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Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:06 AM

Colin Powell, military leader and first Black US secretary of state, dies

Source: CNN

(CNN)(CNN)Colin Powell, the first Black US secretary of state whose leadership in several Republican administrations helped shape American foreign policy in the last years of the 20th century and the early years of the 21st, has died from complications from Covid-19, his family said on Facebook. He was 84.

"General Colin L. Powell, former U.S. Secretary of State and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, passed away this morning due to complications from Covid 19," the Powell family wrote on Facebook.

"We have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and a great American," they said, noting he was fully vaccinated.

Powell was a distinguished and trailblazing professional soldier whose career took him from combat duty in Vietnam to becoming the first Black national security adviser during the end of Ronald Reagan's presidency and the youngest and first African American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President George H.W. Bush. His national popularity soared in the aftermath of the US-led coalition victory during the Gulf War, and for a time in the mid-90s, he was considered a leading contender to become the first Black President of the United States. But his reputation would be forever stained when, as George W. Bush's first secretary of state, he pushed faulty intelligence before the United Nations to advocate for the Iraq War, which he would later call a "blot" on his record.


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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:06 AM

1. Rest in Peace.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:08 AM

2. He died from Covid complications and was fully vaccinated according to Bloomberg. Very sad

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:10 AM

4. I wonder which vaccine he received.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:15 AM

7. Yes, but more than that. Did he have autoimmune conditions or other issues that would

make him more susceptible? It is very sad

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:31 AM

18. And did he receive a booster shot?

It is very sad
Indeed.

I know that he's very much hated by many in these parts who won't feel the same sense of loss.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:40 AM

25. I think he was duped as many Democrats in Congress were, but regardless, he did own up

to his part in the misrepresentation, something much of the media has never done, going to war based on a lie

I think He resigned as Secretary of State because of his involvement in that, and actively supported President Obama, and Biden.

He definitely saw where the Republican Party was heading

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:19 AM

57. "Misrepresentation"???? Outright lies. DU knew that the whole yellowcake thing was

a lie, so there was no excuse for those in charge.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:27 AM

61. That's the thing - he owned up to it.

As I said lower in this thread, aside from the 'blot' he did his best, and he cared about this republic.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:38 AM

66. he was one of the leaders of the 'duplicity'.

You've confused the perpetrator for the victim. Also the democrats in congress who voted for the war were either idiots, cowards, or also complicit in a war crime.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #66)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:46 AM

73. No I am not confusing anything, and we agree. All I am saying is there were a lot of actors

involved in that, especially the media, and a public who was looking for any excuse for someone to “pay” for 9/11, whether it was true or not

While Knight Ridder got it right, it hardly got a mention anywhere else

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-reporting-team-that-g_n_91981

A lot of people may not remember, but it was the gulf of Tonkin lie, that engaged us full time in Viet Nam


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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #66)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:53 AM

122. yes he was

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:14 AM

83. He should of spoke up!

I always held it against him. He had his chance to clear the air but sat back and let Cheney and Bush
Lie to the American people.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:05 AM

101. I've always liked and respected him, minus the support of the Iraq war.

He was a good man who regretted his one big mistake.

The real villains were Bush/Cheney, who did a snow job on him, got his endorsement, then went full blast toward death and disaster. I think Bush came to regret it later on, too little, too late, but the evil one never did.

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Response to NH Ethylene (Reply #101)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:18 AM

104. Well, Bush and Cheney didn't fool me, or millions of others.

Maybe I should have been Sec of State.... or one of the million others....

Sorry. his 'one big mistake' was a death dealing whopper !!

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Response to HUAJIAO (Reply #104)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:03 AM

114. It wasn't a mistake, it was intentional.

He gave a speech months earlier saying Iraq was contained and did not pose a threat to neighboring countries because it lacked the capability to mount an attack with conventional weapons or WMDs.
But Bush/Cheney also announced him as SOState during the campaign when Bush's poll numbers were down. I've never seen a cabinet secretary named during a campaign before or since.

