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Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:20 AM

Stephen K. Bannon files motion to request all documents in court case be made public

Source: Washington Post

Stephen K. Bannon, the former Trump White House adviser, has filed an opposition to the U.S. district court’s standard protective order for discovery, which prohibits either side from releasing documents or evidence publicly.


Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/stephen-k-bannons-lawyers-file-opposition-to-keeping-documents-from-being-released/2021/11/25/29889174-4e3e-11ec-b73b-a00d6e559a6e_story.html



Seattle Times really has a better article on this, but gave the national paper the nod:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/bannons-lawyers-file-opposition-to-keeping-documents-from-being-released/

Sorry little red Stephen, we'll know all about your little insurrection soon!

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Reply Stephen K. Bannon files motion to request all documents in court case be made public (Original post)
cadoman Nov 26 OP
True Dough Nov 26 #1
stopdiggin Nov 26 #35
bucolic_frolic Nov 26 #2
former9thward Nov 26 #10
WhiteTara Nov 26 #15
former9thward Nov 26 #18
lastlib Nov 26 #24
former9thward Nov 26 #27
Mr.Bill Nov 26 #31
wnylib Nov 26 #37
Slammer Nov 26 #33
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 26 #13
Midnight Writer Nov 26 #3
TheRickles Nov 26 #8
cstanleytech Nov 26 #9
former9thward Nov 26 #11
cstanleytech Nov 26 #16
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 26 #17
former9thward Nov 26 #21
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 26 #22
GemDigger Nov 26 #28
wnylib Nov 26 #38
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 26 #20
monkeyman1 Nov 26 #40
HighFired49 Nov 26 #12
cstanleytech Nov 26 #26
Aristus Nov 26 #23
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 26 #14
marble falls Nov 26 #4
PSPS Nov 26 #7
kozar Nov 26 #5
wnylib Nov 26 #39
turbinetree Nov 26 #6
Ford_Prefect Nov 26 #19
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 26 #25
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 28 #42
gab13by13 Nov 26 #29
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 26 #34
Roy Rolling Nov 26 #30
Mr.Bill Nov 26 #32
monkeyman1 Nov 26 #36
SouthernDem4ever Nov 27 #41

Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:28 AM

1. If I'm not mistaken, the thread title conflicts with the information posted in the OP

Public versus kept confidential.

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Response to True Dough (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 07:55 PM

35. as I read it, the 'standard' order prohibits release

by either side. Bannon is opposing this standard order.

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:32 AM

2. I don't think it is Bannon's place to make this call

The courts, and the government, will decide. I take this to be an attempt to appear transparent about all the stuff the insurrection crowd wants to keep hidden.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:35 AM

10. Why keep the documents secret?

What is the government hiding? Let the documents be seen by the public.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:09 PM

15. Investigations that coincide with Bannon's perfidy

would be a real reason to stop public info until more arrests are made?

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:14 PM

18. Whatever has happened has happened.

The info should be made public. If Bannon was trying to keep the documents secret everyone would be screaming for them to be public. The government is still keeping documents from the Kennedy assassination secret. Are they still investigating until arrests are made?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:07 PM

24. Wouldn't want to tip off the other little fish/big fish that might get caught in the net.......

Let's keep it under wraps until the time comes.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:18 PM

27. As someone who does defense work that is not how it works.

People know if they are being investigated. Its not secret. Lawyers talk to one another on both sides. Everyone knows who is being questioned whether witnesses or suspects. People talk. No force on earth can stop that. This is just an excuse to keep things secret that should be in the public eye.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:21 PM

31. So are you saying

judicial gag orders are not obeyed?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:42 PM

37. Why do you believe that all

government information should be made public?

The public release of information in this case could jeopardize informants before they are called on to testify in this case or future ones. Publicly released information could (and would in this case) be used to distort information, politicize the trial into a public circus of disinformation, and try the case in the media before the court trial.

Police and DAs do not routinely release investigation details to the general public prior to a trial. Why should they do it in this case? The goal is to preserve objectivity for the trial.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 05:02 PM

33. a matter of law

If the rest of his co-conspirators freely know exactly what the government has, they'll know what items to work to bury even deeper.

At least with things the way they are, Bannon's lawyers would have to break laws and ethics rules in order to share that information with co-conspirators who are at risk of being targeted later.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:04 PM

13. That's why he is suing for a court to make the call. . . . nt

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:58 AM

3. Bannon wants to use discovery to find and release dirt on his "enemies".

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:24 AM

8. At the cost of having all the dirt on him made public? Doesn't make sense.

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:31 AM

9. Bannon does not care what the public knows about him what he does care

about is finding out everything that they might know and finding out how they know it.
In this case the goal might be to uncover the names of all confidential sources of information the government has even if its sources that the government has no intention of introducing evidence it found due to that source.
In other words it sounds more like he is trying to use the government to root out people rather than help bolster his defense.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:37 AM

11. The defense will see all of this anyway.

Why is the government hiding it?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:10 PM

16. No, he is only entitled to evidence that the government intends to us against him and

that is all he is entitled to if I understand it correctly.
The names of sources the government does not intend to use as evidence against him when they present their case is not something he is entitled to.
So, are they really hiding anything from him that he is entitled to? No, because they are not allowed to.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:14 PM

17. Because of the Fundamental Principle of Justice


The defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law where they can mount a defense.

If prosecutors published all evidentiary documents after showing defence and before trial, then they would be trying the defendant in the media and polluting their own jury pool, etc.

Ask Richard Jewell about being damaged by false accusations. Oh, he's dead.

