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cadoman

(792 posts)
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:09 AM Oct 2021

New York's largest health care provider fires 1,400 unvaccinated employees.

Last edited Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:04 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: New York Times

Northwell Health, New York State’s largest health care provider, announced on Monday that 1,400 employees — less than 2 percent of its staff — refused to get vaccinated against the coronavirus and had to leave their jobs.

New York is requiring that the state’s more than 650,000 hospital and nursing home workers be vaccinated, a mandate that started to take effect last week, prompting tens of thousands of employees to get their shots. Others filed lawsuits, and courtrooms across the state are determining when and how to allow exemptions to the requirement.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/04/nyregion/northwell-employees-fired.html



Overall this is _extremely_ encouraging because that'd put the number of holdouts at less than two percent.

After Newsom's win I think the verdict is clear: mandatory vaccines are a winning policy!
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New York's largest health care provider fires 1,400 unvaccinated employees. (Original Post) cadoman Oct 2021 OP
On the plus side they can start their own health network. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #1
Will be interesting to see their mortality rate statistics SouthernDem4ever Oct 2021 #24
They should go into the self-directed hospital business, servicing the horse de-wormer folks. NCjack Oct 2021 #29
It is really disturbing to me Steelrolled Oct 2021 #2
well that's just the thing, it was an _extremely_ small number cadoman Oct 2021 #4
That doesn't seem extremely small to me. Steelrolled Oct 2021 #5
Just Indicitive About How Utterly Fucked Up A Portion Of This Country's Population Are nt SoCalDavidS Oct 2021 #11
2 per cent NJCher Oct 2021 #16
It's not just nurses, it's all hospital workers. Anyone caring for patients needs to vaccinated PortTack Oct 2021 #18
Seriously. Are they witch doctors? SouthernDem4ever Oct 2021 #25
They may have a grace period. SergeStorms Oct 2021 #10
It takes 6 - 8 weeks to complete the vaccination process. PSPS Oct 2021 #14
I'm aware of the process. SergeStorms Oct 2021 #20
Anti-vax and Nursing does really seem to go hand in hand for some reason... NT cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #21
maybe some of them are voodoo healers. SouthernDem4ever Oct 2021 #26
That's bc many of them are hard core conservatives. FlyingPiggy Oct 2021 #33
The "byebyejob" subreddit is gonna be busy tomorrow!!! RockRaven Oct 2021 #3
Wonder how many will have a change of heart come next non-payday . . . Journeyman Oct 2021 #6
Where I work, the policy explicitly forbids... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #19
It would be good to find another source for the story in which the link GoodRaisin Oct 2021 #7
thank you, updated to NYT [nt] cadoman Oct 2021 #8
No problem. GoodRaisin Oct 2021 #9
1400 Snackshack Oct 2021 #12
it's actually much better than that, 1400/76000, this was just one corporation cadoman Oct 2021 #13
How many are waiting for that Big Payday when they are Vindicated and Win Big Damages? NBachers Oct 2021 #15
In their wildest dreams NJCher Oct 2021 #17
Sure hope they don't get sick with no health insurance. multigraincracker Oct 2021 #23
Are they not eligible for the ACA exchange? MichMan Oct 2021 #32
Those of us who got vaccinated are tired of the holdouts. Lonestarblue Oct 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author turbinetree Oct 2021 #27
Meanwhile the fired teachers went on a rampage... Historic NY Oct 2021 #28
There must be a need for personal medical services in the anti-vax sector. Perfect match. NCjack Oct 2021 #30
There are plenty of jobs available in healthcare IronLionZion Oct 2021 #31

OAITW r.2.0

(25,579 posts)
1. On the plus side they can start their own health network.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:21 AM
Oct 2021

Scamdemic Partners....for people that do their own research!

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
2. It is really disturbing to me
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:28 AM
Oct 2021

that so many people in the health care industry in New York would choose being fired over getting a vaccine that has been shown to be extremely safe. I wonder how many other got it against their wishes, solely to keep their job.

cadoman

(792 posts)
4. well that's just the thing, it was an _extremely_ small number
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:52 AM
Oct 2021

Keep in mind that 1400 is out of 76000. It is an _extremely_ low number.

