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Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:18 AM

Data shows Covid booster shots are 'not appropriate' at this time, U.S. and international scientists

Source: CNBC

An expert review of scientific evidence to date has concluded that Covid-19 vaccine booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of leading U.S. and international scientists said Monday in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet.

The conclusion by scientists, including two senior Food and Drug Administration officials and the World Health Organization, came as studies continue to show the authorized Covid vaccines in the U.S. remain highly effective against severe disease and hospitalization caused by the fast-spreading delta variant.

While Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time, protection against severe disease may persist, the scientists said. That’s because the body’s immune system is complex, they said, and has other defenses besides antibodies that may protect someone from getting seriously sick.

“Current evidence does not, therefore, appear to show a need for boosting in the general population, in which efficacy against severe disease remains high,” the scientists wrote, adding the wide distribution of boosters is “not appropriate at this stage in the pandemic.”

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/13/covid-booster-shots-data-shows-third-shots-not-appropriate-at-this-time-scientists-conclude.html

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Reply Data shows Covid booster shots are 'not appropriate' at this time, U.S. and international scientists (Original post)
SouthBayDem Tuesday OP
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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:08 AM

1. Good thing I didn't get my booster

I'll wait it out, I'm happy with the Moderna that I got a while back.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:15 AM

2. They're Full Of Shit

They're ignoring the rising breakthrough infections of those fully vaccinated, and the CDC is only counting those that are hospitalized.

They also claim those who are unvaccinated should come first, except there isn't a single unvaccinated person in the country that cannot find a dose of vaccine.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:29 AM

3. WHO takes a broader view.

In their estimation, vaccines could save more lives with developing world 1st vaccinations as opposed to industrialized world 3rd.

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Response to carpetbagger (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:53 AM

5. Agreed. And it's rare that breakthrough infections lead to...

hospitalization, and even less in death. Winger media of course greatly exaggerates any deaths of breakthrough infections, as rare as they are.

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Response to brush (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:36 AM

61. If my husband or I get sick...we won't be able to work for God knows how long. and we won't

get paid...can't get unemployment either in Ohio because we are 'not available for work'. I am going to do all I can to stay healthy. There are already five cases at my husband's place of work...and one is in a vaccinated individual. There is no help at all in Ohio and other states for pandemic related illness.

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Response to carpetbagger (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:08 AM

10. Except

the boosters would only come from mRNA vaccines, which the 'developing world' doesn't have the minus 100 degree storage capabilities required, so the dispersion of boosters wouldn't deprive them of a single dose.


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Response to carpetbagger (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:34 AM

60. Yeah that is what I think...so it is not because we wouldn't benefit from a booster...maybe save

lives, the scientist think others would benefit more...ah I have the intention of getting a shot at CVS on Saturday. I had Covid and will do all I can not to get it again.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:44 AM

24. Anyone in the US who wants the vaccine can find it

Not true a lot of other places. The 19 million doses of vaccine that went into the garbage could have saved a lot of lives in African, Asia, and South America.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:20 AM

59. +1

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:53 AM

4. Fuck WHO.

I have zero trust in them.

Start administering boosters ASAP for the general population.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:24 AM

6. I don't think the OP opposition to boosters

comes from WHO. It is from an article in Lancet.

I am not a medical expert, so I am wary of challenging them. But, on the other hand, there is the experience of Israel.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 05:13 AM

14. The fight comes

because Biden announced the booster expansion before there was good science on it; Pfizer and Moderna are poised to make billions; most of the science comes from Israel which has some anomalous results; a strong belief in vaccine equity and the thought that the first shot in a poor person does a lot more good than the 3rd shot in a rich one.

The first two authors are former high-ranking (as of in the last month) FDA officials that got pissed off that the White House announced the booster before the FDA or anyone else had reviewed the data from the drug makers. The rest are from the WHO and similar organizations. Similar organizations are also complaining about youth immunizations.

I mostly agree with them although I think they should still be given to high risk people and essential workers at a minimum. A mild illness still means 10 days or so out of work, and a week running a fever.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 07:48 AM

21. EXACTLY! As always one size does not fit all.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:26 AM

25. How is Israel an anomaly?

And how does the virus distinguish between rich and poor?

