Biden, Democrats failing to sell agenda to American people: POLL

However, the gutting of significant measures is the part that is hard to sell.

Exactly.

to broadly cover the contents

Democrats in disarray sell their hyperbole

stripped from the original bill. Things most voters really wanted. I'm not blaming the Biden administration or congressional leadership for the recalcitrance of a few within the Democratic coalition, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to sell what's left of this legislation.

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...EVERYTHING that everyone wanted doesn't mean it was "gutted".

Many of the things that were removed probably shouldn't have been in these bills in the first place - they should be proposed and presented on their own merit.

Credit, etc. all should have been in the bill and were so far effectively removed from the proposal. Or "gutted" from it, as I put it

Amazing, it's like some people think that we all don't remember the events of the last month.

What may currently be being delivered however isn't quite his agenda.

Pretty sad

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Wrong. You constantly try to employ sophistry to completely reframe language, to try to recast the very linguistic definitions of concepts and their embedded meanings to falsely frame things to fit your spin attempts.

In this case you wilfully attempt to ignore the massive parts of Biden's agenda and programmes that have now been ripped out of his BBB framework proposal, and thus are now out of the final bill. The same gutting was done to his BIF framework proposal too, and to an even greater degree (almost 80% of his new spend stripped out).


Here is the BBB spending framework as put out by Biden, who made much of this the CORE of his agenda and campaign promises as well:

https://www.investopedia.com/here-s-what-s-in-the-usd1-trillion-infrastructure-bill-passed-by-the-senate-5196817



More detail of the $3.5 trillion framework:

Update on The Build Back Better Act

https://www.ifpte.org/bbb-act

This September, Congressional Representatives and Senators working to advance a fiscal year 2022 budget reconciliation package that invests up to $3.5 trillion over 10 years in physical, social, and innovation infrastructure. This legislation, called the Build Back Better Act, is being crafted to include significant parts of President Biden’s American Jobs Plan and American Families Plan and supports domestic manufacturing and R&D, resilient supply chains, affordable housing, advanced energy infrastructure and policies, education, healthcare, childcare, paid leave, labor law enforcement, and more. Through the budget reconciliation process, both the House and Senate can advance the legislation through a simple majority.

Typically, legislation in the Senate requires a procedural vote that needs a 60-vote supermajority to close debate before a bill can advance to a floor vote. If passed by the House, the legislation is expected to move through the Senate committees and finally to the Senate floor. After 20-hour Senate floor debate that cannot be obstructed by the 60-vote filibuster rule, the bill would move to a “vote-a-rama” amendment process where proposed amendments that are germane to the bill will be voted on without debate.

The budget reconciliation process moved forward on August 11 when the Senate passed a budget resolution — titled “S.Con.Res. 14, A Concurrent Resolution on the Budget for Fiscal Year 2022.” The House of Representatives passed Senate Continuing Resolution 14 on August 24. Twelve committees in the House of Representatives have worked with corresponding committees in the Senate as well as the White House to craft legislative text for the Build Back Better Act. Currently, House and Senate leadership, committee chairs, and the White House are conferring and continuing to work on a Build Back Better bill that will have a majority of votes to pass the House and at least 50 votes (plus the vote of the Senate President/Vice President Kamala Harris) to pass in the Senate.

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we already said bye bye to almost 80% of the bi-partisan bill's new spend/tax incentives

The Infrastructure Plan: What’s In and What’s Out (it's brutal)


Biden's original proposal:





What was left after Manchin, Sinema, and the so-called 'moderate' Rethugs (the very ones that Manchin and Sinema constantly hype as needing to be catered to) took a 2.05 trillion USD hatchet to it:

They did though

And the mostly corporate media's running like hell with it, which is hurting Dems chances early on from keeping the House

Then voters will fail to vote for Democrats.

at will all day long without challengee

it's the same thing as for obama and it's fucking ridiculous

people who then whine biden andd dems can't deliver, why vote, might as well be working for the GOP/putin - like in 2010

You have in the fucking New York Times an opinion piece claiming liberals are the intolerant ones because they won't abide by people who protest school board meetings due to schools taking basic steps to prevent the spread of a deadly disease and are outright racists. This makes me so angry

we let these 87 universities help republicans - without complaint

in November.