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Response to LT Barclay (Reply #114)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:28 PM

135. Why would Powell go along with such a scam?

What would be his motive? We know why the puppet and puppetmaster would do it, but why the general?

He had a very rapid shift in tone. I assumed at the time that they convinced him with some 'evidence' of WMD . Given his honorable record and his eventual regret, I still believe that.

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Response to NH Ethylene (Reply #135)

Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:40 AM

153. Ambition.

Why else would he also betray his core values, and precedent in elections to accept a role with the neo-cons?
Any other explanation would require either willful or inexplicable ignorance of the Project for the New American Century who's stated goal was to take over Iraq to ensure that the U.S. was the sole super-power in the 21st century.
Personally I've never seen anything honorable in his record. If I had any regard for him I might have saved the article, but from what was written, apparently he was quite the opportunist throughout his career.

on edit, found the link:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/112604.html

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:49 PM

133. True. He was not a member of the PNAC, he was their unwitting tool.

The PNAC needed a respected face to sell their lies to the world & they used him. He believed them just like millions of others did.

I will never forgive our media for not reporting the truth of the PNAC agenda & background before the Iraq invasion. 20 years of war might have been avoided if they had done their job.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:18 AM

105. He was undergoing cancer treatment

So, maybe the chemotherapy messed with the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine.

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Response to AdamGG (Reply #105)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:48 AM

112. Thanks for the information

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Response to AdamGG (Reply #105)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:29 AM

119. You can have several conditions and the death will still be considered Covid if you have Covid.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 19, 2021, 06:29 AM

141. multiple myeloma n/t

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:17 AM

143. Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine

"Mr. Powell received his second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in February, said Peggy Cifrino, his longtime aide."

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/10/18/us/colin-powell

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Response to OneCrazyDiamond (Reply #143)

Tue Oct 19, 2021, 12:46 PM

145. Thank you for the info. That's the one that I received too...

... but (for now) I do not have any underlying conditions or comorbidities that would make me more vulnerable to Covid.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:09 AM

3. Just started seeing reports

apparently posted on his facebook - https://www.facebook.com/GenPowell

General Colin L. Powell
18 mins ·

General Colin L. Powell, former U.S. Secretary of State and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, passed away this morning due to complications from Covid 19. He was fully vaccinated. We want to thank the medical staff at Walter Reed National Medical Center for their caring treatment. We have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and a great American.
The Powell Family
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:13 AM

5. This disease keeps on wreaking havoc. Rest in peace Colin Powell.

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:44 AM

29. Every time we seem to experience a decline in cases/deaths, there are many

that seem incredibly eager to declare victory over the virus. This is just further evidence that there's a long way to go.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:14 AM

6. He helped shape US foreign policy by lying

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Response to amcgrath (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:17 AM

8. Yeah

Sorry he’s passed but three strikes and you’re out.

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Response to amcgrath (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:38 AM

67. I agree. I'm sorry he died. I don't want to see people die,

but he lied to the U.N. about the Iraq resolution.

How many soldiers died because he propagated GW McIdiot's Iraq lie, at an international level?

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #67)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:18 AM

106. I respected him before the lies,

but he lost my respect afterward. He admitted later that he regretted doing it. But the damage was done. It cost lives and American respect in the world and he had to live with the consequences and the regrets.

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Response to amcgrath (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:20 AM

107. I think it's unclear whether he purposefully lied or was duped by phony intelligence

May have been a victim of Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz et al.

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Response to AdamGG (Reply #107)

Tue Oct 19, 2021, 06:31 AM

142. +1

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Response to amcgrath (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 19, 2021, 05:09 AM

139. Many believe he himself was lied to..

Last edited Tue Oct 19, 2021, 06:08 AM - Edit history (1)

which, if true, puts a rather different slant on things, doesn't it?



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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:17 AM

9. "What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence."


Cheney used him real good


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Response to dalton99a (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:35 AM

22. He allowed himself to be used. People can only use you if you allow them, and he did.

He could have changed history, he missed one of the greatest opportunities any man/woman has ever had to change the course of history, but he betrayed his principles and his country by playing the good soldier.