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Response to Sgent (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:20 AM

37. Oh

It's those two whack-jobs. They were full of it then, they're still full of it now. THEY were the ones who were being political, while falsely accusing the WH of being political. Good riddance.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:55 AM

66. I do not agree with them. I believe everyone should get a booster. And I don't care if

along the way these companies make money.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:35 AM

9. This doesn't refute the recommendation

At best this supports targeted boosters. But the public health goal needs to be not maximizing individual immunity within our own country, but reducing the global number of cases. The rate at which breakthrough cases emerge, coupled with the generally lower severity of such cases, indicates that giving people initial immunity will have a bigger impact on the number of infections than would allocating the still-limited supplies of vaccines to boosters in the general population. Give boosters to the sick and elderly, and ship the rest of the doses to countries where people need (and will take!) them. That's the best path to stopping the proliferation of variants and closing this phase of the pandemic.

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Response to caraher (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:13 AM

11. Can't Ship mRNA Vaccines

to the 'developing world', and any country that has the required storage facilities can afford to buy their own vaccines.


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Response to WHITT (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 05:16 AM

15. Even in developing countries

most of them can be stored at a few hospitals and distributed for HCW and some high risk patients.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 07:26 AM

20. "most of them can be stored at a few hospitals"

Unfortunately in many of those countries, the "few hospitals" are located in the "few large cities" that are often far far away from the village-oriented or rural populace that need it the most.

We have the same exact situation here in the U.S. when it comes to getting vaccine to our own rural areas - and that is with having road infrastructure that many countries don't have. The fact that you have hospitals in the state of Idaho "shipping" their patients to Washington state hospitals is a case in point.

I think this is why the adenovirus-based vaccines were being hoped for in terms of storage requirements vs the mRNA ones. But the current adenovirus vaccines have had their own issues, although they represent the bulk of the COVID-19 vaccines that are actually being manufactured and distributed.

I.e., I believe the Pfizer and Moderna ones are the only mRNA-based ones and the rest around the world are adenovirus ones (e.g., Janssen (J&J), UK AstraZeneca, along with the Chinese Sinovac & Russian Sputnik V vaccines).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:26 AM

39. Yep

We already donated our entire inventory of AstraZeneca, as it only requires regular refrigeration, and next they're supposed to donate some J&J, and whatever the name if the Covax one is, I forget.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #39)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:33 AM

41. I believe "Covax" is the name of an international organization

that is handling the logistics of compiling info on the donations, distribution, and tracking of the vaccines being directed to various countries around the world.

I think that other adenovirus-type vaccine is called "Novavax" and they are still debating whether to apply for approval here but have gone on and applied in the EU and elsewhere (I think Japan).

ETA - I had posted about what was actually being distributed around the world (at least as of this past June) - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15826484





And also posted the State Department's vaccine shipping/tracking link - https://www.state.gov/covid-19-recovery/vaccine-deliveries/

where as of yesterday (9/13/21), they are listing "134,047,420" doses shipped.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:47 AM

43. Yes

That's another one that only requires regular refrigeration, which Covax wants to add to their donation list.

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Response to caraher (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:51 AM

28. The infection rate in my county is at 11%.

16% of the infections are in vaccinated people. 7% are in partiallly vaccinated people. 50% of the infections are in people under age 40.

Seniors over 65 have the highest vaccination rate in the county. They also have the highest hospitalization and death rate here. In my mind there is no question about the need for boosters for people over 65.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:29 AM

8. The pandemic is a global problem

We need to get shots in everyone worldwide before we devote resources to some marginal additional gain in immunity for the US general population. It's not so much about whether you or I can improve our immunity by 20 or 30%, when leaving others totally unprotected will continue to evolve variants that might defeat our vaccines.

Given 300 million doses, what will reduce infections more - giving boosters to 300 million people who already have substantial immunity, or fully immunizing 150 million people? The answer is the latter, and that's something this expert review reflects.

The only people in the US who should be considered for boosters at this time are the elderly and immunocompromised.

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Response to caraher (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:18 AM

12. 'Everyone Worldwide'

doesn't have the proper storage requirements, so providing whatever number of boosters doesn't deprive anyone anywhere of a vaccine.


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Response to WHITT (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:49 AM

13. This has to be taken into consideration

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You aren't preventing starvation if you airlift 100 tons of frozen food to a central distribution point in the Sahara that has neither refrigeration or even the electricity to power refrigerators if they had them. You can only help the locals if you have the facilities and infrastructure to implement your aid.

100 million doses of vaccine that will deteriorate before they even get unpacked helps no one. Better to distribute them while they are effective, and distribute vaccine that remains effective under local conditions where we can. Better to give Moderna boosters in the USA than send them to third world areas where they will be useless to the people there before they are even offloaded.

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Response to DFW (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:30 AM

40. Exactly

I don't get why the WHO is blind to this. Not providing boosters of the mRNA vaccines doesn't get anybody in any other country a single dose.

