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shotten99

(622 posts)
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 01:12 PM Sep 2021

4th Wisconsin voter out of 3 million charged with fraud

Source: Yahoo News

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A fourth Wisconsin voter out of roughly 3 million who cast ballots in the 2020 presidential election was charged with election fraud on Thursday by a Republican prosecutor who is running for attorney general.

Fond du Lac District Attorney Eric Toney said the charge alleging that a felon voted illegally does not mean that the election won by President Joe Biden was stolen. The criminal complaint does not identify whether the person charged is a Republican or Democrat or who he voted for in the presidential election.

“But elections are the cornerstone of our democracy and the integrity of our electoral process must be protected at every turn," Toney said in a statement. “We will continue to prosecute any circumstances of voter fraud, as allowed by law, in order to safeguard our electoral process and ensure the public has confidence in our elections.”

Wisconsin Republicans, fueled by anger and the lie that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from former President Donald Trump, have ordered two separate investigations in the battleground state Biden won by fewer than 21,000 votes. One is underway by the nonpartisan Legislative Audit Bureau. The other was ordered by Assembly Speaker Robin Vos and is being led by former conservative Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Michael Gableman.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/3rd-wisconsin-voter-3-million-200927985.html

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4th Wisconsin voter out of 3 million charged with fraud (Original Post) shotten99 Sep 2021 OP
Except Republicans believe every non-white person is a felon. LonePirate Sep 2021 #1
Republicans ruining WI since 2008 LakeArenal Sep 2021 #2
A fact! StClone Sep 2021 #12
The question "journalists" must ask republicans is: Escurumbele Sep 2021 #3
Republicans Rule, never Govern StClone Sep 2021 #13
To a moronic Deplorable 4 out of 3 million must sound like a lot. NoMoreRepugs Sep 2021 #4
This was a mistake by the election workers, not fraud. SunSeeker Sep 2021 #5
True. sybylla Sep 2021 #16
Yes, it's a training issue. Requiring people to register in advance won't solve it. SunSeeker Sep 2021 #20
I didn't say anything about "requiring" people to register early. sybylla Sep 2021 #21
Registering early would not have caught that if another poorly trained worker handled it. SunSeeker Sep 2021 #22
This is Wisconsin, not effing Texas. sybylla Sep 2021 #23
No state is quite like Texas. But all states can make mistakes due to poor training. SunSeeker Sep 2021 #24
I'd bet that all four were Republicans trying to cheat for Trump lees1975 Sep 2021 #6
.00013% fraud Monsieur_Grumpe Sep 2021 #7
Missing a few zeros -- it's 0.0000013% . . . Journeyman Sep 2021 #9
And some of those 4 are mistakes NOT fraud. StClone Sep 2021 #10
Pretty sure that the fraction is .0000013 Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #15
"Legislative Audit Bureau" BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #8
Republicans careful your tax money?-F'n NO! StClone Sep 2021 #11
That's all they know how to do BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #14
Hold your breath. Repugs are digging deep for 5th!! riversedge Sep 2021 #17
Ohhhhhh, three whole cases!! I wonder what his murder backlog is looking like? marble falls Sep 2021 #18
How stupid do they have to be to not realize SouthernDem4ever Sep 2021 #19

Escurumbele

(3,340 posts)
3. The question "journalists" must ask republicans is:
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 01:22 PM
Sep 2021

With all the time the republican party spends trying to find voter fraud, changing the rules for voting, creating repressive laws against women, fighting the "January 6 Commission", running behind trump...when do you get a chance to govern to help your constituents and the country when you know all these efforts about voter fraud, etc. do not bring positive results, it is only an effort to underestimate our Democracy? So when do you work to bring positive changes to the country?

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
5. This was a mistake by the election workers, not fraud.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 01:42 PM
Sep 2021

From the article:

Holz said he told election workers he was on probation and doesn't know why they let him vote if he wasn't allowed to, the complaint said.

“Holz stated he wished he had called his probation agent to determine if he was eligible to vote,” the complaint said.

sybylla

(8,461 posts)
16. True.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 04:21 PM
Sep 2021

It is a big training issue. This is why registering to vote in advance of election day helps. If you can't vote, the state will tell you and/or the election day staff that you cannot vote.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
20. Yes, it's a training issue. Requiring people to register in advance won't solve it.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 03:51 AM
Sep 2021

And it is so easy to catch after the fact. There no reason to disallow same day registration for this.

sybylla

(8,461 posts)
21. I didn't say anything about "requiring" people to register early.
Mon Sep 27, 2021, 03:34 PM
Sep 2021

I said that registering early would have caught that - this person who didn't know if they could vote would have been told in advance and not had to rely upon the accuracy of the local poll workers.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
22. Registering early would not have caught that if another poorly trained worker handled it.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:30 AM
Sep 2021

There is the case of Rosa Maria Ortega, a legal permanent resident who was living in Tarrant County, Texas, who was convicted of voter fraud after registering to vote despite not being a citizen. The registration workers did not catch it. Ortega — who did not realize her immigration status meant she was ineligible — cast ballots that counted in several elections. Her improper voting was discovered after the fact and she was sentenced to eight years in prison in 2017 and granted parole in 2019. Because of her felony record, Ortega was thereafter ordered deported.

