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Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:55 PM

Manchin puts foot down on key climate provision in spending bill

Source: The Hill

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is throwing a wrench into Democratic plans for major government spending to tackle climate change.

In TV interviews over the weekend, the senator said he wouldn't back the party's $3.5 trillion spending proposal, adding that he doesn't support a program that would pay power providers to make the shift toward clean energy.

The so-called clean electricity payment program, a central component of the party's climate agenda, could be in jeopardy unless Democrats find a way to sell it to the key swing vote senator.

Manchin argued in a CNN interview that paying for a transition to clean energy isn't necessary since cleaner sources already make up a growing share of the country's electricity consumption.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manchin-puts-foot-down-on-key-climate-provision-in-spending-bill/ar-AAOqbdD?li=BBnb7Kz

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Reply Manchin puts foot down on key climate provision in spending bill (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Tuesday OP
liberal N proud Tuesday #1
Bev54 Tuesday #2
BradAllison Tuesday #3
Evolve Dammit Tuesday #25
Botany Tuesday #4
kysrsoze Tuesday #5
Traildogbob Tuesday #6
andym Tuesday #7
hedda_foil Tuesday #8
cstanleytech Tuesday #20
pamdb Tuesday #9
The Mouth Tuesday #17
Historic NY Tuesday #10
former9thward Tuesday #28
Historic NY Tuesday #31
former9thward Tuesday #32
Augiedog Tuesday #11
FBaggins Tuesday #12
dexdah Tuesday #13
Magoo48 Tuesday #21
Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #14
BootinUp Tuesday #22
Colgate 64 Tuesday #15
SouthBayDem Tuesday #23
monkeyman1 Yesterday #35
Efilroft Sul Tuesday #16
Calista241 Tuesday #18
IbogaProject Tuesday #27
Bernardo de La Paz Tuesday #19
AllaN01Bear Tuesday #24
Evolve Dammit Tuesday #26
Icanthinkformyself Tuesday #29
Icanthinkformyself Tuesday #30
Justice matters. Tuesday #33
tinymontgomery Tuesday #34

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:57 PM

1. He's got to go!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:03 PM

2. I have said from day one that his objections will be to those funding climate change

That is for the benefit of his oil and gas and coal donors. It was always going to be.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:04 PM

3. He is sabotaging our future.

No one can provide any other legitimate answer for what he is doing. No one. And his defenders here know they can't.

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:02 PM

25. x1000!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:05 PM

4. Manchin is also a member of ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) which was founded by ...

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... the Koch Brothers and is funded by the fossil fuel industry. And the F.F.I. is pulling out all stops in
trying to stop green energy and moving away from fossil fuels. i heard or read that the F.F.I. has a house
or office in D.C. dedicated to stopping this bill which addresses climate change. Manchin and Sinema are
looking @ millions of $s if they hold the line and stop the climate change bill.

https://www.alec.org/about/alumni/

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:06 PM

5. If he gave a shit about his constituents, he'd demand retraining and new work for coal workers.

Instead, it's the same old tired attempts to prop up the dangerous and destructive fossil fuel industry.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:21 PM

6. Haaaaaaa!

Gave a shit about constituents!!!!!When has a coal Baron EVER gave a shit about the people in the holes.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:28 PM

7. He won't back off on this-- he is representing the coal-based interests of his state

probably one could get him to accept the rest of the bill, if the energy provisions that act against coal are not included.
It's not only the coal-mine owners but the workers and towns that depend on coal.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:32 PM

8. He owns a coal company that sells slag to WV power plants.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:04 PM

20. Coal is not the answer to our energy problems but neither is solar or wind though they do have their

places such as for areas where its far off the grid.
No, what we need is something that can provide alot of power in as an efficient way as possible but not put more carbon into the atmosphere but the problem is that with our current technology that means nuclear.
I would rather that we did not have to use nuclear of course but until something else can provide atleast the same amount of power its probably our only option for now though hopefully that can change sooner rather than later.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:34 PM

9. Manchin

And Exxon and coal companies wouldnít like it. And we know who Manchin favors.

