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Tue Oct 12, 2021, 05:08 PM

Pelosi Steers Party Toward Biden Agenda With 'Fewer Things'

Source: Bloomberg

Fractious Democrats are grappling with how to fit their priorities into a shrunken tax and spending bill, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is signaling that President Joe Biden’s signature plan will be scaled back by focusing on fewer, well-executed programs.

“We have some important decisions to make in the next few days so that we can proceed,” Pelosi said Tuesday at a news conference. “If there are fewer dollars to be spent, there are choices to be made.”

Democrats must slim down a bill worth at least $3.5 trillion that was crafted by House committees last month to roughly $2 trillion -- a figure Biden has floated as a potential compromise between progressives pushing for more and West Virginia Democrat Senator Joe Manchin, a moderate who says he supports a number closer to $1.5 trillion.

Pelosi said she is “very disappointed” the level of spending will be less than $3.5 trillion.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pelosi-steers-democrats-toward-biden-agenda-with-e2-80-98fewer-things-e2-80-99/ar-AAPqozr?ocid=uxbndlbing

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Reply Pelosi Steers Party Toward Biden Agenda With 'Fewer Things' (Original post)
TheProle Oct 2021 OP
RKP5637 Oct 2021 #1
Budi Oct 2021 #2
empedocles Oct 2021 #10
msongs Oct 2021 #3
Miguelito Loveless Oct 2021 #12
Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #4
OneCrazyDiamond Oct 2021 #5
jimfields33 Oct 2021 #6
JohnSJ Oct 2021 #14
rickyhall Oct 2021 #7
Mike Nelson Oct 2021 #8
JohnSJ Oct 2021 #17
yaesu Oct 2021 #9
Moebym Oct 2021 #11
JohnSJ Oct 2021 #15
myohmy2 Oct 2021 #13
JohnSJ Oct 2021 #16
FBaggins Oct 2021 #18

Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 05:12 PM

1. I think of Manchin, anymore, as bought and paid for. If scaled back, then in 2022 and 2024 the

GOP will scream the democrats got nothing accomplished.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 05:21 PM

2. I expect every D to come to the table, negotiate what they can & accept the final deal.

 

No one better cause any more delay. Get the best they can for America & pass the bill.

See this as a starting point to Build Back Better from.

Stop the Media bullshit & get back to productive work if they're really as serious as they all say they are, rather than grandstanding.

We're waiting.....


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Response to Budi (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:29 PM

10. Yes

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 05:24 PM

3. 2 trillion is a whole lot better than what we have now nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:11 PM

12. Right

And Lucy Manchin and Lucy Sinema will pull the $2 trillion 🏈 away as soon as we agree to it.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 05:36 PM

4. "Fractious Democrats"? How about 96% United Democrats, obstructed by a handful of Conservatives

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 05:38 PM

5. Why in the bleep does Manchin

and Sinema get to set the agenda?

We need to elect more D's in to the Senate.

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Response to OneCrazyDiamond (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 05:42 PM

6. Because there's only 48 votes without them.

That’s the bottom line. They get to make the bill comfortable enough to vote for the bill. If we had 52 democratic senators, it probably would have passed already.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 05:45 AM

14. I cannot understand why some don't seem to understand that. They make the

same arguments, when the reality is Manchin and Sinema are not going to change their position


Recall before the 2020 primary, Manchin made it clear that if Sanders was the nominee, he wouldn’t support him in the general election against trump?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/468278-manchin-says-he-wouldnt-back-sanders-against-trump-in-presidential-race?amp

The fact is Manchin and Sinema don’t care if we lose the majority in 2022, means there isn’t much wiggle room with them

So when the progressive caucus tells Schumer and Pelosi you better not cut or else, the reality is that Schumer and Pelosi have very little control over Manchin and Sinema:

https://www.rawstory.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-sends-a-warning-to-pelosi-and-schumer/

It will come down to this in the end, is it all or nothing, or do you at least want something

There is no leverage with Manchin and Sinema


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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 05:45 PM

7. It's just hard to imagine one very small man can do so much damage.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 05:53 PM

8. Just Get It...

... DONE! Get these bills passed and run on them - people will feel the benefits. Then, they will elect more Democrats!

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 06:06 AM

17. Yes. The reality is that Manchin and Sinema are the ones calling the shots. They don't care

whether Democrats lose the majority. It is either their way or nothing, and if the progressive caucus feels the same way, then that is exactly what will happ n.

Have at least 52 votes in the Senate, and it is a different story

Recall before the 2020 primary, Manchin made it clear that if Sanders was the nominee, he wouldn’t support him in the general election against trump?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/468278-manchin-says-he-wouldnt-back-sanders-against-trump-in-presidential-race?amp

This is what we are dealing with




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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:04 PM

9. I don't quite remember the fascists "scaling back' their tax breaks for the rich when they were in

power, this his fucking shameful

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Response to yaesu (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:00 PM

11. Save your ire for the Conservadems

We go to war with the soldiers we have, and not the ones we wish we had. Right now, we have only the slimmest of majorities in both chambers, with a handful of obstinate fools demanding concessions.

The Republicans didn't have to face the same obstacles we're facing now.

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Response to Moebym (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 05:54 AM

15. Exactly. The situations aren't even close to being comparable, and what some fail to

understand is that we have very little leverage over Manchin or Sinema. They don’t care whether the Democrats retain the majority or not

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 11:15 PM

13. 'Fewer Things'

...start by cutting all federal monies going to West Virginia and Arizona...

...that ought a do it...

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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 05:56 AM

16. Unfortunately it won't. The reality is what will end up in the reconciliation bill is what

Manchin and Sinema agree to.

Nothing will pass without their agreement

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 02:39 PM

18. Focusing on the dollar amount oversimplifies the problem

It isn't just that we can't have as many programs in a smaller bill... it's that the two recalcitrant senators don't just disagree with the remaining 48 Democrats. They also disagree with each other. Sinema wants robust cliamte provisions in the bill... Manchin won't support that. Manchin supports corporate tax increases and a form of the prescription drug plan... Sinema opposes those things.

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