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Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:48 PM

Biden bombs with Manchin

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Source: Axios

President Biden failed to persuade Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to agree to spending $3.5 trillion on the Democrats' budget reconciliation package during their Oval Office meeting on Wednesday, people familiar with the matter tell Axios.

Why it matters: Defying a president from his own party — face-to-face — is the strongest indication yet Manchin is serious about cutting specific programs and limiting the price tag of any potential bill to $1.5 trillion. His insistence could blow up the deal for progressives and others.

Axios was told Biden explained to Manchin his opposition could imperil the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill that's already passed the Senate. Biden's analysis did little to persuade Manchin to raise his top line.

Manchin held his position and appears willing to let the bipartisan bill hang in the balance, given his entrenched opposition to many of the specific proposals in the $3.5 trillion spending package, Axios was told.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/scoop-biden-bombs-manchin-b2b4acbd-24d0-40a3-ba6f-c0509e0e0224.html

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Reply Biden bombs with Manchin (Original post)
SouthBayDem Sep 16 OP
msongs Sep 16 #1
brooklynite Sep 16 #7
msongs Sep 16 #10
brooklynite Sep 16 #13
msongs Sep 16 #18
groundloop Sep 16 #17
stillcool Sep 16 #2
sinkingfeeling Sep 16 #3
brooklynite Sep 16 #9
sinkingfeeling Sep 16 #21
brooklynite Sep 16 #22
reACTIONary Sep 17 #36
Moebym Sep 16 #4
brooklynite Sep 16 #14
left-of-center2012 Sep 16 #16
Moebym Sep 16 #24
Fiendish Thingy Sep 16 #29
mopinko Sep 17 #32
pwb Sep 16 #5
jimfields33 Sep 16 #23
pwb Sep 17 #40
ColinC Sep 16 #6
LonePirate Sep 16 #8
tonekat Sep 16 #12
Magoo48 Sep 17 #41
Beakybird Sep 16 #11
DarthDem Sep 16 #15
littlemissmartypants Sep 16 #30
JudyM Sep 17 #31
littlemissmartypants Sep 17 #33
JudyM Sep 17 #34
littlemissmartypants Sep 17 #35
blm Sep 16 #19
multigraincracker Sep 16 #20
monkeyman1 Sep 16 #25
groundloop Sep 16 #26
Steelrolled Sep 16 #27
Baitball Blogger Sep 16 #28
Donkees Sep 17 #37
Harker Sep 17 #38
twodogsbarking Sep 17 #39
Spazito Sep 17 #42

Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:51 PM

1. not LBN. opinion and analysis IMO nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:05 PM

7. A report on what Biden and Manchin discussed isn't LBN? Wierd.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:08 PM

10. "why it matters" is opinion and anlaysis and it contains no statement from manchin/biden

verifying it actually happened nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:10 PM

13. I don't care about "why it matters"...

A factual story about a meeting between the President and a senior Senator over a major policy disagreement seems significant to me.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:19 PM

18. why it matters makes it opinion and or analysis nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:16 PM

17. Your concern is noted.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:53 PM

2. someone said something about someone

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:54 PM

3. Guess Joe was too nice and didn't threaten to sic the DOJ

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on Manchin's daughter.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:07 PM

9. Using the DOJ to go after political opponents seems very.....Trumpian

But maybe that's just me.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:32 PM

21. Manchin is supposed to be a Democrat. I believe most presidents have used bribes and threats to

get their party in line for votes.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #21)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:33 PM

22. Dangling criminal prosecution seems a tad different.

So does ignoring criminal prosecution as long as he's on "our" side.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #22)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:00 AM

36. +100 nt

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:56 PM

4. Oh, it's Axios.

Like The Hill and Politico, it is as much a purveyor of juicy Washington DC gossip as it is a source of actual news.

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Response to Moebym (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:11 PM

14. A political blog reports about a development in politics.

When will the madness end!!!

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Response to Moebym (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:14 PM

16. Don't shoot the messenger

Axios, The Hill, and Politico source a lot of threads on DU.

Media Bias/Fact Check rates Axios:

“Overall, we rate Axios just Left of Center biased based on story selection that slightly favors the left. They are High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and zero failed fact checks.”

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“The Hill covers both sides on the political spectrum and generally sources information properly. All news stories are sourced from either journalists in the field or credible media sources.”

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“These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation.”