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Response to pamdb (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:27 PM

17. Except the Chinese

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:50 PM

10. Coal is done its on its last gasp, Manchin wants to keep it going

most coal fire plants are being phased out and most countries are walking away for coal.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #10)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:13 PM

28. Not the biggest -- China.

And the one with the least pollution controls -- China.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 05:16 PM

31. They get over 96% from Australia..

but China is finding out how damaging the pollution is.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 05:23 PM

32. Actually China is boycotting Australian coal now.

Australia called for an international investigation on the origins of Covid and China retaliated with a coal boycott. But wherever China gets coal from it is more important to them to bring hundreds of millions into the middle class than to worry about pollution right now.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:51 PM

11. Old man in thrall to coal. Mental decline, or worse?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:03 PM

12. He's also still pressing for a "pause" and focus on the infrastructure bill

From his twitter this morning:

WATCH: The most emergent need that we have right now is to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which will invest in roads, bridges, water, sewer & broadband after years of neglect. Any further spending should not be rushed & should be considered on a bipartisan basis.


That "bipartisan basis" language (to me) hints of a threat to kill reconciliation entirely.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:06 PM

13. Joe Manchin: Wholly Owned Subsidiary of Koch Industries

The best senator money can buy. Manchin is as oily as it gets.

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Response to dexdah (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:06 PM

21. Yup, he's a payola laden plant and all around pathetic putz.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:10 PM

14. The sausage isn't being made on television...

Itís being made behind the scenes, and we arenít invited to watch.

I expect some form of the clean energy payment program to make it into the final bill.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:24 PM

22. Yep. Nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:15 PM

15. Fuck Manchin and fuck his foot. NT

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Response to Colgate 64 (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:32 PM

23. HIS FOOT? Eww...I cannot unsee that nt

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Response to SouthBayDem (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 12:46 AM

35. step on cow shit like rump at cow pasture rally !

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:21 PM

16. The next quarterly earnings is as far as into the future as this guy and his daughter can envision.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:32 PM

18. So i saw his interview on Meet the Press where he talked about this.

His logic was that power companies are moving away from coal and towards cleaner / renewables anyway. Why should we (the American People) pay for something the companies are doing anyway with their own money?

I don't agree with all of his comments, but paying for stuff we don't need to pay for does make a certain kind of sense.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:05 PM

27. Except coal, gas and oil were and are subsidized still

This sound reasonable except coal, gas and oil were and are subsidized still. they get direct cash subsidies and they get very big tax breaks. Therefore I argue we should subsidize the new round of clean technologies, even if they can compete without them as the others have and still enjoy breaks.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:45 PM

19. "A growing share" could stop growing any time. Economics full of asymptotes. Word too big for Manchi

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:41 PM

24. everything in this country is decaying. why , because of ppl like him.

bridges are falling apart. roads are falling apart. buildings are falling apart, yet some still scream that " we are the greatest ", we are #1. we have the best ,, used to did . we have the best phone system, used to did. etc . but some people dont want to pay for it . " my taxes are too high. code word , i dont want to pay any taxes at all. hem. you get what u pay for. or dont get what you dont pay for.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:05 PM

26. Mother Earth is gearing up to kick our worthless, rapist, dominion asses. Ignoring it seals it.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:36 PM

29. Consider the source

The Hill, that bastion of alternate facts. Notice how, to The Hill, Democrats are always in disarray, falling apart with no agenda or plan. They seem confused and have matters reversed.
They love them some Manchin, however, 'cause they can use him to bash Democrats. The spectacle of it all is Manchin's schtick. He's playing the Republican game of WWE wrestler, climbing on the ropes and pretending to jump into the spectators. It's all show and playacting for the campaign grift. As Schumer has said, Manchin will not give up the $$$ going to WV. It may take a little negotiating, but, it'll get done.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 06:45 PM

33. Can't any Dem with spare billions tell him to refund fossil-fuel donations...

and he/she will compensate the same amounts???

Paging Michael Bloomberg, or other(s) here.

Why can't that be done once and for all??

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 10:37 PM

34. The real question is

The real question is how do we go around him? Give in to his changes
then take the house and senate and pass what we what to pass to save the
planet.

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