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Sun Aug 1, 2021, 02:09 PM

Fauci: US unlikely to return to lockdowns

Source: The Hill

Dr. Anthony Fauci, President Biden's chief medical adviser, said on Sunday that he does not think the United States will return to lockdowns, even as the number of coronavirus cases in the country spikes largely because of the highly infectious delta variant.

"I don't think we're going to see lockdowns. I think we have enough of the percentage of people in the country, not enough to crush the outbreak, but I believe enough to not allow us to get into the situation we were in last winter," Fauci told host Jon Karl on ABC's "This Week."

He did, however, say "things are going to get worse," before contending that the country is "seeing an outbreak of the unvaccinated."

"If you look at the acceleration of the number of cases, the seven-day average has gone up substantially. You know, what we really need to do, Jon, we say it over and over again, and it's the truth, we have 100 million people in this country who are eligible to be vaccinated who are not getting vaccinated. We are seeing an outbreak of the unvaccinated," he said.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fauci-us-unlikely-to-return-to-lockdowns/ar-AAMOCAW?li=BBnbfcQ&ocid=DELLDHP

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Reply Fauci: US unlikely to return to lockdowns (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 1 OP
IronLionZion Aug 1 #1
Initech Aug 1 #2
maxsolomon Aug 1 #3
Initech Aug 1 #5
maxsolomon Aug 2 #24
Initech Aug 2 #25
Evolve Dammit Aug 1 #9
brush Aug 3 #26
IronLionZion Aug 2 #19
marble falls Aug 1 #4
Ace Rothstein Aug 1 #6
Evolve Dammit Aug 1 #10
Elessar Zappa Aug 1 #13
Evolve Dammit Aug 1 #14
TomCADem Aug 1 #17
abqtommy Aug 1 #7
quakerboy Aug 1 #8
beaglelover Aug 1 #11
DesertRat Aug 1 #12
Worried2020 Aug 1 #15
SarcasticSatyr Aug 1 #16
LisaL Aug 2 #21
EX500rider Aug 3 #30
Worried2020 Aug 5 #31
EX500rider Aug 5 #32
HUAJIAO Aug 1 #18
OhioChick Aug 2 #20
LisaL Aug 2 #22
thucythucy Aug 3 #27
cadoman Aug 6 #33
nitpicker Aug 2 #23
HUAJIAO Aug 3 #29
Mysterian Aug 3 #28

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 02:49 PM

1. Masks are lockdowns for your face

since conservatives don't know the difference. They are still blaming both for spreading the virus and deliberately misinterpreting the "shedding" from vaccinated people that lead to the updated mask guidelines.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 03:17 PM

2. What is pissing me off so much about this...

Is that the reason why there are so many anti-vaxxers out there is because of disinformation and propaganda that's being passed around and weaponized on Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg is really doing a disservice to humanity by not only allowing this shit to continue, but the fact that he's making billions off of it is even more infuriating. I'd go so far as to consider it borderline terrorism. And any blood that happens in the next few weeks because of anti-vaxxer propaganda is entirely on them.

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Response to Initech (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 03:24 PM

3. NYT article today on who's not vaccinated.

There are 2 groups:
1. Refusers: conservative rustics, fundies, anti-vaxxers, and conspiracy theorists.
2. Hesitants: the lazy, the phobic, the untrusting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-americans.html

Group 2 is reachable. All you need to do is pay them.

BTW, the NYT article on FB's private group misinformation dilemma is worth a read.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 04:38 PM

5. Crap at this point I think a pizza and a beer is enough!

Just do whatever it takes to get people to take the vaccine!

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Response to Initech (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 2, 2021, 03:20 PM

24. You'd hope. But getting the "Procrastinators" off their ass

will take cold cash. A lottery didn't do it.

And it won't reach all of them.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 2, 2021, 03:22 PM

25. Right now just whatever it takes.

Stop the virus and stop it from mutating into something worse! Right now it's your patriotic duty to get vaccinated!

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Response to Initech (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 07:10 PM

9. They simply don't care. At all. About anyone. Never seen anything like it. Total ignorance.

And proud of it. We will not survive as the country we knew. The times are changing and the future looks very uncertain IMHO.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 3, 2021, 01:40 AM

26. I fear that you are mostly right. There is slight hope for us...

as the vaccination rate has started to go up because of all the news about people being hospitalized and/or dying because of the delta variant.

I hope the rate increases more and more before the virus mutates again into something even worse than the delta variant.

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Response to Initech (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 2, 2021, 12:18 AM

19. And Fox News, RW talk radio, Free Republic, and more are originating disinformation nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 03:42 PM

4. We need a four week lockdown. That alone will cut variants popping up.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 04:53 PM

6. Variants largely are popping up elsewhere and being imported here.

They are also already here so locking down won't do anything except delay infections.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 07:11 PM

10. Never happen. Business interests and anti-vaxxers are winning big.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 08:28 PM

13. I wouldn't say anti-vaxxers are winning.

Pretty much everyone dying right now is unvaccinated.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 08:57 PM

14. By defying the vaccine, they are being left alone. They view that as owning the libs and winning.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 10:28 PM

17. Nope. It Would Be Totally Ineffective and Divisive...

...because the only people who follow it are the people who are vaccinated and wearing masks in any event, Republicans Governors in the States that are hardest hit will refuse to enforce it, and the unvaccinated folks who most need to be vaccinated and wear masks will double down in fighting against what Fox News/OANN/Newsmax will call tyranny while the while claim that it is all a hoax.

