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Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:11 PM

White House says images of Border Patrol with apparent whip are 'obviously horrific'

Source: NBC

White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Monday called pictures that appeared to show a U.S. Border Patrol agent on horseback with a whip to deter migrants "horrific," but declined to say what consequences there should be for the agent's actions.

"I have seen some of the footage. I don't have the full context. I can't imagine what context would make that appropriate, but I don't have additional details," she told reporters at the daily White House briefing. "I don't think anyone seeing that footage would think it's acceptable or appropriate."

A picture by photographer Paul Ratje showed the agent on horseback grabbing one of the migrants as the man tried to cross into the United States from Ciudad Acuņa, Mexico, on Sunday. The El Paso Times reported the agent had swung his whip and charged his horse at people trying to cross, shouting, "Let's go! Get out now! Back to Mexico!"



Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-says-images-border-patrol-whip-obviously-horrific-n1279663

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Reply White House says images of Border Patrol with apparent whip are 'obviously horrific' (Original post)
TheProle Sep 20 OP
Mr. Evil Sep 20 #1
I_UndergroundPanther Sep 20 #2
secondwind Sep 20 #10
abqtommy Sep 20 #3
madaboutharry Sep 20 #4
Evolve Dammit Sep 20 #5
drray23 Sep 20 #6
AZLD4Candidate Sep 21 #31
slightlv Sep 20 #7
MustLoveBeagles Sep 20 #8
NickB79 Sep 20 #9
Steelrolled Sep 20 #11
riversedge Sep 20 #12
theophilus Sep 20 #14
hamsterjill Sep 20 #15
ChazInAz Sep 21 #38
AZLD4Candidate Sep 21 #25
sybylla Sep 21 #32
33taw Sep 20 #13
Post removed Sep 20 #16
AZLD4Candidate Sep 21 #27
joetheman Sep 20 #17
walkingman Sep 20 #18
gipper66 Sep 20 #19
AZLD4Candidate Sep 21 #28
Blue Owl Sep 21 #20
sarisataka Sep 21 #33
Sapient Donkey Sep 21 #21
JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 21 #22
Sapient Donkey Sep 21 #35
AZLD4Candidate Sep 21 #29
Sapient Donkey Sep 21 #36
Cobalt Violet Sep 21 #23
AZLD4Candidate Sep 21 #30
AZLD4Candidate Sep 21 #24
AZLD4Candidate Sep 21 #26
Bayard Sep 21 #34
ForgoTheConsequence Sep 21 #37
Marthe48 Sep 21 #39

Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:25 PM

1. If "horrific" is in the description,

he should be immediately fired!

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:27 PM

2. The horse rider

With a whip seems very racist to me. Since that whip is being used against
Haitian black people .

Didn't a significant amount of the slave trade sell captive Haitians as slaves?

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 08:59 PM

10. His facial expressions are god-awful... he shouldn't be in this job.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:42 PM

3. Looks like we should be deporting the Border Patrol to Haiti instead of

Haitians!

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:46 PM

4. The Border Agent looked like he was really into it!

So absolutely despicable. Right out of 1860.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:51 PM

5. Must be a 45 supporter; sharp black walls to burn/tear skin. check. Whips? Yeah, sure. Great.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 08:11 PM

6. it's not really surprising.

the cbp is infected with racists who got emboldened during the Trump era. I believe the Biden administration has yet to remove some of the Trump appointees over there.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:15 AM

31. Look at the CBP did to my wife went she tried to "legally" immigrant here to get her Green Card

through adjustment of status so she could be with her American citizen husband of seven years and raise our family here.

The CBP protected us from a 31 year old kindergarten teacher.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 08:28 PM

7. I'm sorry...

but the first thing I thought of were all the Afghan civilians we "did not" kill then... oops... yes, we did kill...

We have got to strip out these Trump and other racist thugs from every department. They're not doing us any good. Either we ARE for Humanitarian rights are we are NOT. Make up your mind Democrats, and stick to it. Republicans have made up their minds, and everyone knows where they stand. Now, make up yours and let us know where YOU stand. Immigration CAN be done humanely. You don't have to flay skin and rope necks to do it. I'm still p'o'd about the screw up in Afghanistan, and then the abortion mess in TX, and now THIS? It's putting me over the edge with a party I thought I knew...

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 08:34 PM

8. That asshole should be fired

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 08:38 PM

9. In 20 yr this will seem mild

Once millions of climate refugees start moving north to escape societal collapse from heatwaves, droughts and crop failures, I figure we'll be enforcing our border security with machine guns and drones instead of whips and horses.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 09:50 PM

11. This is the face of America to the world.

Not that the Europeans are especially welcoming these days either.

I think the word will come down - hey guys, less whip!

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 10:09 PM

12. ... suggested it was possible the agent was simply holding a long rein.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-says-images-border-patrol-whip-obviously-horrific-n1279663
..............Homeland Security head Alejandro Mayorkas was also asked about the photo while visiting Del Rio, Texas, where more than 15,000 mostly Haitian migrants have converged on a border bridge. He said the reporter who asked him about the whip was "assuming the facts," and suggested it was possible the agent was simply holding a long rein.


