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Fri Oct 15, 2021, 09:19 AM

Tory MP Sir David Amess dies after stabbing

Source: BBC News

Conservative MP Sir David Amess has died after being stabbed at his constituency surgery in Essex.

Police said a man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after the stabbing in Leigh-on-Sea.

They said they recovered a knife and were not looking for anyone else in connection to the incident.

Sir David, 69, had been an MP since 1983 and was married with five children.



Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58930593

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Reply Tory MP Sir David Amess dies after stabbing (Original post)
SoCalNative Oct 15 OP
question everything Oct 15 #1
BradAllison Oct 15 #3
LeftishBrit Oct 15 #15
Devil Child Oct 15 #5
question everything Oct 15 #6
Devil Child Oct 15 #12
BradAllison Oct 15 #27
Doodley Oct 15 #9
Devil Child Oct 15 #13
Doodley Oct 18 #40
LeftishBrit Oct 15 #16
soldierant Oct 15 #22
Doodley Oct 18 #39
soldierant Oct 20 #41
Polybius Oct 15 #29
llashram Oct 16 #36
Doodley Oct 18 #38
obamanut2012 Oct 20 #43
llashram Oct 28 #47
cinematicdiversions Oct 15 #14
LeftishBrit Oct 15 #18
sarisataka Oct 15 #7
question everything Oct 15 #26
Doodley Oct 15 #8
obamanut2012 Oct 20 #44
Tanuki Oct 15 #10
soldierant Oct 15 #21
Devil Child Oct 15 #20
Post removed Oct 15 #24
Devil Child Oct 15 #25
obamanut2012 Oct 20 #42
irisblue Oct 15 #2
orleans Oct 15 #4
Jilly_in_VA Oct 15 #11
LeftishBrit Oct 15 #17
Devil Child Oct 15 #19
oasis Oct 15 #23
Demovictory9 Oct 15 #28
oasis Oct 15 #30
Devil Child Oct 15 #31
oasis Oct 16 #32
Devil Child Oct 16 #33
oasis Oct 16 #34
Devil Child Oct 16 #35
obamanut2012 Oct 20 #45
Devil Child Oct 20 #46
muriel_volestrangler Oct 16 #37

Response to SoCalNative (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 09:46 AM

1. We export too many things

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Response to question everything (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:09 AM

3. I would argue the history of violence in British politics is worse.

This is the second MP to be murdered in about five years.

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 01:39 PM

15. Yes. And another MP was seriously injured in a stabbing, but recovered

And yet another was the target of a murder plot, that only failed because one of the plotters defected and informed the police.

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Response to question everything (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:38 AM

5. A stabbing of an politician in England is the result of US export?

 

Please, tell me more. Sounds kinda like American Exceptionalism with a negative lens.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:39 AM

6. Violence, attacking public servants.

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Response to question everything (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 12:46 PM

12. Ok, you have IDd what happened

 

Now show proofs for how this is connected to the US "export." Especially considering the long rich history of violence against politicians in the history of England and the greater UK.

Still smells like a thought process rooted in negative American Exceptionalism.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 08:48 PM

27. It's a reflex of DU

Same goes with any story regarding a religion other than Christianity committing some sort of horror, it's just dismissed as "something Christians want to do in this country".

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:14 AM

9. The anger, the hate, the division, the influence of Trump around the world.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 12:48 PM

13. Now connect what you posted to this event

 

Was the stabber wearing a MAGA hat, a MGTOW incel, etc...

England has plenty of political violence that isn't explained by MERICA!

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:27 AM

40. I'm talking about a climate of hate and anger. Climate has many components.

I was replying to a post that was saying we export many things. Trump has been a major export!

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Response to Doodley (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 01:41 PM

16. I don't think you can blame Trump for this, awful as he is.

Another MP, Jo Cox, was murdered before Trump was elected. Yet another, Stephen Timms. was stabbed a few years before that, but fortunately recovered.

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 02:46 PM

22. Also, this MP was a Tory.

It seems unlikely someone who admired Trump** would have deemed him too liberal, I would think. Of course, I might be wrong.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:23 AM

39. Hate and anger is a virus that can infect those on the far left and the far right.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #39)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 02:29 AM

41. The killer loves Trump**.

The Mp was a Tory.