RIP. I believe his days after his United Nations presentation of lies were not happy ones, I have to think that he knew he had done wrong. It is s shame because prior to that his life had been a great example.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:21 AM

58. MyLai.

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Response to niyad (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:24 AM

90. Bingo!!!!!!!!! nc

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:29 AM

111. +1

Going with his own judgment or deferring to the directive from his CinC was a crucial decision, which he later regretted.

They capitalized on his sterling reputation, tarnished as a result. Unfortunately, the consequences were much worse than that for so many who died or continue to suffer for what he helped to enable.

GW Bush and Dick Cheney will always be war criminals in my book, and it galls me to see them living lives of privilege with no consequences for their crimes.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:56 AM

41. Yes, he fell for it hook, line and sinker

I think many, including Powell, never expected an administration would LIE us into a war. But he fell for the lie and he sold it. I hold GWB and the PNAC evildoers responsible for the IRAQ war, but he was certainly culpable. I think calling it a "blot" on his legacy was putting it mildly. He may not have had as much blood on his hands as others, but he still had it, and I think he knew it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:18 AM

10. That's very sad.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:20 AM

11. He actively helped lie the U.S. into a disastrous war

That war resulted in the deaths of thousands of our soldiers and tens of thousand Iraqis.

That's all I can think of.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:15 AM

84. Sadly, my only thoughts too n/t

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:30 PM

128. That lie contributed to so much distrust of government

in the "creepiness of intelligence" run-up to war in Iraq, and sparked many conspiracy theories including the murder/suicide death of UK weapon inspector, Dr. David Kelly, during Tony Blair's days as PM--resulting in the Hutton Inquiry.

So now, yet another "black hat playing games" is gone. General Colin Powell's perfected and owned 20/20 hindsight apology in that last case if not in other "blot(s)" on his GOP watch/record notwithstanding.

You know what they say, "C'est la guerre." To me: Irreparably forever tarnished credibility.

That said, condolences to his family who likely see him as one of the uncompromising American military.

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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #128)

Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:47 AM

154. Well think of it this way, that distrust is one of the foundations of the distrust of vaccines, lack

of vaccination fueled pandemic, pandemic killed Powell.
I'm not a believer in "Karma", but it has a strange circularity to it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:21 AM

12. His legacy

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Response to Botany (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:26 AM

15. Powell called it a "blot" on his record

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/colin-powell-u-n-speech-was-a-great-intelligence-failure/

Colin Powell: U.N. Speech “Was a Great Intelligence Failure”
May 17, 2016
by Jason M. Breslow

Colin Powell has called his 2003 speech to the United Nations, laying out the Bush administration’s rationale for war in Iraq, a “blot” on his record. The speech set out to detail Iraq’s weapons program, but as the intelligence would later confirm, that program was nonexistent.

...

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:45 AM

31. Yes. He acknowledged that error, something much of the MSM did not do, especially the

NY Times

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:58 AM

44. And that did not bring back the dead, or heal the wounded, or restore what was

destroyed, nor did it replenish the treasury.

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Response to niyad (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:14 AM

54. and most of the media and Congress shared that blame. Knight Ridder was one of the only voices



out there to push back on the regarding WMDs before the invasion, but the television and most major newspapers ignored it

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-reporting-team-that-g_n_91981

I would go as far as saying they actually encouraged that war. If you caught the Judy Miller interview by Jon Stewart she as much admitted that by using the excuse they couldn’t present the full story because something to the effect that there wasn’t enough room in the paper to present that

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #54)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:23 AM

59. I do not exclude any of the complicit.

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Tue Oct 19, 2021, 05:15 AM

140. Yes, and, unlike someone like Robert McNamara, didn't wait 30 years to do so.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:04 AM

49. By the time held up his vile of faux anthrax we had already I.D.ed the source of the real anthrax ..

... by using DNA used after 9/11 and it came from Maryland's Ft. Detrick biological warfare center.

