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cadoman

(792 posts)
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:20 AM Nov 2021

Stephen K. Bannon files motion to request all documents in court case be made public

Source: Washington Post

Stephen K. Bannon, the former Trump White House adviser, has filed an opposition to the U.S. district court’s standard protective order for discovery, which prohibits either side from releasing documents or evidence publicly.


Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/stephen-k-bannons-lawyers-file-opposition-to-keeping-documents-from-being-released/2021/11/25/29889174-4e3e-11ec-b73b-a00d6e559a6e_story.html



Seattle Times really has a better article on this, but gave the national paper the nod:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/bannons-lawyers-file-opposition-to-keeping-documents-from-being-released/

Sorry little red Stephen, we'll know all about your little insurrection soon!
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Stephen K. Bannon files motion to request all documents in court case be made public (Original Post) cadoman Nov 2021 OP
If I'm not mistaken, the thread title conflicts with the information posted in the OP True Dough Nov 2021 #1
as I read it, the 'standard' order prohibits release stopdiggin Nov 2021 #35
I don't think it is Bannon's place to make this call bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #2
Why keep the documents secret? former9thward Nov 2021 #10
Investigations that coincide with Bannon's perfidy WhiteTara Nov 2021 #15
Whatever has happened has happened. former9thward Nov 2021 #18
Wouldn't want to tip off the other little fish/big fish that might get caught in the net....... lastlib Nov 2021 #24
As someone who does defense work that is not how it works. former9thward Nov 2021 #27
So are you saying Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #31
Why do you believe that all wnylib Nov 2021 #37
a matter of law Slammer Nov 2021 #33
That's why he is suing for a court to make the call. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #13
Bannon wants to use discovery to find and release dirt on his "enemies". Midnight Writer Nov 2021 #3
At the cost of having all the dirt on him made public? Doesn't make sense. TheRickles Nov 2021 #8
Bannon does not care what the public knows about him what he does care cstanleytech Nov 2021 #9
The defense will see all of this anyway. former9thward Nov 2021 #11
No, he is only entitled to evidence that the government intends to us against him and cstanleytech Nov 2021 #16
Because of the Fundamental Principle of Justice Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #17
Yes, it passes thru the court. former9thward Nov 2021 #21
Jewell was damaged by false accusations. Same point. Defendants should be protected. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #22
Probably because it involves people that we don't know about yet. GemDigger Nov 2021 #28
They are not hiding info from the defense. wnylib Nov 2021 #38
Yes, if they succeed there may be mob violence against ordinary bureaucrats and citizens. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #20
the only defense he has now is when pig-pen going to take a shower ? monkeyman1 Nov 2021 #40
Intimidation HighFired49 Nov 2021 #12
He will already know what witnesses they intend to call as is his right. cstanleytech Nov 2021 #26
Have you looked at the guy? Aristus Nov 2021 #23
Yes that's it. Get publication allowed, then sue for discovery of all committee documents and keep Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #14
Bannon has no stategy past delay and derail. marble falls Nov 2021 #4
Yes, this is his self-described "flood the zone with shit" M.O. PSPS Nov 2021 #7
Maybe still too much bird in me, kozar Nov 2021 #5
I would think so. wnylib Nov 2021 #39
Why.....he and the other POS's were plotting to over throw a duly elected government turbinetree Nov 2021 #6
Keeping documents and evidence out of public view is SOP. It prevents jury pool contamination. Ford_Prefect Nov 2021 #19
Another stunt for attention. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 #25
and delay. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2021 #42
Bannon was indicted for ignoring a subpoena, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #29
Exactly. Bannon wants to muddy the waters, delay, and disrupt. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #34
Delay Roy Rolling Nov 2021 #30
This, and when the judge refuses to do it Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #32
yepper , look at R. STONE already throwing names out there to distract from himself ! monkeyman1 Nov 2021 #36
Bannon is ust another asshole SouthernDem4ever Nov 2021 #41

True Dough

(17,773 posts)
1. If I'm not mistaken, the thread title conflicts with the information posted in the OP
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:28 AM
Nov 2021

Public versus kept confidential.

stopdiggin

(11,857 posts)
35. as I read it, the 'standard' order prohibits release
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 08:55 PM
Nov 2021

by either side. Bannon is opposing this standard order.

bucolic_frolic

(44,634 posts)
2. I don't think it is Bannon's place to make this call
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:32 AM
Nov 2021

The courts, and the government, will decide. I take this to be an attempt to appear transparent about all the stuff the insurrection crowd wants to keep hidden.