Neither of those people would be on the far left.

Neither of those things makes your statement wrong - since it isn't wrong, it's correct. But it doesn't seem relevant.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 09:37 PM

29. Hiter didn't learn from Trump

Hatred has been around since the dawn of time.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 12:16 PM

36. No Hitler didn't learn from trump

but Hitler did learn from our racial hate and segregation policies before he became Germany's leader. And S. African apartheid (apart hate) became law in 1948. Hmmm, wonder where they got that idea?

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Response to llashram (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 03:16 AM

38. Agreed. Hate and violence is infectious.

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Response to llashram (Reply #36)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 06:37 AM

43. They got that idea, Hitler got the idea for camps, from the Brits

Read about the Boer War. All of that started with GB and the Brits, not the Afrikaaners. Not the Americans. The worst of Eugenics started in the US, but not the rest of it.

This country sucks in many ways, but blaming everything on us is weird AF.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #43)

Thu Oct 28, 2021, 11:43 AM

47. nothing weird about the truth

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I think you should study history more closely. While Britain was more racist the longest, logic and timelines are a cinch to see where apartheid(apart hate began). S. Africa in 1948 created apartheid after DeKlerk visited and spoke to a joint session of Congress. Hence 'homelands' in s.afrikan policy 1948. Hitler found guidelines on how to hate and segregate and hopefully destroy "others", not white, not Aryan. DeKlerk and Hitler saw American segregation policies, studied and came up with their "solutions" of which one was a "final solution"see Wansee Protocol 1942). America in modern times has always provided the blueprint for others to see how to hate and hopefully destroy non-whites and "undesirables". See American slavery and segregation policies. 1619-1860.

Nothing will ever change my mind about these historical facts.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 01:34 PM

14. Pretty sure England's a lot more violent than America when it comes to this kind of thing

I mean this is the 2nd mp killed in the last 5 years. To mention the various bombing campaigns over the last 30 to 40 years.

I know there's an American website but people here ridiculously American centric.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 01:46 PM

18. Not more violent but less security-conscious

MPs see their constituents at their surgeries (offices) and at public events, without an awful lot of protection.

Unfortunately, these acts of violence are likely to result in tightening of security, and in it being more difficult for citizens to see their MPs.

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Response to question everything (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:01 AM

7. This is the US fault?

Was there no violence before it was invented here?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 07:49 PM

26. No other country in Western Europe has a murder rate compared to this one


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Response to question everything (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:13 AM

8. As somebody who lived in Britain most my life, I have to agree with you.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 06:37 AM

44. lol

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Response to question everything (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:21 AM

10. Thomas Becket begs to differ.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 02:44 PM

21. THIS

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Response to question everything (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 01:56 PM

20. Somalian suspect arrested, you may want to bemoan the export of ideologies from other regions

 

Or was his actions still the result of creeping negative effects of American Exceptionalism?

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Fri Oct 15, 2021, 06:11 PM

25. 'You shine out like a shaft of gold when all around it is dark.'

 

Still missing you, glad to have you back! Shining like a ray of light

Returning to the point, anything to add regarding US cultural export explaining the stabbing of a UK politician by a 25 year old Somali?

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Response to question everything (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 06:34 AM

42. You mean they exported political violence to other countries

The US, South Africa, etc.

It is weird you are blaming the US for this.

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Response to SoCalNative (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 09:55 AM

2. More from the article

Who was Sir David Amess?
A Conservative backbencher for nearly forty years, Sir David entered Parliament in 1983 as the MP for Basildon.

He held the seat in 1992, but switched to nearby Southend West at the 1997 election.

Raised as a Roman Catholic, he was known politically as a social conservative and as a prominent campaigner against abortion and on animal welfare issues.

He was also known for his championing of Southend, including a long-running campaign to win city status for the town."

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Response to SoCalNative (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:26 AM

4. so i had to google the term...