Do I gotta say "DUH!" ?

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Response to WHITT (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:45 PM

47. You really seem to think most of the world lives in rural isolation

There are big cities all over developing countries. They have universities, or central hospitals, that can have cold storage facilities. They have millions of people who can go to vaccination distributing points in a few hours - and their problem will be traffic, not lack of roads. Even without low temperature freezers, the Pfizer vaccine lasts for 30 days in dry ice.

No, you don't get to say "Duh", because you just don't understand what the situation is.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #47)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:46 PM

49. Nobody

would be so irresponsible as to risk sending a large shipment of mRNA vaccines to anyplace without the required minus 100 degree storage on that ridiculously short expiration schedule.

DUH.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #49)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 03:09 PM

50. Pfizer-BioNTech Pledges 2 Billion Doses to Poor Nations

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/pfizer-biontech-pledges-2-billion-doses-poor-nations

You really go out of your way to be annoying, don't you?

US President Joe Biden on Thursday pledged 500 million doses of the BioNTech-Pfizer coronavirus vaccine to developing nations.

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-biden-pledges-donation-of-500-million-vaccine-doses/a-57849161

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #50)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 03:17 PM

51. Eh

low- and middle-income nations

and

lower-income nations


are not the 'developing world'.

What's actually "annoying" is those that reply with non sequiturs.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #51)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 03:31 PM

52. Yes, they are

For instance:

The proposed new Developing Countries Trading Scheme aims to grow trade with lower income nations

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-scheme-to-drive-trade-with-developing-countries

Yet, blood products are important sources of HIV infection in low- and middle-income nations. Great care must be taken to prevent plasma therapy from fueling HIV epidemics in the developing world.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-020-0209-2

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #52)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:31 PM

56. I See You're Fond Of Non Sequiturs.




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Response to caraher (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:40 AM

62. I want to see Americans receive boosters now...ending this here would free up resources...

our economy is in trouble...have you tried to buy a phone or a car lately...people are getting laid off as the big three and the transplant autos can't get chips. Phones are affected as well.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 05:55 AM

16. I know I read somewhere can't remember where) that the average age of

People who died from breakthrough cases is 68. So approving them for at least older people would seem appropriate

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 06:25 AM

17. Link to the original Lancet article? It is an opinion - not a new research study...

That's what it looks like to me...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00486-2/fulltext

The administration of a third dose is motivated by fear of the B.1.617.2 (delta) variant but the intensity of this fear is unfounded, as there is now evidence that vaccines licensed in HICs are effective enough against it. Conversely, there is no definitive evidence if, and when, a third dose is necessary, and much-needed trials—the only context in which third-dose administration should be acceptable—are eagerly awaited. There is some evidence of waning antibody titres, which is an axiom of any vaccine administration that does not equal waning cellular immunity. Although the world has ubiquitously grappled with the plague of vaccine hesitancy, the level of coverage in HICs and the rates of administration of new doses should now be sufficient to allow the redirection of surplus doses to those who have none via the COVAX initiative. It is deeply ironic that COVID-19 vaccine acceptance might actually be much higher in LMICs than in HICs. A point must also be made about increasingly risky behaviour—it is irresponsible to encourage relaxation of basic physical distancing measures such as mask wearing in public or confined spaces even for vaccinated individuals, which may well be contributing to a large proportion of breakthrough infections.

A crucial problem for getting vaccines to LMICs is an interrupted cold chain. This is the case in Africa, where many communities live without continuous power supplies, and freezers that cost up to $20 000 are unaffordable. While capacity building is ongoing, countries could focus on donating and administering vector vaccines that are easier to store than mRNA vaccines and are sufficiently safe and effective, particularly in older individuals. Preliminary evidence from the Com-COV trial shows that heterologous vaccination is safe and induces robust immune responses, a viable option for countries that cannot rely on a steady stream of vaccines. There have been calls, reasonable in a time of global catastrophe, to waive intellectual property rights to facilitate local vaccine manufacturing, which should currently focus on LMICs with sufficiently robust regulatory capacities to ensure the quality of local production, as argued by the Center for Global Development. Vaccine donors and corporations can think about how to help with these issues in the short and long terms.

Vulnerable people in HICs have already been prioritised; vulnerable people in LMICs cannot wait until 2023 for their turn, and this wait is in the best interest of no one.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 07:54 AM

22. Apologies, but! Again I repeat myself. As always one size does not fit all.

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Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:59 AM

29. Thank you for pointing out that

this is an opinion piece, an editorial article, and not a new study. Its conclusion is the same as we already knew from WHO, that they favor sending vaccines abroad over giving boosters here.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 06:49 AM

18. I think everyone is now seeing that the "scientific community" is rarely "unanimous" about anything

This has been the case forever. You will always have disagreements over what any "facts" and "evidence" actually "mean".