And he also sold the bullshit story about Saddam's mobile labs to make biological weapons.



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Response to Botany (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:26 AM

109. I'll never forget

how he held up a pencil drawing of a rolling lab as proof. Not a picture. A effing pencil drawing!!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:24 AM

13. Colin Powell, former secretary of state, dies from COVID complications at 84

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Response to riversedge (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:27 AM

118. Holy cow, he was 84?? I thought he was more like 64

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:25 AM

14. Yet Another Perfect Example


of some of the fools at the FDA advisory board that were arguing against booster vaccines, saying that current vaccine levels were working just fine, and pooh-poohing what they called "so-called breakthrough" cases. I forget where, but someplace was reporting that 25% of their ICU hospital admissions were VACCINATED.

Makes me just wanna SMACK these jackasses.



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Response to WHITT (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:29 AM

17. It is nowhere near 25%

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:43 AM

96. If By "It" You Mean Nationally


that's not what I was referencing. Some hospital system announced that 25% of their ICU admissions were vaccinated.



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Response to WHITT (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:51 AM

35. We don't have enough information if he had any autoimmune conditions, or if he was

taking medicines that affect his immune system

We also are not told what vaccine he was given

That being said, I agree with you, and was glad to see Rochelle Walensky essentially over-rule the FDA restrictions on boosters, to make to more flexible so essentially any adult who believes they are at risk, can get the booster

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Response to WHITT (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:52 AM

37. CDC just released data

that you’re 11x more likely to die if you’re unvaccinated. So I seriously doubt 25% of icu admissions are vaccinated.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:56 AM

42. I keep reading less than 5%

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:45 AM

71. It is elss than 5%

And, most are elderly, very elderly, like Powell.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:41 AM

70. If everyone was vaccinated, then ALL hospitalizations would be "breakthroughs"

But in any major hospital generally over 90% are unvaccinated. Only when you have low numbers can the % get skewed

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #70)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:38 AM

120. Exactly

Fauci gave the example that your odds of being hospitalized is the same, if you were unvaccinated in New York state, which has a very high level of vaccination, and vaccinated in South Carolina, which has a very low level of vaccination.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:47 AM

74. He had cancer and was being treated for that

So yes, even with a vaccine he was at risk

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #74)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:06 AM

81. And he was 84

And older people are at more risk, even when vaccinated.

The same population who were most vulnerable before the vaccine is also more vulnerable even with the vaccine. Elderly, cancer patients, obese people, those with autoimmune or heart conditions, and with other conditions should wear masks and avoid crowds.

Breakthrough infections can be mild or severe, but we know some vaccinated people still die.
So you're right, even with a vaccine there are many who are still at risk.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #74)

Tue Oct 19, 2021, 04:32 AM

138. He had Parkinson's Disease. n/t

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Response to WHITT (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:01 AM

78. Whoever was reporting that was lying

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Response to mcar (Reply #78)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:41 AM

121. Doubtful

that a physician representing a hospital system would be lying about admissions, unless a celebrity/politician was involved.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #121)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:36 PM

123. Even Faux News disagrees

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated

COVID-19: 99% of hospital admissions were among those not fully vaccinated

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Response to mcar (Reply #123)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:22 PM

127. I Already Posted Upthread

that I wasn't referring to nationwide.

Do try and keep up.



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Response to WHITT (Reply #127)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:09 PM

129. I'm keeping up just fine, thanks

One anecdote does not a fact make.

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Response to mcar (Reply #129)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:24 PM

131. Not An "Anecdote"


Nearly 25% of those hospitalized with COVID-19 In Iowa are fully vaccinated

IDPH data also shows that 75.3% of patients in Iowa hospitals are unvaccinated.