It is the details that they need to sell now.

There should be ad buys on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube selling the BBB bill.

has been a weak DNC chair, and needs to be more aggressive

Perez was a weak DNC chair, but he was more visible then Harrison.

Howard Dean is the example we should follow

There’s never any information about what actions he and the DNC are taking to support candidates or to register voters or to explain a strategy for winning elections. That said, more Democrats need to get air time on conservative media like Fox if the message is to get out to independents and more traditional Republicans. So far, Mayor Pete is the only one brave enough to do this. I doubt that persuadable, centrist voters watch MSNBC or read WaPo or NYT, but they would benefit from the infrastructure and reconciliation bills.

but they need, imo, to get a lot better.

it's just that the corporate media spends far more time on "disarray" and the "monumental spending cost" aspect than they do on what is trying to be accomplished.

all TV stations and bullet-point the major parts of the bill. Then I was thinking, MSNBC, NBC would carry it, probably ABC, but RW ones would not, I doubt Fox would have anything to do with it ... OAN and others would sabotage it. That, is the F-ing problem in the US, a large segment of the media profits off selling hatred and sh** to the nation, especially Murdoch. The future of the US is screwed IMO with all of the hatred and misinformation sold/profited by some media.

Saying they would not support the Build Back Better bill if many of its most popular programs were in it.

Every time the President and other Democrats spoke up for the agenda, another chunk got eliminated trying to get Manchin and Sinema to support the bill in some form.

Are we all supposed to not remember that happening all this last month?

with these mikey mouse polls

What the polls like this actually point out is the failure of the shallow media that exits in this country, and the media's superficial reporting

When 69% in this poll say they know little to nothing about what is in these bills, and yet in the same poll indicate that they don't believe these bills would help them or the U.S. economy, this is NOT a failure of Democrats trying to get the message out, because they are, this is a failure of a press who does NOT wish to cover the contents of the bills, but instead push disarray and division among Democrats, the Baldwin shooting, Britney Spears, donald trump, etc. etc. etc.

and then in the next sentence say they don't believe this bill will help them or the economy, there is a major disconnect, that makes on wonder exactly what questions were asked

Republicans and conservative corporate policies and agendas for decades now.

Its like the MSM is afraid that they will be accused of promoting government, simply for telling the American public good things that will result in some new policy.

They have a desperate will to level the playing field. And in order to do that they think they should criticize both parties legislation equally. The only trouble is, Republicans don't ever offer any real legislation to help most Americans. Trump promised an infrastructure bill, promised a new medical insurance bill, but his biggest accomplishment was even more tax cuts to himself and his wealthy friends, to be paid for by the riff raff commoners.

They are being critical of Republicans lately...for legitiame reasons. But that is so uncomfortable for them that the only thing they can do is, instead of simply even tellilng what is in the bill and what it can do for their viewers, instead it becomes stories on how or why the Democrats are screwing up.

this is of primary importance....MAKE people cover it by doing an all out blitz. Coordinate the message....hit it on multiple fronts...all that good stuff...

The House progressives! There are some AMAZING TALENTED folks there! I'm talking about Cori Bush, Pramila Jayapal, Katie Porter, AOC. Some men in there, as well.

They have so much energy and a "person of the people" profile.

who keep feeding us shit sandwiches.

New framework bolsters Biden’s hand as climate summit begins



https://apnews.com/article/cop26-climate-summit-joe-biden-13931475c10187f6d0d1d0cddabcbb53

The lack of knowledge on what is in the bills is because the media is not informing the American people what is in the bills and to the extent they are they seem to be misinforming the American people because they seem to think there is nothing in them that will help them. But who can blame them when right here ABC News is slanting things.

That plus the fact that the midterms are still over a year away. There is still plenty of time to sell the contents of these bills after they become law, and a lot of that selling will be done by the legislation itself once some provisions begin to take effect. We have our work cut out for us, but we will also have the tools needed to do that job.

Yet an overwhelming number of Americans including republicans support it!

https://newjerseyglobe.com/congress/poll-nearly-70-of-americans-back-biden-infrastructure-bill/

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-22/majority-of-americans-favor-increasing-infrastructure-spending-poll-finds

Make that make sense!!
Damned media!!