"To ensure control of the horse, long reins are used but we are going to investigate the facts to ensure that the situation is as we understand it to be and if it's anything different, we will respond accordingly," he said.

The Homeland Security secretary was joined by Border Patrol Chief Raul Ortiz, who defended his agency's use of horses, saying they "play an integral part in the security response."

"We do not know who are the smugglers or who are the migrants, so it's important that those border patrol agents maintain a level of security for both themselves and for the migrant population as they were trafficking back and forth," Ortiz said.

As for the possibility an agent was using a whip, he said, "We'll certainly look into the matter to make sure we do not have activity" that is "unacceptable."

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Response to riversedge (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 10:43 PM

14. Unless there is more to the clip it is definitely a rein. Bad look, but not a whip unless there is

more. We need to stick to the facts. This whole episode is being used to hurt the JRB administration and it should not be used in such a way. This is an incredibly complex problem that is going to take a long time to solve. Hypocrisy is definitely at play from the Right, as well.

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Response to theophilus (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

15. It is a split rein.

Albeit one that is way too long. It is not a whip.

Not condoning anything. But you are correct in that we need to stick to the facts. This is bad enough without it being embellished.

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Response to theophilus (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 06:51 PM

38. Long reins.

Reins that length are intended to be used as whips, to lash the horse when it misbehaves and to control cattle.
When working as a film extra in Tucson, I had a cowboy teach me to ride, and that was one of the lessons.
I don't care much for riding.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:42 AM

25. And the excuses and justifications begin.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:33 AM

32. As someone who was whipped with a belt as a child

I can tell you there's not much difference physically and psychologically in how it feels. WTF people.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 10:15 PM

13. Was this acceptable to his supervising officer?

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Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:52 AM

27. Spoken like someone who has never had interaction with CBP or the Border Patrol

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 11:11 PM

17. They have clear footage of the culprits. Arrest [email protected] nt

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 11:12 PM

18. They need to fire everyone using a whip - pronto.

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Response to walkingman (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 11:21 PM

19. Fire them immediately

For using reins instead of holding onto the horses mane!

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Response to walkingman (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:06 AM

28. This is the plank for my campaign when asked about Border Patrol in my border district

"It is a federal issue I can nothing about when I get to Phoenix except advocate a 50 year hiring freeze"

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 12:17 AM

20. FF45's Nazi Fucks

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:53 AM

33. That is a lovely fiction

We can tell ourselves but there is someone else in the White House now and he removed the Border Patrol chief back in June.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 01:49 AM

21. Was it a whip or rein?

Either way, I wonder who thought sending mounted agents to handle that was a good idea. They had to have known that it wouldn't looked good, and the past images it would bring to mind.

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Response to Sapient Donkey (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 05:13 AM

22. It's a rein until someone is whipped with it.

A rein across the face can be convincing.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 01:53 PM

35. Is there video of people being whipped?

I must not have seen the video of that.

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Response to Sapient Donkey (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:07 AM

29. My gun nut brother does this. It is a weapon or an assault rifle.

Who cares? It was used in a mass shooting.

Same thing here.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 01:57 PM

36. I think there is a bit of a difference

The videos I've seen didn't show anyone getting whipped and the complaints were that they had whips. There is a possibility I haven't see videos where they were whipping people with them, though. I'll have to dig through the videos some more to see if I can find ones that show them being used as a whip. If that's the case then I will take your point of "Who cares?"

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 09:22 AM

23. I'm sick of no consequences for this barbarism.

Fuck this country.

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:08 AM

30. In my district, the BP kicks over water left by the Tohono o'Odham for migrants

And racially profiles them as well.

I had to calm one of my students down because the BP threatened to detain him and his entire family because "you have a bad attitude."

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:41 AM

24. And people wonder why I know the reason my wife's green card app was rejected for no reason

CBP and the Border Patrol have NO oversight and less accountability. They can do whatever they want.

And all they do is reinforce xenophobia.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:45 AM

26. Listen to this hubris

In a statement Monday night, the Department of Homeland Security said the agency "does not tolerate the abuse of migrants in our custody and we take these allegations very seriously."


Yet, locking my wife in a room with just a ratty mattress, taking her cell phone so she couldn't contact her family in China, her embassy, or her husband, subjecting her to anti-Chinese bigotry, and allowing her two 15 minute breaks to use the bathroom outside the room, since the one in the room was "disgusting" as she put it, in SEATAC airport is acceptable to DHS.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 12:33 PM

34. I don't think its a whip

Some Western riders have ridiculously long reins to be able to whack the horse's rump to go faster. You don't see a whip handle. But still, totally wrong. TFG holdover, that do not see migrants as people.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 05:44 PM

37. One agent was overheard calling Haiti a shithole country.

We need action now. No defending this.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 08:14 PM

39. and the r's have the crust to blame Pres. Biden for the humanitarian crisis

at the border? CBS radio led their 8 pm brief with abbott blathering about this being President Biden's fault.

Who hired the beasts on horseback? The only thing I blame Mr. Biden's administration for is that Homeland security didn't immediately do background checks on all of current employees and dismiss any that had sketchy backgrounds or incidents on their job evaluations.

abbortt and the other r's blaming Mr. Biden can go to hell.

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