The better approach is to issue the guidance, be consistent, tell the truth, and hope folks slowly come to their senses, and it seems that some are doing as the pace of vaccination has increased.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 05:03 PM

7. Instead of discussing a "lockdown" how about we advocate for a "lockup" of all the

anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers (except for those few with valid medical reasons). Bail would be
given when each person was fully vaxxed. I've been advocating for this for some time now.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 07:05 PM

8. Public opinion as molded by media vs science based policy

is a pretty big problem

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 07:21 PM

11. Good!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 07:46 PM

12. I strongly dislike the term lockdown

Lockdown sounds like house arrest. I don't think anyone in the US was ever "locked down". Our restaurants, gyms and many stores were closed for a time, but we could still go on drives, go for walks, hikes, etc.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 09:35 PM

15. I wouldn't mind sitting this thing out in China . . .

.

They don't fu*k around with this "freedumb" thing.

Check the stats > https://covid-19canada.com/#global-statistics
You can sort the columns with the little arrows above them

DEATHS

Global 4,239,692

USA 629,000+

Canada 26,000+

China 4,600+

Ontario - the Province I live in - 9,347


ps: My 12 yr old Air Conditioner made in China still purrs like a kitten

jus' sayin'



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Response to Worried2020 (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 09:43 PM

16. I would not go quite that far ...

the numbers coming out of China are, how shall we say, questionable ... I'd head for for New Zealand.

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Response to SarcasticSatyr (Reply #16)

Mon Aug 2, 2021, 06:59 AM

21. The reason New Zealand keeps its numbers low is that they won't let

anyone in there. So we can't all just head for it.

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Response to Worried2020 (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 3, 2021, 04:46 PM

30. I believe China's #'s like I believe the moon is made out of cheese. nt

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 5, 2021, 03:00 AM

31. You might wanna check out different sources,

.

like the WHO, and just about every other organization that is following this pandemic.

China has an authoritarian government - what they decree - happens.

I believe the stats.

The Chinese attack every outbreak quickly and efficiently.

We complain about restrictions to be "free".

We ignore unenforced guidelines . . .

We lose.

(sigh)

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Response to Worried2020 (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 5, 2021, 01:03 PM

32. All those different sources have to rely on the figures China gives them

China has an authoritarian government...and does not like to look bad or lose face.

The press freedom index was used as an indicator to measure the level of freedom to journalists in the country. China ranked on 177th place among 180 surveyed countries.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 10:33 PM

18. In my view that is NOT the thing to say.


First he says masks aren't needed. Then a few weeks later. everybody should wear a mask...

Now a lockdown will not be needed........


DUH !!!!

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Response to HUAJIAO (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 2, 2021, 05:57 AM

20. I agree 100% n/t

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Response to HUAJIAO (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 2, 2021, 07:23 AM

22. I think he is just being realistic.

Seems US has decided we have to learn to live with it (those who won't die from it), no matter what. We are having mass concerts, for crying out loud. We don't even seem to be trying that hard to reduce transmission.

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Response to HUAJIAO (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 3, 2021, 01:16 PM

27. I agree.

Dr. Fauci and others should refrain from making predictions.

I read today another variant has spread in Latin America, and there are concerns that this one may be more resistant to vaccines than Delta.

A daily situation report would be better--just the facts, without speculation or possibly unwise predictions.

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Response to HUAJIAO (Reply #18)

Fri Aug 6, 2021, 03:03 AM

33. "We don't know at this time." -- Fauci, please try it on for size

Dr. Fauci, when you're operating in unknown circumstances, it's ok to not have an answer, and it's ok to say you don't have an answer. In fact, it's infinitely preferable to pretending you have the answers.

Just give us the info you have and leave it at that. Every time you flip or speak off the cuff you destroy a bit of credibility for the organization that you're paid very handsomely to represent. That diminished credibility leads to people not following the well-informed guidance that you do eventually issue.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:15 AM

23. I hope he's correct

And that modified behavior will blunt this spike.

If NOT...

The latest CDC weekly report (30 Jul) said the 7-day average of new daily cases rose from 40597 the week before to 66606, a 64.1% increase.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

IF the percentage rate of weekly increase remains the same, that would yield 2.69 times the current average in 2 weeks, 7.25 times the current average in four weeks, etc. This could lead to more restrictions, more virtual school starting at or shortly after area schools begin in late August, etc.

I hope that the current spike will subside as more people get vaccinated, modify their behavior from 2019-style 4th of July behavior, etc., BUT I'm fearful that many won't change (until their noses get rubbed in it).

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Response to nitpicker (Reply #23)

Tue Aug 3, 2021, 02:53 PM

29. Then lets rub their noses in it...




make them ashamed to go maskless and not get vaccinated. Then, like NYC, no vaccination, no mask ?--- no restaurants, no concerts, no bars, no indoor sports, etc...anything not indispensable.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Aug 3, 2021, 01:18 PM

28. Because tens of millions of US citizens refuse to sacrifice for the common good

A sign of a declining society.

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