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Wed Aug 25, 2021, 12:22 PM

Court upholds death sentence for Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof

Source: WCSC

RICHMOND, Va. (WCSC) - The U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the death sentence for Dylann Roof in the 2015 shooting that killed nine members of a Charleston church.

Roof and his attorneys attempted to appeal the death sentence in May of this year.

“No cold record or careful parsing of statutes and precedents can capture the full horror of what Roof did,” the court’s ruling states. “His crimes qualify him for the harshest penalty that a just society can impose.”

Read more: https://www.live5news.com/2021/08/25/court-upholds-death-sentence-charleston-church-shooter-dylann-roof/

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Reply Court upholds death sentence for Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof (Original post)
TheProle Aug 2021 OP
Sneederbunk Aug 2021 #1
James48 Aug 2021 #25
Miguelito Loveless Aug 2021 #2
cstanleytech Aug 2021 #3
Calista241 Aug 2021 #4
griloco Aug 2021 #12
SergeStorms Aug 2021 #21
Rebl2 Aug 2021 #23
Devil Child Aug 2021 #5
Traildogbob Aug 2021 #6
Jilly_in_VA Aug 2021 #7
leftieNanner Aug 2021 #10
EndlessWire Sep 2021 #40
atreides1 Aug 2021 #11
Duppers Aug 2021 #13
keithbvadu2 Aug 2021 #8
keithbvadu2 Aug 2021 #9
Mr. Evil Aug 2021 #17
Griefbird Aug 2021 #14
nvme Aug 2021 #15
mahannah Aug 2021 #16
BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #18
Jetheels Aug 2021 #19
DemUnleashed Aug 2021 #20
Prof. Toru Tanaka Aug 2021 #24
WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #30
Marthe48 Aug 2021 #22
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2021 #26
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2021 #27
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2021 #28
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2021 #33
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2021 #34
denbot Aug 2021 #29
WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #31
Paladin Aug 2021 #32
Withywindle Aug 2021 #35
Owl Aug 2021 #36
electric_blue68 Aug 2021 #37
Ilsa Aug 2021 #38
TheProle Sep 2021 #39

Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 12:37 PM

1. There are no Burger Kings in Hell.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:46 PM

25. Are you sure?

Just asking…

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 12:43 PM

2. Well...

the "harshest penalties that a society can impose". "Just" societies know they are flawed and don't impose the death penalty.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 12:46 PM

3. I would have preferred that he rot in prison for life not that I will shed a tear for him

If the state executes him.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 12:48 PM

4. he's gonna spend the next 10 years or so suffering in a jail cell. n/t

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 02:34 PM

12. And OilBoiling is bad for the environment...

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Response to griloco (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:23 PM

21. Peanut oil is good.

Fry up some turkeys, wings, twinkies...whatever, then the used oil would be suffice for whatever it was you had in mind.

Nothing in the Constitution says it has to be clean, unused oil.

Afterward the oil can be recycled for biodiesel use.

Will that work?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 04:48 PM

23. Sometimes

I believe that is the harshest punishment

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 12:50 PM

5. Good, death for terrorists.

 

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 12:58 PM

6. Ok then!

Cue Marginal Trailer Queen and Mattie the Mattress flipper to be outside the jail demanding the release of this political prisoner.
Good on the court. Get on with it. His jail time should be less than Jeffery Ebstien. No more taxes keeping him alive. It’s been 6 years. Two for one executions. Take out the other punk that killed Black Lives Matter people and shot an arm off another. Wrap his casket in the confederate flag and bury them both out of sight. Forever. Toss in a Cheeseburger in the ground with him. I’m not an animal!

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 01:13 PM

7. I'm anti-death penalty

I want him to live with what he did. Over and over. Every day. Preferably with someone from Mother Emmanuel praying for him outside his cell every single day, out loud.

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Response to Jilly_in_VA (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 02:03 PM

10. Me too

I wish the US would abolish the death penalty.

Life without parole would suit him just fine.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 29, 2021, 05:18 PM

40. As long as he didn't get

TV, library privileges, etc. No games. Some kind of SuperMax isolation. Then let him jump off the tier, when he's ready. I'd go crazy, myself, and would do it rather quickly.

