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Sat Oct 16, 2021, 01:52 PM

Woman raped on train as bystanders did nothing, police say

Source: AP

A woman was raped by a stranger on a commuter train in suburban Philadelphia in the presence of other riders who a police official said “should have done something."

Superintendent Timothy Bernhardt of the Upper Darby Police Department said officers were called to the 69th Street terminal around 10 p.m. Wednesday after the assault on the westbound train on the Market-Frankford Line.

An employee of the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority who was in the vicinity as the train went past called police to report that “something wasn't right" with a woman aboard the train, Bernhardt said.

SEPTA police waiting at the next stop found the woman and arrested a man. The woman was taken to a hospital.

Read more: https://www.aol.com/news/woman-raped-train-bystanders-did-152752303-170735009.html



Just when things can't get lower. . .does this barrel have no bottom?

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Reply Woman raped on train as bystanders did nothing, police say (Original post)
AZLD4Candidate Oct 16 OP
JohnSJ Oct 16 #1
dewsgirl Oct 16 #5
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plimsoll Oct 16 #12
Igel Oct 16 #30
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JohnSJ Oct 16 #17
Tree Lady Oct 16 #32
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RKP5637 Oct 16 #3
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The Fifty Stateman Oct 16 #44
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Bucky Oct 16 #15
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Igel Oct 16 #29
NH Ethylene Oct 16 #37
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shrike3 Oct 18 #69
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NurseJackie Oct 16 #19
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AZLD4Candidate Oct 16 #21
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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:02 PM

1. I wonder if those spectators can be charged with being an accessory?

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:08 PM

5. That was my first thought, if not that should become a law.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:09 PM

6. That was my first thought, if not that should become a law.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:01 PM

12. Only if they're black children.

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Response to plimsoll (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:35 PM

30. Which is the same as saying,

"No".

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:27 PM

16. I would say 'no'...

...there's no legal obligation to help a person in distress or danger, even if you're a member of law enforcement. That doesn't make this any less shocking or sad. Most people would like to think they would have done something, but having lived in NYC and knowing how situations are not always what they seem, it's hard for me to say what I would have done, much less what someone else should have.

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Response to appmanga (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:32 PM

17. According to the police report, these bystanders refused to even call 911

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:39 PM

32. I would have done at least that

If I was afraid guy would hurt me, I am a cream puff, could hurt no one.

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Response to Tree Lady (Reply #32)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:40 PM

34. Of course

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:57 PM

41. Not a crime unless the state has a law requiring people to even do something as simple as call 911

if they see someone in distress and even then I would not hold out much hope of any conviction surviving the current conservative majority on SCOTUS.

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Response to appmanga (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:42 PM

18. 'Depraved indifference' is a crime in some states

By-standers can be charged

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:06 PM

43. No.

There is no requirement to stop someone who is breaking a law or even to alert the police a law is being broken.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:16 AM

67. If not criminally, I can still see them being liable on a civil basis

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:03 PM

2. Something we criticize India and other countries for--bystanders

just watching a predator attack a woman in public. Sick and unbelievable.

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Response to Wingus Dingus (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:29 PM

27. Exactly. nt

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:03 PM

3. Some were probably too busy taking pictures to do a damn thing about it. I guess

dialing 911 is just too fucken hard to dial.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:19 PM

24. This was my thought

I bet video will emerge of the entire incident after money has exchanged hands.

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Response to SmittyWerben (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:28 PM

26. Yep!!! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:15 PM

44. Oh yes, I'm sure a lot of them had their precious iPhones recording

 

Indicator 378 of a country in decline.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:04 PM

4. Come On People!

All it would have taken is ONE person to say or do something to help this poor woman and others would follow.

