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Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:25 AM

Hospital system says it will deny transplants to the unvaccinated in 'almost all situations'

Source: Washington Post

A Colorado-based health system says it is denying organ transplants to patients not vaccinated against the coronavirus in “almost all situations,” citing studies that show these patients are much more likely to die if they get covid-19.

The policy illustrates the growing costs of being unvaccinated and wades into deeply controversial territory — the use of immunization status to decide who gets limited medical care. The mere idea of prioritizing the vaccinated for rationed health resources has drawn intense backlash, as overwhelmingly unvaccinated covid-19 patients push some hospitals to adopt “crisis standards of care,” in which health systems can prioritize patients for scarce resources based largely on their likelihood of survival.

UCHealth’s rules for transplants entered the spotlight Tuesday when Colorado state Rep. Tim Geitner (R) said it denied a kidney transplant to a Colorado Springs woman because she was not vaccinated against the coronavirus. Calling the decision “disgusting” and discriminatory, Geitner shared a letter that he said the patient received last week from UCHealth’s transplant center at the University of Colorado’s Anschutz Medical Campus in the city of Aurora.

The letter said the woman would be “inactivated” on a kidney transplant waiting list and had 30 days to start coronavirus vaccination. If she refused to be vaccinated, it said, she would be removed.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hospital-system-says-it-will-deny-transplants-to-the-unvaccinated-in-almost-all-situations/ar-AAPb9RA

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Reply Hospital system says it will deny transplants to the unvaccinated in 'almost all situations' (Original post)
TheProle Oct 2021 OP
bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #1
irisblue Oct 2021 #2
eShirl Oct 2021 #4
PatSeg Oct 2021 #12
FarPoint Oct 2021 #3
lambchopp59 Oct 2021 #5
IronLionZion Oct 2021 #6
geardaddy Oct 2021 #11
Fritz Walter Oct 2021 #7
calimary Oct 2021 #8
Bayard Oct 2021 #9
geardaddy Oct 2021 #10
halfulglas Oct 2021 #13
wryter2000 Oct 2021 #14
Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #15
HuskyOffset Oct 2021 #16
Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #22
Scalded Nun Oct 2021 #17
dchill Oct 2021 #18
Jilly_in_VA Oct 2021 #19
durablend Oct 2021 #20
ToxMarz Oct 2021 #21
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #23
ExTex Oct 2021 #24
RobinA Oct 2021 #25

Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:28 AM

1. OMG now they're using science and statistics!! "these patients are much more likely to die "

This should really juice the anti-vaxx, school board crowd

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:32 AM

2. Not being willing to follow your medical staff advice is reason to deny the service

Livers. do not get transplanted into active alcoholics.
The patient has a choice, as is her right. Her choice is to FAFO, and she did.

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Response to irisblue (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:38 AM

4. yep

my late husband had to quit smoking before going on the kidney transplant list
(so we both did)

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Response to irisblue (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:57 AM

12. Exactly

Eligibility for a transplant was already conditional and this is just one more very reasonable requirement.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:38 AM

3. Transplant option is a great gift.....

The Transplant rules are strict for a reason ..Did you know...must be non smoker ..they do drug screening for nicotine...6 months absence of nicotine is a rule, no cheating...if detected ..one gets bumped off list for another 6 months ... people die on a waiting list...

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:47 AM

5. The fantasy world of the COVID denial MAGAts all consuming

Wrapping up some downtime, relatively effective at healing up from long-haul COVID symptoms before re-joining the hospital front lines, I've had some bent fun "debating" some of the anti-vaxx, anti-mask nutjobs. Just search for any YouTube video with term "Fauci" and the comments section will be loaded with poorly spelled, often unintelligible responses.
I'd placed the following comment into one of those reply threads about wearing masks in surgery:
I spend 12 hours a day 3 or 4 days a week, exception 1/2 hr lunch break, often overtime in surgery masked. Some may get a tiny clue to how pathetically whiney it sounds to our team how inconvenienced, how offended anti-maskers get being asked to wear a mask in the store.
The stupidity flood of replies was astonishing. I didn't respond to any of it, but it became hot debate thread, pages long.
One particular reply was mildly amusing, took considerable deciphering because the person commenting obviously was attempting to spell out his craziness phonetically. What little I could decipher of that person's veritable hieroglyphics truly stunned: roughly this person appeared to be asking an undecipherable question of me:
(paraphrased in correct spelling): "When you hospital workers call the government to fill all your empty beds..." (remainder completely unintelligible)
Wow. Just simply wow.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 09:57 AM

6. Transplant recipients are immune compromised for life

so if they are also unvaccinated, it's inevitable that they will get this virus that attacks vital organs like heart and lungs

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:44 AM

11. Yes, I'm on a maintenance immunosuppression dose now

after 27 years. I got my third (booster) dose in August. Covid is no joke for people like me.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:16 AM

7. If I were the organ donor, ...

...I'd tell Geitner to STFU, until and unless he gives one of his kidneys first.
And even then I'd tell him to "Go piss up a rope!"