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Response to Jilly_in_VA (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 02:10 PM

11. Well

He does live with it everyday...and he's proud of his actions...he's a hero to white supremacists everywhere!

I'll bet he even has fans and pen pals...they probably send him letters praising him for his actions, and he revels in the attention!

Unless the Supreme Court agrees to hear his appeal, he'll spend the rest of his "life", living in the adoration of his cult following...and then a needle in the arm and he'll answer to the "god" he believes in!!!

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Response to Jilly_in_VA (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 02:49 PM

13. Embalming & funerals should be taped &...

and replayed non-stop on a loop. Macabre? Yes, but I can only imagine the crime scene and the terror the poor victims must have felt.

And I think some people are just incapable of remorse.

I also think that judges & juries should allow victims' loved ones to speak on the matter....



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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 01:39 PM

8. Roof - flag 1

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 01:41 PM

9. Roof - flag 2

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:02 PM

17. Not trying to add levity to the conversation but,

he sure as hell isn't a ringing endorsement for Gold's Gym.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 02:50 PM

14. The death penalty is barbaric.

When we intentionally kill another person because he or she has murdered, we sink to the murder's level. Roof is a sociopathic madman, and his death will do nothing to discourage other sociopathic madmen; however, he must never again be turned loose to act on the advice of his demons. It's questionable whether his martyrdom or his continued survival in prison serves better to inflame his groupies to heinous acts, but our response to his atrocities is on us.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 02:53 PM

15. Too sad

Our courts should not be part of the murder factory. Life in prison without the possibility of parole is fitting. He has the rest of his life to face his crimes and it is so damn expensive to execute prisoners. Do the research and you will see.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 02:58 PM

16. A " just society "?

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:06 PM

18. Good.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:08 PM

19. Has anyone watched the documentary Into The Abyss, from Werner Herzog?

 

It’s an unbiased look at the death penalty, the director is personally against the death penalty. It follows 2 murderers who together killed 3 people, for a car. After I watched the movie I changed my mind about the death penalty, after seeing how one of these murderers can go on to have a pretty okay life in prison, find a girlfriend, get married, and even start a family by sneaking out his seed.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:22 PM

20. The...

The thought of how prisoners must be treating Dylan in prison, gives me joy!

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Response to DemUnleashed (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:48 PM

24. If he's on death row,


wouldn't he be segregated from the GP and have his own cell?


Although I did read a while back he got his butt kicked by a black inmate which made me smile.

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Response to DemUnleashed (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 27, 2021, 08:11 AM

30. Fuck this take.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 04:01 PM

22. He murdered innocents

in a place of sanctuary. I prayed for the victims and their loved ones. I can't bring myself to pray for the killer and the people who encouraged and enabled him to unleash terror and suffering on the victims and their loved ones.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 11:14 PM

26. SC just passed a law authorizing execution by firing squad.

The last execution by firing squad in the U.S. was in 2010. Ronnie Lee Gardner told a Utah court: “I would like the firing squad, please.” “I like the firing squad.” To each his own.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #26)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:55 AM

27. I'm not a fan of capital punishment.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Nietzsche

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #27)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:33 PM

28. Neither am I. When I was a judge's law clerk in SC we tried a death penalty case.

Where "normal" murder cases took two days, this case went on for three weeks. Actually, longer because the judge had to declare a mistrial when the defendant's friend -- a psychiatrist -- took it on himself to contact all the jurors and tell them what a great guy the defendant was. Not only was there a mistrial, we had to move the trial to another city to get away from the local news media. Even so, the new jury had to be sequestered for the entire trial.

As far as my partication in the trial, in addition to doing research I wrote the judge's instructions to the jury, which I usually did. (Once he found out I had a degree in journalism he had me write all the jury instructions from then on.) While the case was in progress the Solicitor (what SC calls prosecutors) told the Judge in private(!) he knew it wasn't really a death penalty case, but he had made a campaign promise that he had to keep. So because of this asshole's ego the state ended up paying tens of thousands of dollars it wouldn't have had to had the case been tried as a regular murder trial.