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Response to scardycat (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:24 PM

15. Kitty Genovese syndrome. No one steps forward...

...cause they're waiting on someone to step forward.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:48 PM

20. The reality of Kitty Genovese's death has been entirely overtaken by the sensationalized news story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

Accuracy of original reports
More recent investigations have questioned the original version of events. A 2004 article in The New York Times by Jim Rasenberger, published on the 40th anniversary of Genovese's murder, raised numerous questions about claims in the original Times article. A 2007 study (confirmed in 2014) found many of the purported facts about the murder to be unfounded, stating there was "no evidence for the presence of 38 witnesses, or that witnesses observed the murder, or that witnesses remained inactive". After Moseley's death in March 2016, the Times called their second story "flawed", stating:

While there was no question that the attack occurred, and that some neighbors ignored cries for help, the portrayal of 38 witnesses as fully aware and unresponsive was erroneous. The article grossly exaggerated the number of witnesses and what they had perceived. None saw the attack in its entirety. Only a few had glimpsed parts of it, or recognized the cries for help. Many thought they had heard lovers or drunks quarreling. There were two attacks, not three. And afterward, two people did call the police. A 70-year-old woman ventured out and cradled the dying victim in her arms until they arrived. Ms. Genovese died on the way to a hospital.

Because of the layout of the complex and the fact that the attacks took place in different locations, no witness saw the entire sequence of events. Investigation by police and prosecutors showed that approximately a dozen individuals had heard or seen portions of the attack, though none saw or was aware of the entire incident. Only one witness, Joseph Fink, was aware Genovese was stabbed in the first attack, and only Karl Ross was aware of it in the second attack. Many were entirely unaware that an assault or homicide had taken place; some thought what they saw or heard was a domestic quarrel, a drunken brawl or a group of friends leaving the bar when Moseley first approached Genovese. After the initial attack punctured her lungs, leading to her eventual death from asphyxiation, it is unlikely that Genovese was able to scream at any volume.

A 2015 documentary, featuring Kitty's brother William, discovered that other crime reporters knew of many problems with the story even in 1964. Immediately after the story broke, WNBC police reporter Danny Meehan discovered many inconsistencies in the original article in the Times. Meehan asked Times reporter Martin Gansberg why his article failed to reveal that witnesses did not feel that a murder was happening. Gansberg replied, "It would have ruined the story." Not wishing to jeopardize his career by attacking a powerful figure like Rosenthal, Meehan kept his findings secret and passed his notes to fellow WNBC reporter Gabe Pressman. Later, Pressman taught a journalism course in which some of his students called Rosenthal and confronted him with the evidence. Rosenthal was irate that his editorial decisions were being questioned by journalism students and angrily berated Pressman in a phone call.

On October 12, 2016, the Times appended an Editor's Note to the online version of its 1964 article, stating that, "Later reporting by The Times and others has called into question significant elements of this account."

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Response to Aristus (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:34 PM

29. Early truthiness. n/t

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Response to Aristus (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:49 PM

37. I recall that shocking story and its lengthy aftermath.

It's shameful that it was dishonestly written.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:04 AM

58. Thank you for sharing that.

There have been multiple examinations of how the initial coverage of the murder of Kitty Genovese shaped the narrative and shaped attitudes and beliefs for decades. Among the reexaminations of the account of the attack and its aftermath: the film The Witness, which aired on the series Independent Lens on PBS.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:00 AM

69. I read the "real" account. Still wasn't too impressed with the witnesses' behavior.


But that's me.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:14 PM

7. If there were any reasonably fit men in the car then shame on them for sure

I'd need to know a bit more a bit about the make-up of the passengers before I make a blanket statement that they should have done something, if that means something physical.

Someone who would do this on a commuter train is potentially a highly dangerous/crazed/armed individual.

Nobody at least calling 911 seems pretty horrible, but how much of this took place underground? Is it possible that some tried, but could not get a signal?

I kinda hope that's what it was ... I guess is what I'm saying.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:46 PM

19. Thank you.

I'd need to know a bit more a bit about the make-up of the passengers before I make a blanket statement that they should have done something, if that means something physical.
Thank you... for your thoughtful and reasonable reply.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:51 PM

38. I wondered about the cell signal too. n/t

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:20 AM

65. I read that some of the other passengers recorded the rape on their phones.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #65)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:51 AM

68. Hard to know exactly what to make of that ... video would be useful for ID/prosecution

of the attacker, so there's that.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:20 PM

8. If it were Sunday

I would say they were on the way to an Eagles’ game

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Response to Ishoutandscream2 (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:31 PM

28. At least the Eagles players didn't do it...

... unlike the Cincinnati Bengals players in 1990.