In this case, you have experts who operate in different "lanes" (medical personnel vs epidemiologists vs virologists) and sometimes there will be a clash of opinions. And in the case of a respiratory virus that primarily spreads through airborne transmission, you can add in another group of experts who deal with airflow dynamics and particle movement.

The clashes a year ago regarding "droplets" vs "aerosolization" was a perfect example of scientists and medical personnel "assuming things" outside of their areas of expertise. And in a number of cases, some were loudly making bad "black or white conclusions" that had an impact on masking decisions that should have had enough "shades of gray" to allow time for other experts to have a chance to look at the data and provide some input.

Having listened to both CDC's & FDA's Committees when they streamed their meetings/discussions the past year, you will often find a couple out of the majority of participants, who will disagree, sometimes vehemently, but they usually have some reasoning behind "why". But in general, they have all been working in tandem.

In the case of a "booster" - one of things brought out in their last meeting was use of the term "booster". A number of members insisted that use of the term itself was a misnomer and believed that the way it is being described/formulated *should* have it considered to be a "3rd dose" (or a "3rd in a series" for the original "2-dose" regiments) vs a "booster dose". Since a large number of vaccines are initially used in children, many of the Committee physician members actually work in the pediatric field and have become accustomed to how vaccines are characterized for that demographic.

This is a "techie" issue that is sadly playing out in the lay community. It hearkens back to a similar "technical" dispute between the NWS, the media, and the lay public revolving around Hurricane Sandy and its "technical" (per past definitions and practice) "type change" from "Hurricane Sandy" to "Super Storm Sandy", with its "tropical" nature "technically" stripped at the latitude of landfall, thus "technically" no longer qualifying as a "hurricane" (which is a tropical system), but had transitioned into a "non-tropical cyclone". But the outrage was palatable because everything else about it was "hurricane like". The bitterness a decade later persists because of that as the terms have different meanings, particularly when it comes to insurance claims, among other things, and changes were made to try to rectify these "technicalities" due to public reaction.

I think there are a myriad of issues here that they have had to deal with that are literally unprecedented - the virus itself (and its mutations), the vaccines (and how novel they are - particularly the mRNA ones), the scope of the pandemic (something not seen since 1918), and the politicization of how to handle moving on and combating the the impact of infections.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:08 AM

67. Great analysis!! Eom

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 07:10 AM

19. These people seem to be a lot more concerned with

"vaccine inadequacy" rather than actual evidence of necessity of the boosters, if you ask me.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:36 AM

26. In The Masque of the Red Death

The wealthy tried to party in their walls, while the red death raged amongst the peasants. It still got them in the end.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:51 AM

27. The vaccine is against the disease,

not the infection. We could always catch the infection, in our nose for example, but our T and B memory cell should recognize the spike RNA and take it out. Autoimmune dysfunction persons, and maybe over aged 75 might need another booster. Scientists are saying this will probably be a yearly booster, like the flu.

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Response to Corgigal (Reply #27)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 10:10 AM

31. I'd modify that age to over 65.

In my area, according to the county health board's daily website statistics, people over 65 have the highest vaccination rate and the highest death rate.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 10:15 AM

32. Could be.

I’m just telling you what I heard from This Week in Virology podcast. I listen to them weekly, and they aren’t selling me anything. Not telling you I can always follow 100 percent of the conversation, but I have learned a lot in the past year.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 10:01 AM

30. I don't buy it.

It is Not, not, not a research paper. It is just opinions of some political scientists who claim to have looked at the real research.

This sounds very political and Not based on the scientific method. They keep saying that Biden is wrong. So, sounds more like sour grapes then real research.

"Variant.Breakthrough cases accounted for about 1 in 5 newly diagnosed cases in six of the states, according to The New York Times. Hospitalizations and deaths among vaccinated people may be higher than previously thought as well."

"U.S. data show rising 'breakthrough' infections among fully vaccinated."

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-data-show-rising-breakthrough-infections-among-fully-vaccinated-2021-08-24/

They say themselves that "Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time." It's Not "May"...it "Does" wane over time, there is clear evidence that vaccinations wane over a 6 to 8 month period. And even mild cases can leave permanent damage to the heart and lungs.

This just looks so much like Biden bashing and not like well thought out research.