IDPH says 24.7% of patients in Iowa hospitals are fully vaccinated.


https://www.kcci.com/article/25-percent-of-those-hospitalized-with-covid-19-in-iowa-are-fully-vaccinated/37929056


You're welcome.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:12 AM

115. Not an example at all.

Powell had several underlying conditions including Parkinson's and melanoma.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:28 AM

16. I have no nice words...

He lied and a completely unnecessary war ensued where a lot of innocent civilians died.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:32 AM

19. From MyLai to yellowcake, he lied, covered up, caused harm. He was no hero.

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Response to niyad (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:34 AM

20. +1. He was a careerist

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:45 AM

32. Well, he obeyed bad orders

Guess that could be called careerist. Or idiot.

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Response to niyad (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:40 AM

24. So disappointing. He had the ability to do great things, but you are right.

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Response to niyad (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:50 AM

34. +1

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Response to niyad (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:52 AM

36. Include publicly defying Clinton about DADT.

As flawed as it was, DADT was better than the regulations that were in place at the time.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:59 AM

46. Yes, thank you.

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Response to niyad (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:10 AM

82. Yes

The Iraq lies were not his first rodeo

He soooo much wanted to be a member of the white republican male boys club, he would do anything, even sell out the nation.

If he had called bullshit about the landscape sprayers being called weapon of mass destruction, more would have voted against the war.
Cheney/Rumsfeld needed him to vouch for their justification and he swayed a great many votes.

Not that much different than Comey, in a way........

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #82)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:16 AM

86. He was raised on the (DEM) social safety net. When he got in position

of having a sustaining income, he became a Republican.

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Response to niyad (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:15 AM

85. Powell lied himself to death

n/t



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Response to niyad (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 10:37 AM

152. Sorry, but the facts, (and Joe Biden) disagree with you..

Perhap you could at least get it straight on My Lai:

This was written by David Corn of The Nation, likely the most respected publication of the American Left.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/colin-powells-vietnam-fog/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/10/18/statement-of-president-joe-biden-on-the-passing-of-general-colin-powell/

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:35 AM

21. R.I.P. I didn't think he was that old.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:39 AM

23. I hope that he is haunted by all the dead from MyLai and Iraq on all sides.

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Response to niyad (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:41 AM

27. Sorry, but I don't hold your view of death.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:55 AM

40. I don't share "nil nisi bonum".

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Response to niyad (Reply #40)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:02 AM

48. I didn't say anything 'nice. Just believe the dead are dead.

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Response to niyad (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:37 AM

64. I'm sure he wont be, as none of them were his fault.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #64)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:47 AM

76. Fascinating.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:40 AM

26. Two points IMHO. 1.HE could have stop the invasion of Iraq. 2. He could have been elected POTUS.

Two would never have happened after he failed the American people.

Failed us by lying at the UN and not speaking the truth about WMD..... NOT in Iraq.

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:59 AM

45. I do not believe he could have stopped the second invasion of Iraq, even if he came out and refuted

what the the bush administration said. The wheels of war were well on their way, and much of the media was behind the lie, including The NY Times. Knight Ridder was one of the few media outlets who were reporting that WMDs were not there, and they backed it up

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-reporting-team-that-g_n_91981



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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #45)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:27 AM

62. Of course you could very well be right. But we will never know for sure.

At the time of his UN speech, I have always felt if anyone could have stopped it would have been him.

The NYT reporter Judith Miller was wrong at every step of the way. She was being fed misinformation by the Bush Cheney stovepipe of warmongering.

https://slate.com/podcasts/slow-burn/s5/road-to-the-iraq-war/e7/judith-miller-iraq-wmd

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #62)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:37 AM

65. Of course, but as I said, in spite of all that, Knight Ridder got it right, and their reporing

was completely ignored.