15 Bengals players accused of rape, as 20 others watched.

The players asked her to stay quiet about it, and there was later only a financial settlement.


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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:33 PM

9. I'm glad he was arrested and she got care.

No idea why the people on board didn’t stop it but I’d like to know.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:42 PM

10. That's the thing about a zombie apocalypse

It's barrels all the way down.

Unless, of course, you can find the indigenous people in the outback, and they deem you worthy.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:59 PM

11. This is not the Philly I know and love, there is too much heartbreak right now

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Response to Cozmo (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:01 PM

21. Kensington Beach

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:20 PM

13. All women need to carry pepper spray & keep it handy

Just sayin'

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 03:20 PM

14. I once witnessed something along these lines on the Tube in London (although not as serious).

A friend of mine and I were on vacation there, and while we were waiting for a train a nearby woman started screaming at a man to stop touching her. By appearances, he looked like a vagrant of some sort. He was pawing her, and my friend and I stepped up to and yelled at him to back off...which he did, running away. A short time later an officer showed up, and after questioning everyone and making sure the woman wasn't physically harmed, my friend continued on our way.

It was the only time I've been in this sort of situation. I'm not trying to brag or say I was a hero (username aside). I wasn't. There were two of us, we were in halfway decent shape at the time, and the looked fairly old.. It was uncrowded when it happened, and we were the ones closest to her at the time. I'd like to think that had we not been there, someone else would have intervened.

The point of all this being that I'm unable to understand how the other riders in this instance didn't even have the goddamned decency to at least call 911, never mind getting a few guys together to pull him off of her. Per the story, there were a "lot of people" around her who simply watched as she was raped.

Absolutely disgusting.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:04 PM

22. wretch, puke, vomit... that's how i feel about rapists

I hope she recovers quickly. I know they said that she was very strong but I hope the detritus that did this is lock away for good. Such gutter filth deserves only prison for life in complete segregation.

While I'm against the death penalty, I'm thinking of some words from General Schwarzkopf that seem appropriate: "Forgiveness is between him and God, our job is to arrange the meeting."

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:12 PM

23. "Look outside the window,

There's a woman being grabbed,
They've dragged her to the bushes
And now she's being stabbed,
Maybe we should call the cops and try to stop the pain,
But Monopoly is so much fun, I'd hate to blow the game.
And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Outside of small circle of friends."

Phil Ochs

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #23)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 07:36 PM

51. It's amazing...

How often those lyrics come to mind for me when reading the news.



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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:27 PM

25. There's a rapist on the train but they report that it is the WOMAN who is "not right."

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:37 PM

31. There's the suggestion the penifer wasn't, either.

There's a report that police think he's homeless.

The homeless have a high degree of mental illness.

https://oliverwillis.com/who-is-fiston-ngoy-septa-train-rape-case/

I have no basis for an opinion about oliverwillis.com's reliability.

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Response to Igel (Reply #31)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:46 PM

35. Well of course the rapist is not right. Why didn't the train employees describe HIM that way?

As far as I can tell from the OP, when the train employees finally called this in to police, they only mentioned the woman.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #35)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 06:24 PM

47. So you are angry at the only person who actually did call 911?

Makes total sense.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #47)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 08:31 PM

53. I'm guessing that the 911 call was for the woman's sake.

Why center the rapist when you're getting help for the woman? Esp. if the rapist's run away? Immediate needs immediately handled.

Esp. if it's a train. Ask for an EMT for rape, it's all the same 911. They'll know, "Oh, rape, that's a crime. Call the cops ... too." Maybe even have the cops/EMT at the station when the train arrives, but that depends on timing.

The suspect--the perp or not--was quickly apprehended. Somebody had to give description.

