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Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:35 PM

New York mother, son arrested in theft of Pelosi's laptop

Source: Associated Press

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — A New York mother and son have been charged with theft in aiding the disappearance of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s laptop during the Jan. 6 insurrection after the FBI initially raided a home 4,500 miles away in Alaska, looking for the computer.

The FBI on Friday arrested Maryann Mooney-Rondon, 55, and her son, Rafael Rondon, 23, of Watertown, New York, in connection with the stolen laptop, according to court documents. Both also face other charges related to the riot at the Capitol.

Rafael Rondon also faces possession of an unregistered sawed-off shotgun charge

Both appeared in federal court Friday in Syracuse, New York, and released pending further proceedings, according to a statement from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of New York.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/new-york-mother-son-arrested-in-theft-of-pelosis-laptop/2021/10/04/543f6dd6-2556-11ec-8739-5cb6aba30a30_story.html

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Reply New York mother, son arrested in theft of Pelosi's laptop (Original post)
TheProle Oct 2021 OP
Justice matters. Oct 2021 #1
SoCalDavidS Oct 2021 #6
Kingofalldems Oct 2021 #47
Pobeka Oct 2021 #2
bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #3
The Magistrate Oct 2021 #4
bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #5
ShazzieB Oct 2021 #21
thenelm1 Oct 2021 #11
Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #15
Vinnie From Indy Oct 2021 #25
Jim__ Oct 2021 #7
Traildogbob Oct 2021 #8
thenelm1 Oct 2021 #12
Traildogbob Oct 2021 #14
lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #45
cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #24
Vinnie From Indy Oct 2021 #26
Jim__ Oct 2021 #29
obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #34
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #30
marble falls Oct 2021 #9
lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #46
marble falls Oct 2021 #48
bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #10
reACTIONary Oct 2021 #16
bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #18
BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #20
getagrip_already Oct 2021 #27
BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #31
getagrip_already Oct 2021 #35
BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #36
COL Mustard Oct 2021 #33
BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #37
COL Mustard Oct 2021 #39
BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #40
COL Mustard Oct 2021 #41
BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #42
COL Mustard Oct 2021 #43
BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #44
Tumbulu Oct 2021 #13
reACTIONary Oct 2021 #17
gab13by13 Oct 2021 #22
Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #19
maxsolomon Oct 2021 #23
hibbing Oct 2021 #28
COL Mustard Oct 2021 #32
colorado_ufo Oct 2021 #38

Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:43 PM

1. Lock 'em up.

No more slaps on the wrists.

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Response to Justice matters. (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:14 PM

6. Don't Get Your Hopes Up nt

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 02:21 PM

47. Really now?

Looks like a felony from here.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:46 PM

2. If a spy was caught doing this, that spy wouldn't ever see the light of day again...

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:54 PM

4. There Have Been Several Mother And Son Teams In This, Sir

Strikes me a bit strange....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:03 PM

5. Basement Dweller Bonding

Wonder if there are dads/husbands in these homes. Seems not, or they are never mentioned. Moms subject to delusions of underground maga-worshippers.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:18 PM

21. There was at least one father-son team that I recall.

Dad was pastor of an evangelical church, and Sonny Boy was assistant pastor or something of that sort.

I'm trying to remember what state they were from, but that particular memory is refusing to be retrieved at the moment. It'll probably surface about 20 minutes after I post this.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:10 PM

11. So a lot of the Proud Boy types are just mama's boys at heart? n/t

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:24 PM

15. Yes, quite interesting. Young adult males and female parent in dependent/symbiotic relationships?

Male children not able to separate emotionally from mother?

Partners is crime.

Would be interesting to compare them to any adult male child/ male parent duos at the insurrection.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:33 PM

25. Paging Dr. Freud....

The MAGA crowd was a stew of mental illness, mania and dysfunction.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:17 PM

7. Their picture:


/photo/1

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:38 PM

8. This years X- mas card picture.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:11 PM

12. He made his binky into a hat!! n/t

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Response to thenelm1 (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:21 PM

14. Family values

Parenthood without planning.

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Response to thenelm1 (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:42 PM

45. So cuuuute!

Well, for a fucking asshole insurrectionist, you know.

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:02 PM

24. Is he a Furry? NT

 

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:35 PM

26. Is that a gas mask of some sort on his head?

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:45 AM

29. It's an escape hood which will work as a gas mask.

Apparently he is also charged with stealing that.

Escape hoods:

The escape hood is a filtering respiratory protective device for self-rescue in the event of fire and/or chemical emission accident. Sundström Safety’s escape hood are available in several variations with different filter combinations depending on expected exposure.

