more and more recent "anti-vax" stuff - particularly that mess about vaccines causing autism (a study that was later retracted), has really thrown a monkey wrench into trying to get childhood vaccines done without all the nonsense.

And when it comes to either bacteria (like TB or the Plague) or viruses like Polio - just like we see with COVID-19, they can and do occasionally mutate and when that happens, the hope is if someone is already vaccinated, that the body can mount an effective response to it. But as a note, many of the childhood vaccines also offer "boosters" for adults if they want them.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 12:11 PM

24. Many thanks..

Now I that I've learned what RO refers to, I can understand the analysis correctly! Math and Graphs always a weakness for me.

Thank you!

I recall the reports linking a certain preservative in vaccinations to autism Those reports were given amplification with Joe Kennedy, which I tended to regard as very credible at the time I believed him entirely.

I finally dismissed it some years later, but it was in mind when my first granddaughter was born, I pleaded with my daughter not to allow her to be vaccinated with anything at birth.

In mind was an experience of a violent reaction my daughter in infancy had with her first round of rubella vaccinations. Within an hour of that shot, she had suddenly become feverish, actually spiked to 105 F., which then she had gone into convulsions, Fortunately it happened a friend who was a former medic had been visiting, went into immediate action bathing her in ice water to bring her fever down.

The next day, the fever was gone, but she had red spots all over her tummy and back, which turned out to be the Rubella measles that she had just been vaccinated for. Later in her early 20's she began getting severe migraine headaches which she still suffers from to this day at 50 years old. She manages it with medications but it's been a tough and tormenting struggle.

I always wonder if there was a connection. I rarely get any kind of headaches of any kind.

All that to say, that I have often wondered if certain disabilities could be attributed to something in the vaccinations as original cause, but not to the degree keeping me from getting my flu shots, pneumonia shot when it's time, tetanus boosters, shingles. and d course all three Covid shots!













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Response to msfiddlestix (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 12:33 PM

25. You are welcome!



And I understand the hesitancy. You just don't know if/when you may have an anaphylactic reaction to anything. I know as a young kid, we always used to go Jersey to get crabs. But at some point in my late teens, I casually had a crab cake and within an hour was completely covered in hives over my entire body. Months later, I tried just a tiny sliver of crab leg meat to see if it was the crab or something in that earlier crab cake - and again, severe reaction, although not as bad (had antihistamine at the ready). From that point on over 40 years later, I haven't touched (at least knowingly) any crab. I always mention it to doctors if asked and they assume I am allergic to other shellfish, which is not the case. One of these days I might be tempted to try again since I used to be allergic to dog/cat hair too and that went away thankfully by the time I was in my 30s.

It's just like the peanut allergies - you just don't know. The body is such a complex system and it all goes back to what is often said about getting vaccinated - "risk vs benefit".

And it's often helpful when you are immunized when you are younger and whether there was any adverse reactions at that point, and that would guide how vaccinations might be handled in the future. In some cases, I wouldn't put it past someone getting either a wrong vaccine or the wrong dose of it, which might have caused the body's overreaction and whether that is admitted by (or even known by) the person administering it. So all that is left out there is only "the vaccine cause a severe adverse reaction" without really knowing why and whether it was the wrong one, the wrong dose of it, or some underlying condition that was triggered - either by the vaccine or randomly at the time time of vaccination.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 05:08 AM

16. As of the 26th it has been found in countries outside of those on the ban list

Hong Kong, Israel, Belgium and the Netherlands

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Response to GusBob (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 05:41 AM

17. Now that other countries are aware of this variant

the list will grow rather quickly over the next couple weeks and I expect the "no travel" order will go BACK into effect at some point.

I think it was just lifted November 8th and seems that didn't last long.

There is a bizarre correlation with "lifting restrictions" RIGHT when the newest variant is about to take over (we might recall the "throw off your masks and hug your grandkids again" announcement back in May just as Delta was about to take over ).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 10:13 AM

20. 2 cases in the UK now

Not to be a chicken little but this reminding me of Delta

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Response to GusBob (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 10:34 AM

22. Yup and exactly what happened with Delta

where I think Delta came here from India but the travel restrictions to/from there came too late.

In fact, I believe what was Alpha was the one that came here from the UK and Italy (right into NYC) early on and the original wild-type "Wuhan" one came into Seattle direct from China (since the west coast is where the travel back and forth to the far east generally happens). The difference between reactions to the wild type vs Alpha at the time, was like day and night in terms of virulence.

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