As for "angry," don't know that I need to see that in the post. I could. But I don't need to. I like being charitable, taking what's said in the best possible way (or close to it). As one wag put it, speaking of offense: "Don't take what's not offered."

I'm miffed at the non-reporters, but don't know what I would have done had I been there.

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Response to Igel (Reply #53)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 10:30 PM

55. The rapist didn't run away. He was still on the train.

The police arrested him on the train.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #47)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 10:28 PM

54. No, I'm not angry for them calling 911, but for only mentioning the woman as the issue.

It is like when women are told how to dress and where not go so they don't get raped, thus by implication blaming the victim, instead of going after the men who harass women.

What makes no sense is your snark on this topic.


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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #54)

Sun Oct 17, 2021, 06:48 PM

61. You don't even know what was said or mentioned, considering 911 call was not released.

I find it bizarre that you are upset with what the only person who did call 911 said, instead of all the people who observed and didn't even bother to call.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #61)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:03 AM

64. I'm going by what the police reported the 911 caller said.

What I am trying to point out is that even the employee who did call police said it was the woman who was "not right" (like the woman was acting out or something, as if the woman was the problem). That is what the police reported the train employee said, as excerpted in the OP.

It is not "instead." I take issue with both how the employee reported the incident AND the inaction of witnesses. As I said in my other posts in this thread, it is unconscionable and sick that all those people stood around and did nothing (see my posts #27 and #56 in this thread).

What is so bizarre is how you continue to try to put words in my mouth.

If you disagree with me, fine. But please disagree with what I actually said.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #64)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:50 PM

72. Maybe if people didn't scrutinize every word someone said on 911 call, more

people would be willing to call 911.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #72)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:21 PM

75. Wow. So you're blaming pointing out sexism for why these sickos didn't call 911?

That's a whole new twist to blaming the victim!

Do you really think these miscreants (who you yourself note in this thread used their phones to videotape her rape rather than call the police) didn't call police because they thought some anonymous poster on a discussion board might point out the sexist way they reported the crime?

You do realize you can call 911 anonymously, right?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #75)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:28 PM

76. No, I am saying the goal of 911 call is to get help.

Which what this 911 caller achieved. A person calling in the state of emergency might not always say things in the ways you find acceptable. And in this case you don't even know what exactly was said, yet you dead set to blame 911 caller. The only person who actually bothered to call for help.
I am not going to endlessly argue about this anymore.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #76)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:38 PM

77. I am not "blaming" the 911 caller. I am pointing out how pervasive sexism is in our society.

Again, you put words in my mouth..

Like I said in my above post, I am going by what was reported and commenting based on those reported facts. That's basically what a discussion board like DU is all about. It's what we do here.

Pointing out sexism does not make it worse, nor does it stop people from calling 911.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:56 PM

39. A woman who had been raped would be crying or otherwise attracting notice.

The rapist might not be doing anything to call attention to himself at that point in time.

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Response to NH Ethylene (Reply #39)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 10:36 PM

56. He was raping her in full view of everyone. I'd say he was attracting attention to himself!

It's unconscionable that nobody gave a shit what he was doing.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:39 PM

33. What's going on in philly?

The hell? If it were me on that train that guy would have been beaten to near death

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Response to vercetti2021 (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:48 PM

36. Predators are adept at picking vulnerable victims. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #36)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:57 PM

40. Goddamn it

I fear those who would do that in my presence. Someone would be going to the morgue no doubt. I hate rapists and pedos to no end

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 04:58 PM

42. There has to be more to this story I mean come on why wouldn't they at least call 911?

Maybe what the story is calling bystanders is just couple of rapist friends or the bystanders all were wanted by the law even than human decency would say do something!

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Response to deizo (Reply #42)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:16 PM

45. I'd think there must've been very few commuters...

... when it happened. If there were many spectators at all, surely at least one of them would've taken action!

The police were called at 10pm, but the article didn't indicate when the rape happened. And I don't know the typical number of commuters on that train anyway, for any time of the day.

One of my past friends saw a guy get stabbed at an outdoor Halloween event (late at night) in Dayton OH, and he said that he and the other spectators just left the area after the stabbing happened. He didn't try to notify the police, or anything!