They also ignored the UN inspectors who made it clear they could not find any evidence of WMDs

Yes, Powell’s UN presentation was a catalyst that helped propel us into a war that was already feeding into the public narrative looking for someone to pay for 9/11, regardless of its veracity

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:27 AM

110. He could have been elected POTUS in '96

Before 9/11 and the Iraq War. He would have been a much more challenging opponent for Clinton's re-election than Bob Dole was. Also, there was some talk of Obama appointing him as Secretary of Education in '08. I think he would have been a good choice and done good work in that role.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:44 AM

28. once again I invoke the Thumper edict

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:44 AM

30. David Swanson on Powell's lies...

Last edited Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:56 AM - Edit history (2)

https://davidswanson.org/colin-powells-own-staff-had-warned-him-against-his-war-lies/?fbclid=IwAR0HsdBScbb7jX61sTYpFUrSbyRJCnvQIdNEHrFooDXXBFicW4qQECVh-5Q

"For most of his presentation, Powell wasn’t inventing dialogue, but he was presenting as facts numerous claims that his own staff had warned him were weak and indefensible. Powell told the UN and the world: “We know that Saddam’s son, Qusay, ordered the removal of all prohibited weapons from Saddam’s numerous palace complexes.” The January 31, 2003, evaluation of Powell’s draft remarks prepared for him by the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research (“INR”) flagged this claim as “WEAK”.

"Regarding alleged Iraqi concealment of key files, Powell said: “key files from military and scientific establishments have been placed in cars that are being driven around the countryside by Iraqi intelligence agents to avoid detection.” The January 31, 2003 INR evaluation flagged this claim as “WEAK” and added “Plausibility open to question.” A Feb. 3, 2003, INR evaluation of a subsequent draft of Powell’s remarks noted:

"“Page 4, last bullet, re key files being driven around in cars to avoid inspectors. This claim is highly questionable and promises to be targeted by critics and possibly UN inspection officials as well.”

"That didn’t stop Colin from stating it as fact and apparently hoping that, even if UN inspectors thought he was a brazen liar, US media outlets wouldn’t tell anyone.

"On the issue of biological weapons and dispersal equipment, Powell said: “we know from sources that a missile brigade outside Baghdad was disbursing rocket launchers and warheads containing biological warfare agents to various locations, distributing them to various locations in western Iraq.”
The January 31, 2003, INR evaluation flagged this claim as “WEAK”:"

. . .

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:49 AM

33. He was and is part of this Legacy.....

US taxpayers have reportedly paid an average of $8,000 each and over $2 trillion total for the Iraq war alone

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-taxpayers-spent-8000-each-2-trillion-iraq-war-study-2020-2

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #33)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:34 AM

94. I am confused

I distinctly remember Rumsfeld saying Iraq war/invasion would only cost three billion, and that Iraq would pay us back out of their oil revenue.......

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #94)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:44 AM

97. Ah yes lets bring this memory back .....

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #94)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:03 AM

100. Must be the example that made MF45

think Mexico would pay for the wall.

Probably thought there'd be chocolates and flowers for that, too.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:52 AM

38. With a connection to My Lai. Lt Calley and Capt Medina were directly under Col Powell ...

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Response to marble falls (Reply #38)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 09:07 AM

146. General Powell was not even in Vietnam when My Lai occurred..

The measure of hate and blame being heaped upon him here appears to be in great disproportion to his actual responsibility.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #146)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 09:16 AM

147. I don't hate Collin Powell. But I recognize his feet of clay ...

[Search domain edwardrynearson.wordpress.com] https://edwardrynearson.wordpress.com › behind-colin-powells-legend-the-my-lai-massacre
After mentioning the My Lai massacre in My American Journey, Powell penned a partial justification of the Americal's brutality. In a chilling passage, Powell explained the routine practice of murdering unarmed male Vietnamese. "I recall a phrase we used in the field, MAM, for military-age male," Powell wrote.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #147)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 09:27 AM

149. I read the same passage, and it was not a "partial justification"

He basically said that many war situations are so dire, with soldiers scared shirtless, a "kill or be killed" mentality arises.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #149)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 09:49 AM

150. So massacres are alright as long as it was driven by being scared shitless. Got it.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #150)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 10:09 AM

151. Not what he said, not what I said..

Try again.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:53 AM

39. His tombstone should read:

I joined the wrong political party.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:57 AM

43. I can't forgive him for the lies.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:00 AM

47. I served under him, and had the highest respect

He was a good officer, and a very knowledgeable man.

You might not like him. I had a great deal of respect for him, even though he was a republican.