"A political surgery, constituency surgery, constituency clinic, mobile office or sometimes advice surgery, in British and Irish politics, is a series of one-to-one meetings that a Member of Parliament (MP), Teachta Dála (TD) or other political officeholder may have with their constituents.[1] At a surgery, constituents may raise issues of concern in the same manner that a person may directly consult a general practitioner (GP) in their surgery (a "surgery" being the term for the GP's workplace, an "office" in American parlance). The issues may relate to local issues (street crime, litter, a request for intervention by the representative on behalf of the constituent with local or national government) or to national policy matters.[2] Often the constituent's issue will be followed up by a caseworker or assistant. Surgery meetings are usually confidential and differ from town hall meetings, which are open to many people at the same time."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery_(politics)

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Response to SoCalNative (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 12:32 PM

11. I am halfway expecting

similar to start happening here, given the level of political rhetoric on the right. Not to mention the amount of crazies out there. Look at Gabby Giffords, after all.

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Response to SoCalNative (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 01:42 PM

17. Very sad and shocking

RIP

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Response to SoCalNative (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 01:54 PM

19. UPDATED: Sir David Amess dies: Somalian man, 25, arrested on suspicion of stabbing MP

 

Paramedics tried for two hours to save the 69-year-old father-of-five, but he died of his injuries and figures across the political spectrum have paid tribute to the "irreplaceable" MP.

Essex Police said counter-terror officers were leading the investigation after a 25-year-old man was arrested, and officers were not looking for anybody else in connection with the incident.

A witness who described seeing the suspect being taken away by the police said he was calm and compliant.

Security sources confirmed that the suspect was believed to be a Somalian, but police were still seeking to establish a motive for the attack.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/10/15/conservative-mp-david-amess-stabbed-multiple-times-surgery-church1/

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Response to SoCalNative (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 04:26 PM

23. Martial arts training for self defense should be offered to MPs. nt

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Response to oasis (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 09:24 PM

28. anti gun countries have a 'stabbing vest", they should wear one in public

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:18 PM

30. Look for sales on those vests to pick up soon. The crazies

are running amok everywhere.

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Response to oasis (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:49 PM

31. I don't think kung fu training would help a 69 yr old senior against a 25 yr old terrorist n/t

 

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #31)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:15 AM

32. "Kung fu"? There are many other disciplines in martial arts from which

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to choose. They are available to men and women of all ages.

You probably already knew that.





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Response to oasis (Reply #32)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:23 AM

33. Point me to one that would give a 69 yr old senior the edge over an assailant with an edged weapon

 

Especially an attacker motivated by terrorism to complete his "mission." I think martial arts are a worthwhile and admirable pursuit, but I'm still at a loss why you recommend it as response after a terrorist attack on an elderly man.

Im thinking police followup on terror watchlists, security at close up events, etc might have a better effect on prevention of further incidents.

You probably already knew this too.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:38 AM

34. Unfortunately, that particular 69 yr old senior can't benefit from

anything you or I recommend at this time.

I invite you to do your own research on how many deaths have been avoided by the use of martial arts.

Have a good day.

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Response to oasis (Reply #34)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:48 AM

35. No, but future victims might considering your suggestion

 

Correct? I'll keep looking and I'll be paying special mind to 0 being the total number of UK politicians being saved from a terrorist's knife attack using martial arts.

You have a good one too.

For the record, 15 years taekwando and now just yoga for my daily.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #33)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 06:40 AM

45. Aikido would, with decades of training

And, a senior would still probably lose against a young male.

I agree with you it's ridiculous, I am just being pedantic.

So, if the MP had 50 years of high-level Aikido training, and was aware he would be attacked and could prepare, he MAYBE would have lived.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #45)

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 08:44 AM

46. Thank you for your pedantic post! :D

 

Made me smile.

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Response to SoCalNative (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 02:25 PM

37. Counter-terrorist officers say attack on MP linked to Islamist extremism

Counter-terrorism detectives are investigating whether David Amess was specifically targeted for attack by a man who stabbed the MP multiple times, then waited for police to arrest him.
...
The atrocity was assessed by senior counter-terrorism officials as being linked to a jihadist ideology because of developments in the investigation after the suspect was arrested, the Guardian understands.

These include statements the suspect allegedly made after police detained him.
...
The Guardian has revealed the suspect, aged 25, was previously known to the Prevent scheme, the official programme to stop radicalisation. His involvement was short, according to multiple sources. He has no known previous terrorist involvement.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/16/police-probe-whether-david-amess-specially-targeted-for-killing

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