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Response to deizo (Reply #42)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 06:40 PM

48. No cell signal?

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 05:47 PM

46. Absolutely nothing to do with this incident...

But when I learn of something like this I remember a local bank robbery I read about in the Washington Post decades ago. At the time there was police advice about what witnesses to a crime should concentrate on to assist in the following investigation. During the robbery in question a robber noticed that one of the bank customers seemed to be paying particularly close attention to the robbers and their actions. The robber promptly gouged the potential witness's eyes out.

Still unsure what the lesson is here-- or even if there is one.

Edit: Some years later I was a testifying witness in a bank robbery. My eyes remained intact.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 06:59 PM

49. Oh my God. My wife takes SEPTA all the time.

I really can't believe it.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 07:04 PM

50. SMH

Sad. Tragic. Disgusting.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 07:48 PM

52. Absolutely horrible situation

I’ve tried to find an article I read before but I’ve not had any luck. I believe it was a law enforcement article about one of the shootings at a college.

The guy lined up students and shot them in the head. No one fought back.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Oct 17, 2021, 09:47 AM

57. I cannot speak about this situation, but it has been more common than rare violent abuse of another

is essentially ignored in terms of response or aid on behalf of the victim.

I can personally attest to violent, physical assault (perpetrated by my step mother) in the presence of a number of police officers for several hours completely ignored. This occurred in the parking lot of the Honolulu Police Station in 1966.

Over the span of my life, I've become aware that this is not uncommon.


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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Sun Oct 17, 2021, 10:49 AM

59. Anyone who didn't 911 before recording this needs to be charged as an accessory.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #59)

Sun Oct 17, 2021, 06:14 PM

60. Perhaps they had a very understable fear of being accused of racism due to the nature of attacker

We are constantly doxing people who report crimes both actual and imaginary. It should not surprise that people choose not to become involved where there is an intersectionality between crime and victim.

Perhaps we should be less harsh with bystanders that understand that calling the police on a person of color may result in that person's death.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #60)

Sun Oct 17, 2021, 06:48 PM

62. That seems kind of far fetched.

Some of the observers reportedly took video of the attack and put it on social media.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #60)

Sun Oct 17, 2021, 07:08 PM

63. Ok, let me put is this way: a scumbag's life means NOTHING while in the commision of raping ...

... say, one of your relatives or family. It is a sad, sad day, that the the person of a rape victim is worth less than a rapist caught in the act by a car full of passengers who stood by and filmed WITHOUT calling the police. Since when do we worry about raping rapists caught in the act???????

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #60)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 07:38 AM

66. That's a bingo

 

As discomforting for some to hear it still needs to be said.

I’d factor in general apathy and entrenched “not my problem” mindset to cover the rest.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:47 PM

70. Does anyone remember the last episodes of Seinfeld?

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Response to WhoWoodaKnew (Reply #70)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:50 PM

71. PA doesn't have a "good samaritan" law.

So these people can't be charged if they observed and did nothing.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #71)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:01 PM

73. i know. it just reminded me of how that series ended.

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Response to WhoWoodaKnew (Reply #73)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:08 PM

74. Yep, Jerry and friends watched a robbery while making jokes, instead of calling for help.

Unfortunately the part about them being put on trial for that isn't happening in real life.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:51 PM

78. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest she might've been too shocked or frightened to resist.

I mean, this is gonna be a weird story, one way or another. Her incapacity is NOT and should never be a significant part of the story. The man acted and the woman did not consent. And the public there who noticed it were wrong not to intervene. I've read nothing to give this horror a different spin.

There might be more explanations of how it happened. There is no excuse for it happening.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #78)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:09 PM

79. There is a video of the whole incident and it shows that she was trying to push him off,

from what has been reported.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #79)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:28 PM

80. So the "did nothing" comment is bullshit?

People passing the buck onto the victim is bullshit.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #80)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:36 PM

81. Bystanders are the ones who did nothing.

There were other people on the train, not one of them called 911, until a SEPTA employee did.

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