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:39 AM

34. He stole a Congressional escape hood

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:26 AM

30. Norman?

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:03 PM

9. Now that took some time. But they got them.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:44 PM

46. Looks like they ran pretty far to escape from the law (NY to AK)?

They should have just crossed over to Russia; they'd be at home there.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #46)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 02:39 PM

48. If they'd only made it to Palin's backyard, they could have swam it, according to her.

I was in Anchorage last month and we went blueberry picking pretty close to her home.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:06 PM

10. Any national security charges?

That's a laptop belonging to the Speaker of the House. And I thought the original charge last Feb was for a young woman from PA who tried to sell it to Russia. Or am I misremembering againsky?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:25 PM

16. You are not miss-un-remembering, or else...

... I am also. I think they are two separate incidents. The laptops were in a conference room for general use, so they were not Pelosi's personal laptop. There are probably no serious national security implications.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:39 PM

18. no serious national security implications

Or they are minor or they are not willing to admit to them. But the crime still reveals intent of some kind.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:08 PM

20. I was remembering the same thing

especially since they focused on the PA thief. From what was originally reported was that a conference room laptop had been taken (and I'm going to assume all it had was probably basic Powerpoint software on it plus anything needed to network it like some telecon software like WebEx or Adobe Connect, Zoom, etc).

The Pelosi laptop theft is new to me. They showed pics of that guy with his feet up on the desk in the Speaker's office with a computer monitor and keyboard and then I think there was a pic of him holding up a piece of her mail both inside and outside of the Capitol.





I know they have other offices in there and I think CSPAN even did a ditty on how they work it in the Capitol (vs those Congressional Office buildings) and I expect Pelosi has a different office where her staff might be vs the Speaker's Office. So it would be interesting to confirm where this other laptop actually was - the Speaker's Office or Pelosi's own regular office.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:51 PM

27. wouldn't matter... gov't computers are encrypted....

Useless to anyone except pelosi and privileged admins until the keys are shredded, which would happen quickly after it being lost.

These require an electronic key to be inserted along with pw to unlock it. The key is embedded in their id's, which open locked doors and enable them to move around the campus; they are unlikely to be left behind.

The data would be inaccessible.

Intent could be anything, but it is grand theft at a minimum and probably a violation of patriot act sections if it contained sensitive info.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:23 AM

31. I worked for the federal government for 30+ years before retiring

and yes, my agency's laptops were encrypted and access was generally limited to PIV card access through card readers that were built into the laptop... HOWEVER the contracted support personnel could access the laptop remotely if trouble-shooting was needed and with it being on the network, the IT staff routinely ran batched computer software updates across the organization (in a phased fashion) on that network.

I expect different agencies or at least all governmental entities might be using different encryption schemes/software (would probably need to be something HSPD-12 compliant because as far as I know, there is no single "Big Brother/federal government encryption software" that is the only thing that every single government computer has installed, so you have all sorts of products out there).

However that is generally the Executive Branch. One would think what Congress does would be similar but who knows how serious they are with that? They only started requiring magnetometer screening for members of the House (and only members of the House by a Rule that the GOP is still bitching about) after the January 6th insurrection, whereas most Executive Branch agencies either require magnetometer screening and PIV card use (whether through a card reader and/or showing to a contract guard) to gain access to facilities.

I know to get into my my office area, I had to use a PIV card and had a separate access card to actually get into the building itself from outside (it was a multi-agency building).

Theft of any government property - whether it is a pile of files on someone's desk or a laptop or a GOV is a serious offense in any case.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:47 AM

35. remote access, as I said, would have been disabled...

Shortly after the theft was discovered. Remote access requires the device to be onlline from a privileged account with the encryption keys.

It can easily be disabled.

Anyone except Pelosi would have to connect back to gov servers to log in, which would be disabled even to an admin. And after a couple of failed attempts offline, neither could she. If the device came online for any reason, it would be remotely detected and locked.

I really doubt ma barker and her spawn could break into it. Even russia or china would have a hard time.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #35)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:33 AM

36. The way ours worked

if they were doing "overnight" patches, was that we would log off with the machine still on. And the machines were not tied to a specific PIV - i.e., they allowed for windoze to establish the local user accounts so a login by staff to a different machine could happen.

I am not sure what special Administrator accounts were set up to be added to the images that were put on the machines (and I think the encryption stuff was done through modifications to the BIOS). But once new machines were all set up and distributed (and the IT staff did actually connect to our HQ through a special Admin account during the imaging and setup), they could be accessed remotely - apparently through connection to whatever special account was configured on the machine.

Nowhere did I say that someone actually succeeded in "breaking in" to that laptop (considering it's the first time I even heard about a "2nd laptop" ) but absent a true "hardened" laptop (and we had a few staff in our agency with them), they are not impenetrable - but obviously would be for amateurs like these two. As it is, my agency would routinely freak when someone on the road lost a laptop when a GOV was broken into.

There was an earlier issue with the original "conference room laptop" where that thief had supposedly attempted to sell it (not that there was anything on it as I noted) - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/capitol-rioter-plotted-sell-stolen-pelosi-laptop-russian-intelligence-n1254583

My issue was more with the fact that given the casual nature of our Legislative Branch when compared to the Executive Branch agencies - particularly with their offices - there is a bit of danger there more than elsewhere. You would hope that they had similar safeguards in place. But again, as we have seen with the casual nature of physical security at the Capitol with respect to members and their staff, one wonders... and obviously they are not going to come right out and reveal any exploitable loopholes. They would work on any and all corrective actions that might be needed behind the scenes.