And be ok with democracy being destroyed?

I hate these polls that are meant to influence people’s minds.

What will repukes do for them? What at did repukes do for them during assolini reign?


I am 100% behind President Biden!

The corporate MSM, as usual, is feverishly stirring the old shit pot. They especially love doing this before Election Day every year. Without sowing discord and engaging in shameless fearmongering, they'd actually have to do their jobs as journalists and report the truth to the American people, and that doesn't generate enough revenue for their liking.

Republicans for decades have used two- or three-syllable rallying cries to great success in firing up their base, while Democrats recite long paragraphs with footnotes and cross-references to enumerate the arcane details of their agenda.

And it doesn't help that in this era of split-second media, the news profiteers would rather repeat a brief soundbyte 1,000 times than air a lengthy and obscure articulation of policy.

Until Democrats figure out how to deliver their message in bite-sized chunks, they will continue to be stymied b y the public's media-driven impression of them.

Look at the races in Virginia to see that in action.

the News Media fails to explain anything about Biden's agenda except the price, including the fact that he also proposed the means to pay for it.

The President used to have a weekly 1/2 hour radio message each Saturday that the press would cover.

Why not revive that? Perhaps the public would be made aware of the high level details from the President's radio message. Maybe an audio link it to Facebook as well.

Astonishingly, the Republicans are currently winning the messaging war and their message is all that the 2020 election was stolen - nevermind that they never provide any data to back up the false claim.

I think Joe would be good at this. I also think his desire to make the plan fiscally acceptable drives him to fast fire statistics quotes studies as well as opinions by experts (such leading economists, scientists etc). I’m afraid the public can’t or won’t process that info. He needs to personalize each issue of the agenda and bring hone how it will benefit each listeners individually.

President Joe Biden doesn't have to (sell or explain anything) - He won the election....period, period, period and is doing just exactly what he promised to do and what we need him to do. He is doing such a fantastic job and doing everything he can to help us. It's those damned Reps and other negatives, including media, that want to question every single move he makes - just shut up and let President Joe do his job.

!!!

When TFG was in office, they did the best they could to spin his chaos into him being somehow, not as awful as he actually was.

The thing was, the chaos was good for ratings and for the people who own the media.

Now, there's no chaos, no drama, so they spin the lack of chaos and drama into failure. His appointees aren't stealing everything that isn't nailed down, they are generally speaking, working, without fanfare on fixing a lot of shit that was broken by the previous group.

So, the press just makes everything a crisis.

Manchin and Sinema and their quest to make everything suck aren't helping, but the coverage has been really, really slanted.

Where a moment of coherence made them say that TFG was great, they can't go a minute without saying that Biden sucks, as they try to create the chaos they crave.

Media let a fucking mob boss criminal slide and they can't appreciate what Biden/Harris are trying to do to right the ship that almost sunk. And they still want to sink. Every. Damn. Day.

precedes the message with disingenuous reporting about what is in it. Not to mention the excessive Republican lies that they do report. Shame we don't have dozens of news and radio outlets car could count on to spread the message.

Been watching how they have not covered really important Dem/Biden info, and how much they do cover of negative news of same type.
I get it...they want to capture eyeballs thus money.

We cut cable almost...10 years ago, even Rachel comes thru on internet.
There are so many good "not MSM" news sources online.
Life without advertising has been calmer, much quieter.

This is the second truth Democrats need to put out there after gaining traction on the first truth -- that it has been media's refusal to convey the Democrats' messaging all along.

The third truth to put out there is that corporate media are at war with The People's party.

It's not that they are our version of "the enemy of the people," it's that they have owners who demand that they gaslight, deflect, minimize and ignore reportage that builds up consent of the governed and the power of well functioning government.

We as a party need to address this issue. We have an ongoing problem with keeping people informed. I would like Biden to spend more time addressing the public and explaining our goals.

included in the legislation now pending. Joe and the Democratic can shout the benefits all they want but the Media is not going to give them air time to do so.

in the afternoon, east coast time. No one's watching at those hours. Give a prime time speech that all the broadcast networks and cable news channels will cover. That would reach a lot more people.