So early registration obviously will not prevent all of these issues. The people handling early registration do not appear to be trained any better than the poll workers, so they make similar mistakes.

BTW, the ballots that led to Ortega's imprisonment were actually cast for Republicans. In 2012, Ortega voted for presidential candidate Mitt Romney in the general election, and in 2014, she voted for Texas attorney general candidate Ken Paxton, who won – and prosecuted her for illegal voting! https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4798922002

sybylla

(8,461 posts)
23. This is Wisconsin, not effing Texas.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 10:26 PM
Sep 2021

WE are not the same. To assume any one state is just like any other is a huge mistake.

IN WISCONSIN, early registrations are verified at the state level through drivers license/WI ID and other government databases, including databases containing the names of those who are on probation and parole who do not qualify to vote yet. In fact, as a poll worker myself who has registered more than a thousand people to vote in the last 12 years both on election day and prior to that in registration drives, I can state this unequivocally for you.

Had this person registered more than 2 weeks in advance of election day, they - or the poll workers - would have been clearly informed of their ineligibility to vote.

My hope is that this person will be given credit in the judicial system for having asked and having been given inaccurate information.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
24. No state is quite like Texas. But all states can make mistakes due to poor training.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 04:23 AM
Sep 2021

And as you noted above, that Wisconsin poll worker was poorly trained. Registrars can screw things up too. Texas verifies registrations against state databases too. As far as I am aware, all states do. There is no guarantee what happened in Texas could not happen in Wisconsin or anywhere else.

Like you, I also hope this person is given leniency, since it really was the state's mistake. However, like Texas, Wisconsin has some pretty shitty judges, although not as many as Texas! Here's hoping...

lees1975

(3,718 posts)
6. I'd bet that all four were Republicans trying to cheat for Trump
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 01:50 PM
Sep 2021

though the article doesn't specifically state. But they fit the profile.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
15. Pretty sure that the fraction is .0000013
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 04:14 PM
Sep 2021

which is .00013%.

Unless I'm totally brainfarting on how percentages work somehow

BumRushDaShow

(127,255 posts)
8. "Legislative Audit Bureau"
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 02:18 PM
Sep 2021

This must have been an ALEC-drafted piece of legislation because they tried to create such a ridiculous 'Bureau" here in PA but fortunately that mess was vetoed in the GOP-majority state legislature's bill by the (D) Governor (and they don't have enough to override) -

Wolf vetoes GOP bill with voter ID, other elections changes

By MARK SCOLFORO June 30, 2021

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Pennsylvania’s Democratic governor vetoed a Republican-crafted elections bill Wednesday, a proposal that would have mandated voter identification in all elections and made a host of other changes to election law. Gov. Tom Wolf said outside his Capitol offices that he considers the measure a voter suppression effort.

“I think voter suppression is absolutely the wrong thing to do,” Wolf said, adding that he would welcome a narrower bill that would give counties more time to start counting ballots and to provide more money to help them run elections. The Republican elections bill, developed in large part in response to some GOP voters’ anger over President Donald Trump’s reelection loss, would have changed registration deadlines from 15 days to 30 days prior to an election. Mail-in voters would have had an earlier deadline to request ballots.

(snip)

Wolf also used his line-item veto authority to eliminate $3.1 million in funding in separate budget legislation after Republican lawmakers claimed that it had been earmarked to create an election-auditing bureau under the independently elected auditor general.

Wolf had said there was no such agreement to use the money for an election-auditing bureau, which would have broad authority to subpoena materials and review elections.

https://apnews.com/article/pa-state-wire-business-bills-elections-government-and-politics-8400bdb8742fe7a04b3b469c7136b498

StClone

(11,676 posts)
11. Republicans careful your tax money?-F'n NO!
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 03:14 PM
Sep 2021

All these fake, useless, pointless, politicized, weaponized witch hunts are costing-WASTING-precious time, resources, and personnel!

BumRushDaShow

(127,255 posts)
14. That's all they know how to do
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 03:22 PM
Sep 2021

throw stuff around to "gum up the process". And then when they are "in charge", well... we saw the result the past 4 years (and the U.S. became their piggy bank while also vacuuming up all the intel to sell to get more $$$).

SouthernDem4ever

(6,450 posts)
19. How stupid do they have to be to not realize
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:30 PM
Sep 2021

we wanted trump out!! It wasn't an accident that Biden won. More of us wanted that slimy, con-man, orange buffoon out. There is more of us than his whacked out idiot supporters.

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