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Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:47 AM

American Airlines cancels flight after teens refuse to wear masks

Source: MSN

American Airlines was forced to cancel a flight from North Carolina to the Bahamas after a group of 30 teenagers refused to wear face masks - and they were then forced to sleep in the airport overnight because they were too young to check into a hotel.

Flight 893 was scheduled to depart from Charlotte Douglas International Airport enroute to Nassau on Monday when passengers say the group of teens from Boston started being 'very obnoxious'.

Fellow passengers say the group, aged 17 and 18, refused to wear their masks as required.

The group were believed to be on their way to the Bahamas for a graduation trip.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/american-airlines-cancels-flight-after-teens-refuse-to-wear-masks/ar-AALQkuR



Idiots. Shouldnt let them fly period. And fine them. Maybe not let them fly for 5 yrs.

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Reply American Airlines cancels flight after teens refuse to wear masks (Original post)
oldsoftie Jul 7 OP
brewens Jul 7 #1
usaf-vet Jul 7 #66
TheBlackAdder Jul 8 #126
DenaliDemocrat Jul 8 #128
Sherman A1 Jul 7 #2
oldsoftie Jul 7 #4
Rorey Jul 7 #6
RussBLib Jul 7 #101
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certainot Jul 7 #58
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3Hotdogs Jul 7 #107
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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:51 AM

1. Because they're kids, I'd go along with a five year ban but lifetime probation as far

as flying. Any more trouble and it's a lifetime ban.

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Response to brewens (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:37 AM

66. Because they are kids? Really, so if they bring a weapon to school what should society expect.

At 74 I have spent a lifetime obeying the laws and the rules society has established.

Why should any of us have to put up with those who think they can do whatever the F**K! they want.

What we will end up with is MORE like the TFG who thinks he or she is entitled to do whatever they please. How has that worked out for us?

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Response to brewens (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 01:09 AM

126. They should also be forced to pay all airport & passenger costs too, along with a hefty fine.

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Now there isn't a return flight for those in the Bahamas, and they have to scramble or pay too.

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Response to brewens (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 06:37 AM

128. And now we find out, it's shitty American Airlines

I was ready to crucify the kids until I found out AA once again had “mechanical issues” and left the kids on the tarmac for two hours in Charlotte heat and humidity with NO air conditioning.

So the kids took their masks off and told AA to get bent. I have to fly AA for work - I hate them. I prefer United. AA sucks and is always rated the lowest of the major airlines

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:52 AM

2. I hope that they are simply sent home

and not rebooked and lose the ticket price that was paid for their "graduation" trip as they obviously have not graduated into polite society.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:55 AM

4. Yes, I dont know why you get to fly after YOU were the problem!

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:58 AM

6. They did get to fly the next day

Hopefully it at least bothered them that they had to miss a day in the Bahamas.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:06 PM

101. only after agreeing to wear masks on the second flight

so why not just wear the damn mask on the 1st flight?

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:34 AM

13. NO! It's not their fault. Affluenza should be treated as a recognized disability.

If the parents' income is above $300k, kids should be given a pass for behavior that would not be tolerated by our kids.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:49 AM

58. affluenza increases sex on the wrong brain, the theory suggests, since those kids have more

liesure time, access to computer porn, and privacy - don't have to share rooms, bigger dwellings

hence more masturbation and hence more sex on the wrong brain - meaning more greed and authoritarian tendencies

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:52 AM

59. No, they won't learn responsibility by getting yet another pass because of their parents.


That is just more privilege

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:03 AM

62. Sorry. Not sorry.

I hope you forgot the "dripping sarcasm" emoji. These are not children, they're young adults. This is just another example of spoiled rich kids who think they should be able to do whatever they want, and screw the rules.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:02 PM

79. are you serious?

their parents didn't teach them, someone has to.

I think you may not be serious, but i'm gullible.

no, you must be joking.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #79)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:29 PM

90. I would guess not serious

Should have used the sarcasm tag.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 03:04 PM

108. Emoji takes the fun out of stuff.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #79)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 03:03 PM

107. Yes, I'm joking. Emoji takes the fun out of stuff.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #107)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 03:47 PM

112. Agreed! Sarcasm should be implicit!

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #107)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 04:47 PM

117. Emoji does not substitute for thought

but it does substitute nicely for the tone of voice which makes spoken sarcasm so obvious as a rule.

Of course, if you speak deadpan sarcasm, people around you cone to understand that. But I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect people to grasp written sarcasm, even over time, especially in a community this size.

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Response to soldierant (Reply #117)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:59 PM

122. Honestly, I sometimes omit the sarcasm emoji when I think my

sarcasm should be obvious to the most casual observer. Alas, that's not always the case.

You are right about tone of voice. In person to person conversation, tone of voice matters a lot. In printed exchanges, such as here on DU, the tone of voice has no way to come across.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #122)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 03:33 PM

133. Thanks.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #107)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 05:11 PM

118. i bet it just tickles you

to know that hapless believers like me are thinking, WHAT?!