As far as the people that felt "threatened" into getting it ( ), who knows, or cares? What we can clearly see is that even people with good paying jobs are financially vulnerable enough that they'll feel they have no choice but to take it. That is indicative of a functional policy incentive! If medical professionals can't say no, we know that anyone in a lower income bracket won't have any choice either.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
5. That doesn't seem extremely small to me.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:57 AM
Oct 2021

Before this all started, I have would guessed that would the number of people who would take some persuading. When vaccination was made a condition for employment, I would have guessed only a handful of crazies would have held out, not 1400.

PortTack

(33,259 posts)
18. It's not just nurses, it's all hospital workers. Anyone caring for patients needs to vaccinated
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 03:25 AM
Oct 2021

They have no business in health care if they are unvaccinated!

SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
25. Seriously. Are they witch doctors?
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:15 AM
Oct 2021

I hate when one of them says, "I don't believe in vaccines". When the hell did this become a belief system?

SergeStorms

(19,222 posts)
10. They may have a grace period.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:30 AM
Oct 2021

Some healthcare companies are giving a one week grace period, and if they get vaccinated within that time they're not fired. Some people will always push the envelope to see if management is serious with their threats.

I don't know for sure if that's the case here, but if it is, the total will probably drop considerably.

For the people who won't get vaccinated, buh bye, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

PSPS

(13,771 posts)
14. It takes 6 - 8 weeks to complete the vaccination process.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:10 AM
Oct 2021

Some employers have been giving the option of going on leave to complete the process.

SergeStorms

(19,222 posts)
20. I'm aware of the process.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:34 AM
Oct 2021

Some employers are allowing their employees to initiate the process by having the first shot by the cut off date. They needn't complete the dual vaccination process by the cut off date to retain employment.

FlyingPiggy

(3,409 posts)
33. That's bc many of them are hard core conservatives.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:43 PM
Oct 2021

I noticed when I worked in the hospital, a large swath of nurses were conservative.

Journeyman

(15,091 posts)
6. Wonder how many will have a change of heart come next non-payday . . .
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:02 AM
Oct 2021

and reapply for their position once they've had their vaccination.

reACTIONary

(5,841 posts)
19. Where I work, the policy explicitly forbids...
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:33 AM
Oct 2021

... rehiring anyone who was fired for not being vaxed for some long number of years. There is no real option to change your mind. When you are gone, you are gone.

GoodRaisin

(9,080 posts)
7. It would be good to find another source for the story in which the link
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:02 AM
Oct 2021

doesn’t open up a page with other links to right wing lies.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
12. 1400
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:01 AM
Oct 2021

Out of 650,000. That’s great.

Even though we see on the news and internet mostly the anti vaxxers / maskers etc. we are not the minority they are. We do not have to coddle these people. The reason we are still in a pandemic and why my employer pushed out bringing back people on site till January is because of these people. They need to be fire and ostracized for the idiocy of listening to quacks like Scott Atlas and Fox News over reputable sources.

This is very good news. Goodbye and good riddance to the 1400.

cadoman

(792 posts)
13. it's actually much better than that, 1400/76000, this was just one corporation
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:07 AM
Oct 2021

As you said, the people have spoken and it's time to get a bit more aggressive. The vast majority are pro mandate.

multigraincracker

(33,157 posts)
23. Sure hope they don't get sick with no health insurance.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:15 AM
Oct 2021

No paycheck, no health insurance. They sure owned them Libs.

MichMan

(12,234 posts)
32. Are they not eligible for the ACA exchange?
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 05:06 PM
Oct 2021

Perhaps they went on their spouses insurance or found employment in another field.

Lonestarblue

(10,714 posts)
22. Those of us who got vaccinated are tired of the holdouts.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:12 AM
Oct 2021

They deserve to lose their jobs if they’re too lazy to learn the truth. All it takes is a few minutes with Google to find information to dispel the myths about how the vaccine may be dangerous. I have no sympathy for people who would rather believe Fox News or some obscure wacko conspiracy site than the fact that millions of people have safety taken the vaccine.

I recently learned from a MAGAT that one of the reasons the MAGATs aren’t concerned about the number of Covid deaths is that they’re being told that the 700,000 US deaths are actually the total around the world and the US media is just lying about the number! I never would have thought that we have so many utterly ignorant people in this country.

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Historic NY

(37,567 posts)
28. Meanwhile the fired teachers went on a rampage...
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:49 AM
Oct 2021

right in front of the cops. Good example for children.

IronLionZion

(45,981 posts)
31. There are plenty of jobs available in healthcare
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:58 AM
Oct 2021

for anyone looking for long term career opportunities. Years ago there were a bunch of new nursing grads unable to find their first job. I doubt that is a problem these days.

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