I also just found this where Clyburn's iPad was stolen too - https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/01/08/clyburns-ipad-laptop-from-pelosis-office-items-stolen-destroyed-in-capitol-attack/?sh=5ba79a195963

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:42 AM

33. I Have A Government-Issued Laptop

I have to insert my access card and enter a PIN to unencrypt it before I can get to the menu where I have to enter a PIN to get to the main menu.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:38 AM

37. CAC card?



(I used to have to take some DOD courses where they had people login with PIV or CAC in fact, my agency used DFAS for payroll too)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:42 PM

39. Yup.

I think you've mentioned before, but what agency were you with?

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:44 PM

40. One of the HHS ones

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #40)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:03 PM

41. I Did Some Assisted Acquisition Work With Them Last Year

On a COVID task force. Interesting to see how civilian agencies are different from DoD.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #41)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:12 PM

42. Oh geez

I can imagine with the COVID-19 stuff. DOD is so logistics-oriented that the contract process is pretty expansive and dwarfs that in the civilian agencies.

I know that when HHS still had a bunch of agencies in Parklawn, the whole "3rd floor Conference level" hallway had a wall mural/display of the history of the 1918 pandemic. I guess one of these days, something like that will be replaced with the history of this current pandemic.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #42)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:04 PM

43. Not Sure If You Read The Washington Post, But An Interesting Article About Former Secretary Price

And his love of jet charters for business travel is in today's edition. Infuriating. He flew from Dulles to Philly....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/06/tom-price-hhs-charter-jets/

By Dan Diamond and Carol D. Leonnig
Today at 6:00 a.m. EDT



In April 2017, officials at the Department of Health and Human Services grappled with an urgent request: how to get Tom Price from D.C. to a conference at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Laguna Niguel, Calif., after bad weather delayed the secretary’s planned flight aboard Delta Air Lines.

“Secretary needs to go to LA today, and leave by 3 p.m.,” one travel specialist wrote in an April 6, 2017, email obtained by The Washington Post through a Freedom of Information Act request. The travel aide was seeking a colleague with access to a government purchasing card. “Do you have someone who can PCard a charter aircraft on short notice?”

Officials quickly secured a $29,000 charter flight — which also had to be scuttled, as tornadoes plagued the D.C. region. But the day’s events left a scar on Price’s top aides, who vowed that the Trump Cabinet official would never again wait on a commercial airline’s schedule, and foreshadowed a five-month travel sprint in which the health department spent $456,000 in taxpayer money on Price’s charter flights across the United States.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #43)

Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:35 PM

44. I have a subscription to WaPo

(you'll see most of my LBN OPs are from there or from the NYT)

I'll have to read that. I remember hearing all the news reports when that was happening with Price, prompting his departure (I had retired 2 weeks after the 2017 inauguration before he came in ).

But you might also recall what happened with Ben Carson and "furniture-gate" - https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/03/01/did-hud-really-need-spend-31-000-taxpayer-money-dining-furniture-ben-carson/384204002/

In our office, the procurement folks who ordered furniture had specific dollar limits and catalogs for a few GSA-approved places to get it from (often Staples ). Even with that, I know I had an old modular desk/bookcase unit and had to make due with it because there was never any money to replace it. I was just glad that the drawers weren't broken and at least had keys, and the mechanism for the sash that pulled down over the bookcase still worked.

I know every year we had to take "Ethics" training and the fear of every deity under the sun was put on us about procurements, "gifts", use of government credit cards and GOVs, and anything that could be considered "unethical", with all sorts of 5CFR citations to underscore it.

The previous administration truly believed that the federal government was nothing more than a "private business" and they acted as if it were one... and sadly in many cases, got away with it.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:14 PM

13. Released?!!!!!!

I am so disheartened by the way the system is ignoring the monstrosity of the players large and small in this insurrection. And attempted coup.

What am I missing? How can our realities be so very different?

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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:35 PM

17. They have been charged with other crimes, so they are ...

.... probably out on bail, though the article doesn't say that. According to the article, they seem to have helped someone else steal the laptop; they didn't run off with it themselves.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:21 PM

22. Funny how a judge, today,

just gave a harsher sentence to an insurrectionist than our DOJ prosecutors asked for. The judge even commented that an assault on our democracy deserves more than being locked up at home.

No wonder people question our DOJ.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:49 PM

19. Now these traitors better get decades in prison

No snap on the wrist. Give them 25 years.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:57 PM

23. Only a pawn in their game.

These dupes will suffer real consequences and Trump will die on a golden toilet.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:52 PM

28. Hope they can handle conditions of probation n/t

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:40 AM

32. Well, That's A New Twist On "Bring Your Kids To Work Day"

What a family event that turns out to have been!!!

Now charge them with felonies and don't plead them down. Let them lose their precious right to bear arms, along with their right to vote and to ever work for the Government.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:14 PM

38. That's some messed up sh_t.

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