WhiteTara

(29,826 posts)
15. Investigations that coincide with Bannon's perfidy
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:09 PM
Nov 2021

would be a real reason to stop public info until more arrests are made?

former9thward

(32,655 posts)
18. Whatever has happened has happened.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:14 PM
Nov 2021

The info should be made public. If Bannon was trying to keep the documents secret everyone would be screaming for them to be public. The government is still keeping documents from the Kennedy assassination secret. Are they still investigating until arrests are made?

lastlib

(23,730 posts)
24. Wouldn't want to tip off the other little fish/big fish that might get caught in the net.......
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:07 PM
Nov 2021

Let's keep it under wraps until the time comes.

former9thward

(32,655 posts)
27. As someone who does defense work that is not how it works.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:18 PM
Nov 2021

People know if they are being investigated. Its not secret. Lawyers talk to one another on both sides. Everyone knows who is being questioned whether witnesses or suspects. People talk. No force on earth can stop that. This is just an excuse to keep things secret that should be in the public eye.

wnylib

(22,909 posts)
37. Why do you believe that all
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:42 PM
Nov 2021

government information should be made public?

The public release of information in this case could jeopardize informants before they are called on to testify in this case or future ones. Publicly released information could (and would in this case) be used to distort information, politicize the trial into a public circus of disinformation, and try the case in the media before the court trial.

Police and DAs do not routinely release investigation details to the general public prior to a trial. Why should they do it in this case? The goal is to preserve objectivity for the trial.

Slammer

(714 posts)
33. a matter of law
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 06:02 PM
Nov 2021

If the rest of his co-conspirators freely know exactly what the government has, they'll know what items to work to bury even deeper.

At least with things the way they are, Bannon's lawyers would have to break laws and ethics rules in order to share that information with co-conspirators who are at risk of being targeted later.

cstanleytech

(26,555 posts)
9. Bannon does not care what the public knows about him what he does care
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:31 PM
Nov 2021

about is finding out everything that they might know and finding out how they know it.
In this case the goal might be to uncover the names of all confidential sources of information the government has even if its sources that the government has no intention of introducing evidence it found due to that source.
In other words it sounds more like he is trying to use the government to root out people rather than help bolster his defense.

cstanleytech

(26,555 posts)
16. No, he is only entitled to evidence that the government intends to us against him and
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:10 PM
Nov 2021

that is all he is entitled to if I understand it correctly.
The names of sources the government does not intend to use as evidence against him when they present their case is not something he is entitled to.
So, are they really hiding anything from him that he is entitled to? No, because they are not allowed to.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,795 posts)
17. Because of the Fundamental Principle of Justice
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:14 PM
Nov 2021

The defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law where they can mount a defense.

If prosecutors published all evidentiary documents after showing defence and before trial, then they would be trying the defendant in the media and polluting their own jury pool, etc.

Ask Richard Jewell about being damaged by false accusations. Oh, he's dead.

What if Prosecutor George and Agent Mike accused you of bank fraud and then showed video of you going in and out of 9 banks in a single day. Before you could mount a defense, a mob has ransacked your yard and cut down your peach tree. When you are able to get out of the house and give some interview, it turns out you are a technician for currency counting machinery.

The government is hiding it to protect the defendant, even if the defendant doesn't want the protection.

Even if both the defendant and the government want to release the info, I think it still would have to pass through a judge. I am not a lawyer.

former9thward

(32,655 posts)
21. Yes, it passes thru the court.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:20 PM
Nov 2021

No, the government is not trying to protect anyone. Jewell was not damaged by documents. In fact, just the opposite. He was damaged by accusations from the government. Documents would have shown and did show his innocence.

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
28. Probably because it involves people that we don't know about yet.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:24 PM
Nov 2021

And those people that are involved don't know about it yet either.

wnylib

(22,909 posts)
38. They are not hiding info from the defense.
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 12:04 AM
Nov 2021

They are keeping both sides from making the info available to the general public.