What if Prosecutor George and Agent Mike accused you of bank fraud and then showed video of you going in and out of 9 banks in a single day. Before you could mount a defense, a mob has ransacked your yard and cut down your peach tree. When you are able to get out of the house and give some interview, it turns out you are a technician for currency counting machinery.

The government is hiding it to protect the defendant, even if the defendant doesn't want the protection.

Even if both the defendant and the government want to release the info, I think it still would have to pass through a judge. I am not a lawyer.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:20 PM

21. Yes, it passes thru the court.

No, the government is not trying to protect anyone. Jewell was not damaged by documents. In fact, just the opposite. He was damaged by accusations from the government. Documents would have shown and did show his innocence.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:21 PM

22. Jewell was damaged by false accusations. Same point. Defendants should be protected. . . nt

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:24 PM

28. Probably because it involves people that we don't know about yet.

And those people that are involved don't know about it yet either.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:04 PM

38. They are not hiding info from the defense.

They are keeping both sides from making the info available to the general public.

As someone who says in your profile that you are a constitutional law specialist, can you be more specific about why trial information should be released to the general public BEFORE the trial? Bannon has a legal right to a trial, to attorney(s), and to know the charges against him. Releasing investigative information to the general public prior to a trial would jeopardize the selection of an unbiased jury.

So far, you are not offering legal opinions from the specialized expertise that you list in your profile. You are just asking a question that claims that the government is hiding something. What do you think they are hiding and what reasons would you ascribe to the government? Do you think the government is engaging in some kind of conspiracy? What would that cpnspiracy be?

Show us your expertise, please.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:16 PM

20. Yes, if they succeed there may be mob violence against ordinary bureaucrats and citizens. nt

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:35 PM

40. the only defense he has now is when pig-pen going to take a shower ?

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:00 PM

12. Intimidation

Releasing all of the info. will give him time to try to intimidate or bribe witnesses.

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Response to HighFired49 (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:10 PM

26. He will already know what witnesses they intend to call as is his right.

No, I suspect this is more along the lines of a fishing expedition to try and uncover all sources the government might have even ones it has no intention of using in its case.
Then that is when the whole intimidation and bribing comes into play as they would know everyone they would need to do it to.

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:30 PM

23. Have you looked at the guy?

By outward appearance alone, he has proven he doesn't care what the public thinks.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:06 PM

14. Yes that's it. Get publication allowed, then sue for discovery of all committee documents and keep


suing everybody for discovery.

He's hoping (expecting? is he that stupid?) to get some document they can selectively quote and distort to hell to whip more people into more outraged frenzies.

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:03 AM

4. Bannon has no stategy past delay and derail.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:20 AM

7. Yes, this is his self-described "flood the zone with shit" M.O.

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:07 AM

5. Maybe still too much bird in me,

But wouldn’t this conflict with the exec privilege


portion of the scam?


Koz

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Response to kozar (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:07 PM

39. I would think so.

If executive privilege is why he should not testify before Congress, then why try to make info that he claims is privileged available to the general public?

Contradicts himself.

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:10 AM

6. Why.....he and the other POS's were plotting to over throw a duly elected government

fuck the contempt of congress charges just file these charges right along with the contempt charges....maybe he and his attorneys can being paid by the RNC can really look at this law which pretty much covers what he was doing.....just the word "assists" and "aid and comfort"....makes this POS guilty...

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:16 PM

19. Keeping documents and evidence out of public view is SOP. It prevents jury pool contamination.

It also prevents "magic" evidence from appearing later to contradict the case, i.e. false witness who says the perp was somewhere else.

It limits press speculation and rumor mongering and protects witnesses and clients alike.

Bannon believes the DOJ is a farce and run to the benefit of whoever is in power. He advocates Chaos as the way to overcome government of any kind since in his view any and all government is corrupt by its very nature. He also is one of the violence stirrers among the Jan. 6 & Big Lie crowd who steered TLG into the mess we have now. TLG was headed there but Bannon amplified his madness x 10. He is one who has advocated direct action in response to any attempt to arrest Bannon, the committee to overthrow (re-install), or indeed TLG himself.

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:09 PM

25. Another stunt for attention.

Guess there are donors out there to milk.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 28, 2021, 12:51 PM

42. and delay.

The only strategy TFG and his acolytes have is "delay-delay-delay." Delay until the GQP flips the House and immediately shuts down the Jan 6 committee. Delay until Jan 2025 when the Republican president can issue blanket pardons.

Manchin loves the filibuster and hates democracy.

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:29 PM

29. Bannon was indicted for ignoring a subpoena,

what documents can he be talking about? We aren't talking about his role in the insurrection.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 07:16 PM

34. Exactly. Bannon wants to muddy the waters, delay, and disrupt. . . . . nt

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:50 PM

30. Delay

Document bureaucracy will delay whatever legal proceedings he faces. Simply delay and an attempt to confuse, to politicize the court finding him guilty in the end.

They can decide this issue while he’s on trial and laying out his legal case in the legal courtroom in front of a jury, not some bullshit case he manufactures in the court of public opinion.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:28 PM

32. This, and when the judge refuses to do it

he will accuse them of having no reason to subpoena him in the first place and accuse them of running a witch hunt or fishing expedition. Fodder for the public arena. You will see his name in the news constantly until his trial is over, if he ever has one. That's how he likes to operate.

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:12 PM

36. yepper , look at R. STONE already throwing names out there to distract from himself !

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Response to cadoman (Original post)

Sat Nov 27, 2021, 12:42 PM

41. Bannon is ust another asshole

there are so many of them

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