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Response to James48 (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:12 AM

52. Me too. I actually met him at a UN function (before W)

But I still feel betrayed by what he did to get us into a useless war in Iraq. I actually believed his UN speech.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #52)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:18 AM

56. I think he actually believed his UN speech. RIP

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #56)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:03 AM

79. Me too. He seems like the type who wouldnt have given it otherwise.

Cheney played him. And Bush & much of Congress.

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Response to James48 (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:28 AM

63. +++. Some believe the Iraq war could have been avoided if only General Powell had pushed back.

That presumes he had knowledge that the information he was being given was false. I don’t know how much he knew or didn’t know, but he later came out and admitted the invasion of Iraq was a mistake


What I do believe is only Congress could have stopped us going to war, and they didn’t

I also know most of the media was pushing for us to invade Iraq, and it was only Knight Ridder that got the facts correct, and most of the press and new outlets willingly ignored that


and most of the media and Congress shared that blame. Knight Ridder was one of the only voices

out there to push back on the regarding WMDs before the invasion, but the television and most major newspapers ignored it

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-reporting-team-that-g_n_91981

I would go as far as saying they actually encouraged that war. If you caught the Judy Miller interview by Jon Stewart she as much admitted that by using the excuse they couldn’t present the full story because something to the effect that there wasn’t enough room in the paper to present that

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #63)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:46 AM

72. I very much doubt that he could have changed anything

I think he knew that what he presented was bogus but the hawks of the Bush Admin would have gotten their war anyways. It's not as if he came even close to persuading the representatives of other countries like France or Germany to buy what he sold them.

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Response to Hav (Reply #72)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:47 AM

75. I agree

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Response to Hav (Reply #72)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:30 PM

132. They might not have gotten that war if Powell had declared it "bullshit!" publicly

like he did privately. I can only hope he spent the rest of his time on Earth regretting that cowardice, haunted by the ghosts of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi dead.

There’s a price to be paid for being a “company man” and I hope he paid it in full.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:10 AM

50. I had great respect for him

I am so sad to learn that he died from COVID.

We need to do better with the vaccines. More research and better understanding. Fully vaccinated people should not be dying.

My sympathies to his family.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:13 AM

53. His water carrying for george w moron* and chaney

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At the UN with cartoon pictures of “the mobile labs” (that never existed) was the final nail in the coffin in the right wings march to war, fuck him

He will always be a willing participant in the killing 100s of thousands of people.

War criminal is too mild a description for him and his ilk

Fuck him

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Response to Javaman (Reply #53)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:52 AM

113. Yes

And rest in peace Casey Sheehan.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:14 AM

55. Sad

🕯

I think at heart he was a good person. He got used by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld.

R. I. P. General.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:25 AM

60. Rest in peace, Colin, and in the eternal light of Divine love.

Aside from the blot on his record, Powell did his best.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:38 AM

68. GOD, I hope trump doesnt release a statement!

Because whatever it would be would likely be insulting.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:39 AM

69. He was a great man, not matter what period

Rest In Peace General powell

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 08:54 AM

77. He grew old and died.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:06 AM

80. RIP, General Powell.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:20 AM

87. Condolences to the Powell family.

Remember, Cheney had many intelligence connections, and Powell relied on intel from that cabal.

Regardless, I always felt Sec. Powell was a good man, giving us the truth as he knew it.

RIP Sec. Powell

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:22 AM

88. Well, you know what's going to happen

The fucking antivaxers are going to use General Powell’s death as a rallying cry: “See? He was vaccinated and died anyway. The vaccines don’t work and it was the hospital that killed him.”

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:22 AM

89. That's a shame. He made mistakes, but was a patriot.

RIP.

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Response to Wingus Dingus (Reply #89)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:47 AM

98. Yes for sure

I choose to believe that he was used by the Repuke Party. Maybe he was naive about it, he actually believed the crap they told him about the WMD in Iraq. It's just further proof that great military men do not make great politicians. One is all truth and the other is mostly lies.