As someone who says in your profile that you are a constitutional law specialist, can you be more specific about why trial information should be released to the general public BEFORE the trial? Bannon has a legal right to a trial, to attorney(s), and to know the charges against him. Releasing investigative information to the general public prior to a trial would jeopardize the selection of an unbiased jury.

So far, you are not offering legal opinions from the specialized expertise that you list in your profile. You are just asking a question that claims that the government is hiding something. What do you think they are hiding and what reasons would you ascribe to the government? Do you think the government is engaging in some kind of conspiracy? What would that cpnspiracy be?

Show us your expertise, please.

cstanleytech

(26,555 posts)
26. He will already know what witnesses they intend to call as is his right.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:10 PM
Nov 2021

No, I suspect this is more along the lines of a fishing expedition to try and uncover all sources the government might have even ones it has no intention of using in its case.
Then that is when the whole intimidation and bribing comes into play as they would know everyone they would need to do it to.

Aristus

(67,058 posts)
23. Have you looked at the guy?
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:30 PM
Nov 2021

By outward appearance alone, he has proven he doesn't care what the public thinks.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,795 posts)
14. Yes that's it. Get publication allowed, then sue for discovery of all committee documents and keep
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:06 PM
Nov 2021

suing everybody for discovery.

He's hoping (expecting? is he that stupid?) to get some document they can selectively quote and distort to hell to whip more people into more outraged frenzies.

kozar

(2,306 posts)
5. Maybe still too much bird in me,
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:07 PM
Nov 2021

But wouldn’t this conflict with the exec privilege


portion of the scam?


Koz

wnylib

(22,909 posts)
39. I would think so.
Sat Nov 27, 2021, 12:07 AM
Nov 2021

If executive privilege is why he should not testify before Congress, then why try to make info that he claims is privileged available to the general public?

Contradicts himself.

turbinetree

(24,845 posts)
6. Why.....he and the other POS's were plotting to over throw a duly elected government
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:10 PM
Nov 2021

fuck the contempt of congress charges just file these charges right along with the contempt charges....maybe he and his attorneys can being paid by the RNC can really look at this law which pretty much covers what he was doing.....just the word "assists" and "aid and comfort"....makes this POS guilty...

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

Ford_Prefect

(8,101 posts)
19. Keeping documents and evidence out of public view is SOP. It prevents jury pool contamination.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:16 PM
Nov 2021

It also prevents "magic" evidence from appearing later to contradict the case, i.e. false witness who says the perp was somewhere else.

It limits press speculation and rumor mongering and protects witnesses and clients alike.

Bannon believes the DOJ is a farce and run to the benefit of whoever is in power. He advocates Chaos as the way to overcome government of any kind since in his view any and all government is corrupt by its very nature. He also is one of the violence stirrers among the Jan. 6 & Big Lie crowd who steered TLG into the mess we have now. TLG was headed there but Bannon amplified his madness x 10. He is one who has advocated direct action in response to any attempt to arrest Bannon, the committee to overthrow (re-install), or indeed TLG himself.

42. and delay.
Sun Nov 28, 2021, 01:51 PM
Nov 2021

The only strategy TFG and his acolytes have is "delay-delay-delay." Delay until the GQP flips the House and immediately shuts down the Jan 6 committee. Delay until Jan 2025 when the Republican president can issue blanket pardons.

Manchin loves the filibuster and hates democracy.

gab13by13

(22,743 posts)
29. Bannon was indicted for ignoring a subpoena,
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:29 PM
Nov 2021

what documents can he be talking about? We aren't talking about his role in the insurrection.

Roy Rolling

(7,036 posts)
30. Delay
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:50 PM
Nov 2021

Document bureaucracy will delay whatever legal proceedings he faces. Simply delay and an attempt to confuse, to politicize the court finding him guilty in the end.

They can decide this issue while he’s on trial and laying out his legal case in the legal courtroom in front of a jury, not some bullshit case he manufactures in the court of public opinion.

Mr.Bill

(24,467 posts)
32. This, and when the judge refuses to do it
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:28 PM
Nov 2021

he will accuse them of having no reason to subpoena him in the first place and accuse them of running a witch hunt or fishing expedition. Fodder for the public arena. You will see his name in the news constantly until his trial is over, if he ever has one. That's how he likes to operate.

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