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:56 PM

24. I take it you haven't gone to The Hill's YouTube channel, then.

Just a small selection of their video uploads, all with thumbnails and titles that would make the National Enquirer and other tabloid rags blush with envy:

- "Nicki Minaj HITS BACK At MSM Over Vaccine Comments, CALLS OUT White House for LYING About Invitation"

- "Krystal Ball: In Leaked Audio Biden CAUGHT Admitting He Won't Do Anything as President"

- "Krystal Ball: Bill Gates is LYING TO YOU On Vaccine Patent Protection"

- "Rose McGowan BLASTS Oprah support of 'SICK power structure' by associating with Weinstein, Simmons"

- "Kim Iversen: Newsom's 'Virtue Signal' Mandates, Israel Cases SPIKE as Country Requires THIRD Jab"

- "Harvard Scientist: GALILEO Project Proves Humans Can NO LONGER Ignore Possible ALIEN Existence"

- "Katie Halper: Obama Scales Back 60th Birthday Bash After Backlash; Twitter FAWNS Over Fmr Prez"

- "JUST IN: Dan Crenshaw TORCHES Pelosi in blistering House speech"

- "State Dept. SCRUBS Data on Military Weapons ABANDONED in Afghanistan From Official Websites"

I don't know about anyone else here, but this doesn't exactly scream "respectable" or "unbiased" to me.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #16)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:37 PM

29. BS- the Hill and Politico are both right leaning. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #29)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:09 AM

32. they're both shit stirrers.

they do the rw work for them.
therefore- yeah, rw.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:01 PM

5. When we do this without Manchin he will

be kicked to the curb and rightfully IMO.

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Response to pwb (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:44 PM

23. How? Which republican will vote with us?

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:55 AM

40. 2022 election 20 pukes are up for reelection.

I think we will take a few of those. Then Manchin can fuck off was my point.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:01 PM

6. I'll be happy if Manchin gets voting rights passed

I would forgive him for this if he actually makes good on passing voting rights, however way he does it. Hopefully regardless, we could actually gain seats next year.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:05 PM

8. Biden needs to appoint Collins or Toomey to an ambassadorship and tell Manchin to go fuck himself.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:09 PM

12. I like your thinking.

That sounds quite clever. I would love some maneuver to cut Manchin's power off at the knees.

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Response to tonekat (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:10 AM

41. Yes, release the hounds, unchain the Kraken, enlist the ghost of LBJ. Do Something Dems.

Don’t consider all options. Roll the fucking dice. Use all options.
Learn a Hakka Chant; gather and do it on the steps of Congress.
WTF, over.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:09 PM

11. Shit! 😡😰

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:12 PM

15. Not LBN


Mods, please move or delete.

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Response to DarthDem (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:40 PM

30. We don't have mods, we have juries. If you want to have a post locked, as in this case...

You have to alert on it. Then the hosts/jury members form a jury and discuss the post and vote whether or not to lock it. At least that's how it was explained to me earlier this week when I sent DU mail to hosts of LBN.

Please don't shoot the messenger.

❤pants

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #30)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:13 AM

31. SOP violation alerts go to the forum hosts

Most other alerts are juried, though.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:27 AM

33. Remind me what SOP means. I have been really addled lately and I can't keep up. TIA ❤

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #33)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:30 AM

34. Statement of Purpose

SOPs are found in the “about this forum” tab for any forum.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:36 AM

35. Thank you. ❤

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:23 PM

19. I think it's dumb for WH to PUBLICIZE meetings

like this beforehand. It is more prudent to have private, unpublicized meetings with stubborn types.

OTOH,it would be SMART to set up cameras in a meeting room where moderate lawmakers from both parties attend alongside the 15 Nobel economists who can talk to them in great detail why the larger bill is necessary for a successful economy.

Seriously, why not arrange meetings like that? And televise them.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:25 PM

20. From MSN.com....

"Democratic Sens. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin of West Virginia are not adequately committed to the progressive cause, so liberal activists are beginning their effort to unseat them."

Their action may be remembered in November, 2024.

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:59 PM

25. their both like a bad case of std's , hard to get rid of !

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:02 PM

26. The sad truth is that Manchin will only be unseated by a GQPer.

At the moment he and Sinema are the traffic cops that can decide what legislation can be passed in the Senate, and we're stuck with it until we can flip some Senate seats.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:04 PM

27. A politician's number one goal is to get re-elected.

I always read stories like this one with that in mind.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:25 PM

28. Which Republican can we depend on?

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:11 AM

37. One more meeting scheduled...

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:13 AM

38. Alternate headline... Manchin bombs with Democrats.

This guy's fifteen minutes should have been up ages ago.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:35 AM

39. DINO

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:47 AM

42. *LOCKING*

Host consensus is this OP doesn't meet the criteria in the SOP for this forum:

Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. No analysis or opinion pieces.

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