BTW, after all that rigamarole the jury returned a verdict of guilty after just two hours of deliberation. Less than two hours, actually, since a portion of that time was spent eating lunch. During the second part of the trial -- the sentence -- they recommended prison in lieu of execution.

I have all kinds of reasons I'm against the death penalty, but the primary one is this -- our system of government is based on the powers granted by the governed. In other words, the government is acting as an agent to carry out our instructions (usually determined by majority rule, although recent events have put that concept into question).

Even though I'm only one person, the government is still working as my agent. This makes me the principal, and I should be willing to personally do whatever I tell the state to do -- in this case, kill another citizen. I know I can't and won't do that, so it feels wrong for me to have someone else do it in my stead.

I know a lot of the arguments against the death penalty, and I agree with most of them, but in the end the question for me is, am I willing to personally inject the poison, pull electric switch, or now, shoot someone in the heart. That's true specially when there may be a chance -- any chance at all -- that he or she may not have done the crime. I am not willing to do that, no matter how heinous the crime.

So that's my brief experience with the death penalty, FWIW.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 28, 2021, 10:54 AM

33. For me, it's simpler.

If someone presents an imminent threat of deadly or serious harm to anyone, I'm fine with anyone doing anything necessary to stop them. Once a person is arrested and brought to judgement in court, that threat is absent.

In my mind conventional prisons serve only to separate criminals from society. Those that are non-violent and cooperate with supervision need not be imprisoned.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #33)

Sat Aug 28, 2021, 01:54 PM

34. I agree with you 100%.

If a person is a direct threat to me or someone I care about, I will use every means possible to stop them, even if it means taking their life. At that moment I am solely responsible for my actions, and I am not telling someone else to do it.

In the case we tried in South Carolina there were two defendants. One was angry that his business partner was having an affair with his wife, and paid a drug addict from North Carolina who had military training to shoot and kill him. Since the shooter lived out of state the local police were unable to find him. The plot fell apart when the shooter got clean and sober and his conscience led him to call the law and turn himself in. What made it a death penalty case was 'because it was a "conspiracy to commit a murder." Had the young man not confessed, it probably would be still be a cold case.

What I was referring to -- inelegantly -- is a person who has been found guilty of murder or any of the other capital crimes listed in a state's criminal code. Within that legal framework I couldn't personally kill another human being, so how can I ask the state to do it for me?

I am aware of the arguments for opposing the death penalty: it's not a deterrent, it doesn't provide closure for the victim's family, it takes too long between conviction and execution, since the cost of appeals is often paid by the state it's more expensive than life incarceration, and the one I most adhere to, mistakes are made and innocent people are killed. I agree with every single one of those. All of are valid reasons to end the death penalty; I have taken a more personal approach to the issue.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 11:33 PM

29. I don't support the death penalty, but I got no F's to give for this turd.

Fuck him.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Fri Aug 27, 2021, 08:11 AM

31. Abolish the death penalty.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Fri Aug 27, 2021, 08:32 AM

32. Glad to hear it. (nt)

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 02:32 AM

35. I can't cheer the death penalty

Sorry, I'm against it across the board.

I am guardedly glad to see that a white guy who killed black people in cold blood was given a severe sentence though (though I'd prefer life without possibility of parole.) Too many times, people like that get off with very light penalties relevant to the horror and devastation they caused.


As always, my thoughts are with the victims and all those who knew and loved them. That's who matters.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 03:31 PM

36. Good.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 04:22 PM

37. I don't believe in the death penalty BUT their -are- SOME people who really try my beliefs!

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 06:39 PM

38. I wouldn't want him creating a new, young white supremacist army

while he's in prison for the next 60 years. And I think it's important that others like him see that the ultimate price will be paid.

Yeah, he's a young, stupid man. And I think the death penalty should be rare. But I'm okay with this.

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Response to TheProle (Original post)

Wed Sep 29, 2021, 10:17 AM

39. Appeal Denied

The mass murderer and racist who killed nine Black people in a church in South Carolina in 2015 has lost his appeal to challenge his death sentence and conviction. The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals wrote that it was denying Roof’s request for a hearing before a full appellate court.

https://www.theroot.com/dylann-roofs-death-sentence-appeal-denied-1847766500

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