Biden bombs with Manchin

[SouthBayDem]

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Source: Axios

President Biden failed to persuade Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to agree to spending $3.5 trillion on the Democrats' budget reconciliation package during their Oval Office meeting on Wednesday, people familiar with the matter tell Axios.

Why it matters: Defying a president from his own party — face-to-face — is the strongest indication yet Manchin is serious about cutting specific programs and limiting the price tag of any potential bill to $1.5 trillion. His insistence could blow up the deal for progressives and others.

Axios was told Biden explained to Manchin his opposition could imperil the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill that's already passed the Senate. Biden's analysis did little to persuade Manchin to raise his top line.

Manchin held his position and appears willing to let the bipartisan bill hang in the balance, given his entrenched opposition to many of the specific proposals in the $3.5 trillion spending package, Axios was told.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/scoop-biden-bombs-manchin-b2b4acbd-24d0-40a3-ba6f-c0509e0e0224.html

[msongs]

1. not LBN. opinion and analysis IMO nt

[brooklynite]

7. A report on what Biden and Manchin discussed isn't LBN? Wierd.

[msongs]

10. "why it matters" is opinion and anlaysis and it contains no statement from manchin/biden

verifying it actually happened nt

[brooklynite]

13. I don't care about "why it matters"...

A factual story about a meeting between the President and a senior Senator over a major policy disagreement seems significant to me.

[msongs]

18. why it matters makes it opinion and or analysis nt

[groundloop]

17. Your concern is noted.

[stillcool]

2. someone said something about someone

[sinkingfeeling]

3. Guess Joe was too nice and didn't threaten to sic the DOJ

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on Manchin's daughter.

[brooklynite]

9. Using the DOJ to go after political opponents seems very.....Trumpian

But maybe that's just me.

[sinkingfeeling]

21. Manchin is supposed to be a Democrat. I believe most presidents have used bribes and threats to

get their party in line for votes.

[brooklynite]

22. Dangling criminal prosecution seems a tad different.

So does ignoring criminal prosecution as long as he's on "our" side.

[reACTIONary]

36. +100 nt

[Moebym]

4. Oh, it's Axios.

Like The Hill and Politico, it is as much a purveyor of juicy Washington DC gossip as it is a source of actual news.

[brooklynite]

14. A political blog reports about a development in politics.

When will the madness end!!!

[left-of-center2012]

16. Don't shoot the messenger

Axios, The Hill, and Politico source a lot of threads on DU.

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[Moebym]

24. I take it you haven't gone to The Hill's YouTube channel, then.

Just a small selection of their video uploads, all with thumbnails and titles that would make the National Enquirer and other tabloid rags blush with envy:

- "Nicki Minaj HITS BACK At MSM Over Vaccine Comments, CALLS OUT White House for LYING About Invitation"

- "Krystal Ball: In Leaked Audio Biden CAUGHT Admitting He Won't Do Anything as President"

- "Krystal Ball: Bill Gates is LYING TO YOU On Vaccine Patent Protection"

- "Rose McGowan BLASTS Oprah support of 'SICK power structure' by associating with Weinstein, Simmons"

- "Kim Iversen: Newsom's 'Virtue Signal' Mandates, Israel Cases SPIKE as Country Requires THIRD Jab"

- "Harvard Scientist: GALILEO Project Proves Humans Can NO LONGER Ignore Possible ALIEN Existence"

- "Katie Halper: Obama Scales Back 60th Birthday Bash After Backlash; Twitter FAWNS Over Fmr Prez"

- "JUST IN: Dan Crenshaw TORCHES Pelosi in blistering House speech"

- "State Dept. SCRUBS Data on Military Weapons ABANDONED in Afghanistan From Official Websites"

I don't know about anyone else here, but this doesn't exactly scream "respectable" or "unbiased" to me.

[Fiendish Thingy]

29. BS- the Hill and Politico are both right leaning. Nt

[mopinko]

32. they're both shit stirrers.

they do the rw work for them.
therefore- yeah, rw.

[pwb]

5. When we do this without Manchin he will

be kicked to the curb and rightfully IMO.

[jimfields33]

23. How? Which republican will vote with us?

[pwb]

40. 2022 election 20 pukes are up for reelection.

I think we will take a few of those. Then Manchin can fuck off was my point.

[ColinC]

6. I'll be happy if Manchin gets voting rights passed

I would forgive him for this if he actually makes good on passing voting rights, however way he does it. Hopefully regardless, we could actually gain seats next year.

[LonePirate]

8. Biden needs to appoint Collins or Toomey to an ambassadorship and tell Manchin to go fuck himself.

[tonekat]

12. I like your thinking.

That sounds quite clever. I would love some maneuver to cut Manchin's power off at the knees.

[Magoo48]

41. Yes, release the hounds, unchain the Kraken, enlist the ghost of LBJ. Do Something Dems.

Don’t consider all options. Roll the fucking dice. Use all options.
Learn a Hakka Chant; gather and do it on the steps of Congress.
WTF, over.

[Beakybird]

11. Shit! 😡😰

[DarthDem]

15. Not LBN

Mods, please move or delete.

[littlemissmartypants]

30. We don't have mods, we have juries. If you want to have a post locked, as in this case...

You have to alert on it. Then the hosts/jury members form a jury and discuss the post and vote whether or not to lock it. At least that's how it was explained to me earlier this week when I sent DU mail to hosts of LBN.

Please don't shoot the messenger.

❤pants

[JudyM]

31. SOP violation alerts go to the forum hosts

Most other alerts are juried, though.

[littlemissmartypants]

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[JudyM]

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[littlemissmartypants]

35. Thank you. ❤

[blm]

19. I think it's dumb for WH to PUBLICIZE meetings

like this beforehand. It is more prudent to have private, unpublicized meetings with stubborn types.

OTOH,it would be SMART to set up cameras in a meeting room where moderate lawmakers from both parties attend alongside the 15 Nobel economists who can talk to them in great detail why the larger bill is necessary for a successful economy.

Seriously, why not arrange meetings like that? And televise them.

[multigraincracker]

20. From MSN.com....

"Democratic Sens. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin of West Virginia are not adequately committed to the progressive cause, so liberal activists are beginning their effort to unseat them."

Their action may be remembered in November, 2024.

[monkeyman1]

25. their both like a bad case of std's , hard to get rid of !

[groundloop]

26. The sad truth is that Manchin will only be unseated by a GQPer.

At the moment he and Sinema are the traffic cops that can decide what legislation can be passed in the Senate, and we're stuck with it until we can flip some Senate seats.

[Steelrolled]

27. A politician's number one goal is to get re-elected.

I always read stories like this one with that in mind.

[Baitball Blogger]

28. Which Republican can we depend on?

[Donkees]

37. One more meeting scheduled...

[Harker]

38. Alternate headline... Manchin bombs with Democrats.

This guy's fifteen minutes should have been up ages ago.

[twodogsbarking]

39. DINO

[Spazito]

42. *LOCKING*

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