Rest in Peace, General Powell! Thank you for your service, sir.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #98)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:54 AM

99. I agree. I think honorable people don't always have good radar

for evil liars in their midst.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:24 AM

91. Rest In Peace.

He was a patriot.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:24 AM

92. So sad

Rest in Peace General Powell

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:25 AM

93. He's the only one who could have stopped the Iraq War.

Had he simply told Cheney that the whole box of bullshit he was being asked to bring to the UN was exactly that - bullshit - and resigned as Secretary of State, I think a lot of people might have thought twice about invading Iraq, or at the very least about the rationale behind it.

But I prefer not to judge someone because of one mistake. I'm not minimizing the size of this particular mistake - it was a whopper - but he worked honorably throughout the breadth of his life and career.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #93)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:42 AM

95. Not necessarily, cab

research his past, in particular Mai Lai

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #95)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:09 AM

102. It's actually somewhat murky.

He was asked to investigate a letter claiming abuse on the part of US forces against Vietnamese civilians.

The letter didn't mention My Lai, though - the writer of the letter wouldn't have known much about it. The massacre happened before Powell arrived in Vietnam, and I don't know how much contact he'd have had with those were there. The reports available to him claimed that most of those killed were "enemy combatants" and that only a small number of civilians were inadvertently caught in the crossfire. These reports were flat-out lies, but Powell might not have known that. So whether Powell actually looked into that particular incident, or how much he'd have learned, are open questions.

(Whether he should have known about is another matter - and solving it would require a thorough investigation of everything Powell had been told up to the point he submitted his report.)

That being said, I would agree that the report he submitted didn't take the claims in the letter seriously enough. That is, indeed, a stain on his record. And whether he knew about it or not, given his role in the Amerocal Division, he certainly should have known. I hold the report against him, but am undecided on how much responsibility for knowing (or not knowing) about the massacre should be laid at his feet.


As an aside - I remain forever shocked that so few Americans know who Hugh Thompson was.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #102)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:12 PM

126. Hugh Thompson was an honorable man.

And thanks for the other info. I remember reading at the time that Powell had nothing to do with the massacre, but a lot to do with the attempted cover up.......Oh well..............He sold out big time to Cheney/Rumsfeld.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:16 AM

103. He was one of the few Republicans I never really hated.

That's the best I can say.

RIP

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:24 AM

108. I'm sorry to hear this. Rest in Peace. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:15 AM

116. Great man? No way.

Fawning over this war criminal is disgusting. Name one "great" thing he did. He was a liar plain and simple. When he was caught, he acknowledged that he made a mistake. A mistake! He could have saved his soul by testifying against his fellow war criminals, but he just smiled and remained silent. Was he charming, eloquent, and striking in his medal-bedazzled uniform? Oh, yes. Will he burn for all eternity with W, Cheney, and Gonzales? I'll let the thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis decide.

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Response to fizzix137 (Reply #116)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:26 AM

117. +1

and Welcome to the Democratic Underground fizzix137!!

Thank you for your truth filled post!



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Response to fizzix137 (Reply #116)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 09:19 AM

148. President Joe.Biden strongly disagrees with you..

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:03 PM

124. The willfully unvaccinated killed him.

Just like they have been murdering thousands of others.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:09 PM

125. This is sad, I really liked him, and was hoping some day

He would run for some kind of office. May you have a swift journey to where ever you are going...

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:21 PM

130. RIP. He gave one of the best endorsements I've

ever heard when he endorsed Senator Obama. He spoke for like 5 to 7 minutes straight, no "ummms" or "uhhhs," just pure substance and eloquence. At that moment, I "saw" him and my opinion of him changed.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #130)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:07 PM

134. 100% agree.



RIP Colin Powell.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:04 PM

136. Twitter response:

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Oct 19, 2021, 12:43 PM

144. His life will always have an asterisk beside it

For as many "firsts" as he was, he was a bold-faced liar about Iraq having nuclear/chemical weapons. Nothing can ever erase the legacy of the thousands of US soldiers killed and wounded by his deception.

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