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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 10:39 AM

34. You are right, this doesn't represent a consensus in the medical community

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 10:40 AM

35. Exactly.

Vaccinated people who are infected are also capable of spreading covid around. So even so-called "mild" infection should be avoided.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 10:41 AM

36. Completely agree. I remember back when

the Pfizer vaccine first came out that Pfizer said it was good for at least 6 months and there should be a reassessment in 6 months about whether an additional dose was necessary, based on real world experience with the vaccine.

Both Pfizer and Moderna have said that they considered making the vaccine a 3 shot series from the start, but since early test results showed good results at 2 doses, they decided to go with 2 due to the urgency to get large numbers of people vaccinated quickly. That was BEFORE delta.

Now the real world experience is validating earlier predictions that vaccine effectiveness would wane in 6 months and require a 3rd dose. It should have been a 3 dose shot to begin with. There are other vaccines that are also given in more than 2 doses, e.g. polio, which is 3 initial doses and a later booster to immunize against all variants of polio.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 10:37 AM

33. Regardless of these opinions, and that is what they are, there are plenty of scientists and

immunologists who have a different take, that boosters should be given.

Dr. Fauci for one.

Boris Johnson is suppossed to announce today that people over 50 in the UK will be eligible for a booster:

"The government said Tuesday that it will offer free booster shots to 30 million people in the country to protect front-line health workers, those over 50 and any other medically vulnerable people."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/britain-uk-covid-government/2021/09/14/12706676-14cb-11ec-a019-cb193b28aa73_story.html

The Lancet piece is NOT a consensus piece throughout the medical community

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:21 AM

38. I think WHO wants the rest of the world vaccinated

Before giving boosters to anyone else.

Hearing more reports of break though infections, especially with Delta. I remember reading a few months ago that even those of us who are fully vaccinated have dropped down to about 60% effectiveness.

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Response to Bayard (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:36 AM

42. But

that doesn't get them a single dose. Only the mRNA vaccines would be used for boosters, which cannot be shipped to the developing world anyway.


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Response to WHITT (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:13 PM

44. Pfizer claims they can ship to developing nations.

The claim they have shipped 1.3 billion doses to 120 different countries.

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Response to OneCrazyDiamond (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 02:45 PM

48. Pfizer

is only shipping to countries that have minus 100 degree storage facilities. Countries that have minus 100 degree storage facilities can afford to purchase their own vaccines.

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Response to WHITT (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 04:05 PM

55. I don't know.

They claim they have storage solved too.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/distributing_our_covid_19_vaccine_to_the_world

You got to imagine they aren't just now thinking "hey cold storage is an issue".

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Response to Bayard (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 04:01 PM

54. My proposal for the time being

1) Shots for late-adopters.

2) Boost immuno-compromised, high-risk groups after six months.

2a) Boost front line health care workers after six months.

3) Everyone else, boost after six months using vaccine that is about to be 'spoiled' (thrown out).

(edited to add 2a)

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Response to Bayard (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:42 AM

63. I don't care what WHO wants personally.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:14 PM

45. I can't afford even a "mild" case of Delta

Not only am I over 65, I have reduced lung capacity and other issues that are controlled with medication but that still make me less than hale and hearty. My wife has Parkinson's and diabetes, so even more vulnerable.

I'm getting a booster end of September, early October. Period.

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Response to Random Boomer (Reply #45)

Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:35 PM

46. If you're vaccinated,

the odds of getting severely ill or dying from COVID-19 are extremely low. You both may have already been and not know it.

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Response to OneCrazyDiamond (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:43 AM

64. Why should we play the 'odds' when a booster is available.

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Response to Random Boomer (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:10 AM

58. see, I think folk like you should be first

and I am very happy to wait until you folk get it...I am disgusted by the ME FIRST mentality of too many healthy folk

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Response to Skittles (Reply #58)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:52 AM

65. I agree. But you need to understand that the Me First mentality for many including me

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has to do with finances too. Hubs and I have been out of work off and on for well over a year...we faced a GM strike just before the pandemic hit too. There is no help available for people who get sick and can't work...chances are you lose your job too...we simply can't afford to get sick and there are many in our situation.

Also, health plans including Medicare or so my sister-in-law says are no longer covering deductibles so we could be left with huge medical bills. Many folks have large deductibles even in Medicare plans. Also, there is a political issue. President Biden is already facing lower polls in terms of the Pandemic. We need to do all we can to turn this around here before 22 and 24 or we will lose those elections. And I believe that should include boosters for all citizens with older Americans and those with medical issues first in line.

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Response to SouthBayDem (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:47 AM

57. Unknowing mild Covid case spreading is OK. But severe Covid case catching is not..

Did I get that right?

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