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:33 AM

8. Moral of the story: be aware of the decisions you make, anti-vaxxers.

Because your life WILL depend on it.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:39 AM

9. A sound policy

It makes me sick to read news of a heart attack or accident victim dying because the ICU's are all taken up by the stubbornly unvaccinated.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:42 AM

10. Good!

As a renal transplant recipient, I'm glad they're denying transplants to unvaccinated idiots.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:15 AM

13. Please not just transplants.

Although they should certainly deny transplants. What a waste of this wonderful gift from another person and their family to die from something like COVID. It should be NO flying on airlines, NO concerts, etc. Even if it is just hesitancy and not evil obstinance, if they want to keep their bodies "pure" don't contaminate our public spaces either. Returning to ordinary life should be a privilege which those of us who are vaccinated have earned, while they have not while keeping the pandemic going.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:34 AM

14. This is completely reasonable

All kinds of factors go into deciding who gets organs. One is how likely they are to go on with a reasonable life afterwards. The unvaccinated have a higher likelihood of dying. That puts a similar patient who is vaccinated ahead of them. There is no good medical reason for people not to be vaccinated.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 12:01 PM

15. Pity the GOP, unable to respond. The logic that applies when a private business denies service

in any restaurant, no shoes no service, applies in a private medical care system.

No vaccination, no service.

No soup for you, GOP!





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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 12:07 PM

16. Here's a question: would an anti-vaxxer refuse a transplant organ

from a donor who had been vaccinated against covid-19?

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Response to HuskyOffset (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 03:28 PM

22. Some claim they wouldn't want blood from an individual with the Mark of the Beast

Wonder how fast they'd change their tune if they were bleeding out?

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 12:15 PM

17. The question to ask is why would an anti-vaxxer even want a transplant

Only science (and not nut-job idiots) states that the procedure would help.

Does anyone have a clue as to just how many tracking devices can be concealed in an organ? I had GOT to be a shitload.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 12:18 PM

18. I'm for complete DOS.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 12:29 PM

19. As they should

This is a wise decision. IMNSHO, they should also deny the unvaccinated ICU care, but that's just me being ugly.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:08 PM

20. Some claiming "religious concerns" over the vaccine.

Mhmm, guess what "god" obviously wanted your kidney to fail. Pretty sure a transplant is a nono as well.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 02:27 PM

21. Because of course the only why to implant a tracking device and alter your DNA

is thorough a vaccine shot. Couldn't possibly do anything like that to someone under anesthesia having an foreign organ transplanted in their body.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 07:52 PM

23. The choice for a Colorado patient: Get vaccinated, or miss out on a kidney transplant.

A Colorado health system told a prospective kidney transplant recipient that she would not receive an organ donation if she remained unvaccinated against the coronavirus, a state lawmaker said this week.

Representative Tim Geitner, a Republican, said in a Facebook Live post on Tuesday that a local resident had received a letter from the service, UCHealth, stating that her status on the transplant waiting list had been changed to inactive.

“Unfortunately and sadly, UCHealth has said that unless and until this individual is willing to take a Covid vaccine, that they will not be able to perform this lifesaving surgery,” Mr. Geitner said.

Posting on Twitter, Mr. Geitner shared a letter from UCHealth to the patient that cited “noncompliance.” The letter, dated Sept. 28, advised the patient that she had 30 days to “begin the vaccination series” and that she would be removed from the list if she did not.




https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/06/us/covid-vaccine-kidney-transplant.html

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Response to ExTex (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:04 AM

25. You Do Not Need

to be vaccinated to get a colonoscopy. I've had two recently and they never even asked me about vaccination. Which I am, not they didn't know that.

Does pervious immunity survive suppressive drugs? If not, what is the purpose of this rule?

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