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Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:15 PM

Trump tax returns can be released to Congress, DOJ says

Source: CNBC

The income tax returns of former President Donald Trump can be released by the IRS to Congress, the Department of Justice said Friday.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/trump-tax-returns-can-be-released-to-congress-doj-says.html

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Reply Trump tax returns can be released to Congress, DOJ says (Original post)
Dr. Jack Jul 30 OP
hlthe2b Jul 30 #1
yaesu Jul 30 #2
IronLionZion Jul 30 #11
Champp Jul 30 #3
former9thward Jul 30 #4
PSPS Jul 30 #9
former9thward Jul 30 #17
maxsolomon Jul 30 #21
UnderThisLaw Jul 30 #22
former9thward Jul 30 #23
UnderThisLaw Jul 30 #24
former9thward Jul 30 #29
UnderThisLaw Jul 30 #30
summer_in_TX Jul 30 #31
pnwmom Jul 30 #5
Pinback Jul 30 #8
ancianita Jul 30 #12
dalton99a Jul 30 #6
ancianita Jul 30 #7
SergeStorms Jul 30 #10
ancianita Jul 30 #13
OMGWTF Jul 30 #15
calimary Jul 30 #14
Justice matters. Jul 30 #16
riversedge Jul 30 #18
Picaro Jul 30 #19
PSPS Jul 30 #20
twodogsbarking Jul 30 #25
keithbvadu2 Jul 30 #26
GB_RN Jul 30 #27
gab13by13 Jul 30 #28
Kablooie Jul 31 #32

Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:19 PM

1. "Can" or "Must"...? Two competing wordings in reports on this and it makes a big difference.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:22 PM

2. it must be can. nt

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:51 PM

11. Must. Congress requested it officially. nt

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:31 PM

3. k and r

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:33 PM

4. They were already released to the New York Times almost a year ago.

Eighteen years worth. The DOJ could just tell Congress to pick up a paper.

I post a link to the AP because the NYT has a paywall for me.

https://apnews.com/article/ruth-bader-ginsburg-courts-donald-trump-7e1d23d1e381ae3e0be6cb293338c05e

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Response to former9thward (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:20 PM

9. I think that was just the state tax returns and didn't include the most recent years.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:37 PM

17. They were federal returns and went through his return of 2017.

So 1999 to 2017 which would include his first year of his term.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:30 PM

21. IIRC, those were summaries.

Not the detailed returns.

I could be wrong.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:10 PM

22. Are you sure?

I was told here that leaking tax returns was a violation of federal law. We all hope the times got these legally, right? I can’t handle all this contradictory info

I also hope your statement about Congress picking up a papEr was kidding

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215680769

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Response to UnderThisLaw (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:18 PM

23. No I was not kidding.

And yes the Times got them because someone broke the law. That has never stopped a paper from running a story.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:21 PM

24. You must be some lawyer

Read a paper when you can access the source documents?

PS

I presume there’s an investigation into this illegal release of info

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Response to UnderThisLaw (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:41 PM

29. Yes, my clients think I am.

You would wait a year or more to get the "source" document when you can pick up a paper and get 99% of the relevant information for an investigation? Bizarre to say the least.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:49 PM

30. Don't you lawyers have a saying

“Assumes facts not in evidence”? Who says 99% of the relevant info is in the paper?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 11:41 PM

31. I would think there could be doubt as to authenticity when a newspaper publishes

leaked documents.

Wouldn't documents from the Treasury Department have a higher presumed level of credibility whether or not the NYT's documents were identical?

Only by seeing the Treasury Department's documents would the NYT's be authoritatively verified, even though I'm quite sure they went through a process to verify them.

Are those NYT's docs part of what Mary Trump gave them?

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:35 PM

5. The article AND the actual document says "must."

https://www.justice.gov/olc/file/1419111/download

IV.
For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the Secretary must comply with the Ways and Means Committee’s June 16, 2021 request pursuant to 26 U.S.C. § 6103(f)(1) to furnish the Committee with the specified tax returns and related tax information.
DAWN JOHNSEN
Acting Assistant Attorney General Office of Legal Counsel

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:17 PM

8. Excellent. Thanks for the clarification. (nt)

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:52 PM

12. Thanks. Wow. 39 pages of "foregoing reasons."

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:37 PM

6. Kick

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:49 PM

10. So the "audit" must finally be over?

That will go down in history as the loooooooooongest tax audit in IRS history.

If course MF45 didn't do anything wrong, so he has nothing to worry about.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:53 PM

13. Now the real audit begins.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:24 PM

15. THIS!!!!

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:11 PM

14. Well, donald? If you've done nothing wrong, what are you afraid of?

If you’ve done nothing wrong, why are you hiding them and fighting so hard to keep them secret?

I remember seeing that somewhere else, not long ago, asked of him by somebody else: “what are you afraid of?”

Maybe that’s the question he needs to be asked again and again and again and again, by voice, I print, on the air, on cable, online. “What are you afraid of?”

Ask it enough, make sure it comes up a LOT, and pretty soon the subliminal messaging is - “he’s afraid! AFRAID!” And it can more easily sink into the public mindset: “donald is afraid…” And how does THAT work for your “Mr. Invincible” image, donald? The last thing he wants is for a mantle of fearfulness settling in a n his shoulders and taking up permanent residence. Oooooh, look! He’s afraid! He’s scared! He’s knocked off his game. That image he’s so carefully cultivated over the years, all-powerful, owns this/owns that/owns everything, master of his domain (so to speak- I was discussing “Seinfeld” in another thread just now…). And there goes his “image.” Fittingly enough, with bright yellow hair. To match the yellow going all the way down his back.


Cough ‘em up, donald. Let’s see what you’re hiding. We already have our suspicions, as it as.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:29 PM

16. Lock MF45 terrorist up.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:06 PM

18. way past time.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:17 PM

19. One post uses the word "must" and this post uses the word "can"

Which is it? The distinction is very important to the meaning and impact of the story.

“Must” means that this is a court order that must be complied with.

“Can” means that the DOJ has waived off the assertion off the spurious claims of executive privilege, but has not ordered the release.

Would love a clarification.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 04:27 PM

20. Never should have been an issue. The statute cleraly states that the returns "shall" be provided.

Trump's hand-picked toady Rettig is still heading the IRS. He'll probably try to ignore/fight this too.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:59 PM

25. Prepared in crayon and sharpie.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:20 PM

26. No whining, Donald. After all, you did promise to release them.

No whining, Donald.

After all, you did promise to release them.

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As if your word means anything.

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(He will whine.)

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:33 PM

27. The Law Under Which The Request For His Taxes...

Was made was not in any way ambiguous, and said that the Secretary of the Treasury “shall comply”, so I don’t know why this is even controversial. Nor do I (yes I do 🙄 ) understand why it’s taken so long, nor had to go through all of this BS.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:33 PM

28. Barbara McQuade

was just on Ari Melber and stated that MF45 can't delay turning over the taxes. She stated that the executive branch has control of the taxes and must turn them over to Congress.

I assume she is correct because I expected a drawn out fight but she said the taxes could be delivered tonight.

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