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 04:03 PM

113. Yeah, I don't remember having $2,000 burning a hole in my pocket for flights and a hotel when...

I was 17.

What money I earned my senior year was going to college expenses.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:55 AM

3. I think anyone who refuses to abide by an airlines rules, needs to be put on a do not fly list

They are a danger to others and themselves


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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:00 AM

7. I agree, with one exception

We've heard about numerous families of toddlers who get kicked off of flights because the toddler wouldn't keep their mask on. I think two years old is a bit young.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:04 AM

8. I agree. A 17 and 18 year old person, is old enough to understand what rules

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Response to Rorey (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:04 PM

80. do you have a link?

i haven't heard of one.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #80)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:14 PM

86. Here's just one of many



If you go to youtube and put family kicked off plane two year old in the search bar there are LOTS.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #86)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:24 PM

89. thank you.

that's not fair imo. 2 years old, it's not that simple.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #89)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:35 PM

92. I was worried

My son, his wife, and their two-year-old flew about a month ago. It was a pleasure trip, so I wasn't really happy that they were going during the pandemic, but it wasn't my decision. They started working on getting her adjusted to wear a mask about a month ahead of time. She did pretty good, but she definitely wasn't always in compliance. Fortunately they didn't get kicked off any of their flights. Even more fortunately, she didn't get sick. I was much more worried about that last possible scenario than about them getting kicked off of a flight.

I wonder if it's other passengers complaining in a lot of these cases of toddlers getting kicked off. My son said that on the way back my granddaughter hardly had her mask on at all and nobody said anything. On top of that, she was very grumpy. It was a pretty big trip for a two-year-old. On about the 8th day she said she wanted to go home. She missed her toys and her room and her routine. I could have told them that was going to happen, but I kept my mouth shut so they could learn their own lessons.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #86)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:24 PM

103. Did United really do that?? You've got to be kidding me!

That's a two year old! That is so far over the top I don't know where to begin.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #86)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 03:21 PM

109. Except he wasn't holding the mask over her face. He was just sitting there with her.

I don't know what to think about the age of required mask wearing. But listening to that guy lie pissed me off.

Edit: He never even tried to get her to wear it because it wasn't bent at all. At least he could have seen if she could handle it. He couldn't have made it into a game or something. And I don't know when this was and/or if people had access to vaccinations at that point.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #109)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 03:28 PM

110. I don't know

It was the first video that popped up. It probably wasn't the best example.

As I said up above, my son and his wife started working with their two year old about a month before they flew. She was pretty good about keeping her mask on at the beginning of their trip, but by the time the return trip rolled around, she was not a happy camper about it.

I thought they were being very ambitious with their vacation plans, but I learned a long time ago to just enjoy the grandkids and keep my unasked-for-advice to myself, so I kept my mouth shut.

Editing to add: They actually invited me to go with them, and I knew it was best to decline.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:20 PM

123. Toddlers in my family wear a mask.

Depends on the parents. Both are teachers and have taught their children well. One just turned 5 the other will be 2 this month.

Both have been tested for COVID.

Teach your children well.Protect others as you wish others to protect you.

It is the sign of the times.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:22 AM

63. Agreed! But add anyone regardless of age to the no fly list if they refuse to wear....

... a mask. That includes anyone who gets on a plane wearing a mask then takes it off once in the air. That would make sure no other passenger would have to deal with having to sit with those maskless idiots in the future.

That is why I will not fly until a universal set of rules are in place that ensures my safety.

Put them on the no-fly list. Immediately. If they are sure they will not be able to book a return flight MAYBE they will follow the safety rules to protect others.

What is this country headed for if 17-year-olds think that NO law or rules apply to them? Enough already!

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 04:34 PM

116. That's a good idea.. look at all the

shite they caused.. and for WHAT?!

I'd be mad as hell if were on that plane going to the Bahamas & it was cancelled because of their refusal to abide by the simple rules of putting on the Masks.

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Response to Cha (Reply #116)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:23 AM

130. Hey, Cha! Happy DU anniversary!

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #130)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 03:27 PM

132. Hey Aloha Scrivener! I wasn't sure

what you meant until I remembered they said that's when I started.. I thought it was in late Sept.. lol I was early!

Mahalo

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 06:56 AM

5. Bratty, entitled jerks

They shouldn't have gotten to fly the next day either, but they did. Hopefully they learned that there are consequences for actions.

I've watched videos about passengers who can't seem to figure out how to behave properly, and it seems that the airlines generally just move them to the next available flight. Maybe if the consequences of the bad behavior were a little more severe, we wouldn't have so many people thinking they can do whatever the hell they want.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:24 AM

28. Brats😂

Must be from Cawthorn’s district.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:52 AM

40. Nope--article said they're from Boston.

Not everyone in Cawthorn’s district is stupid—only about 48 percent of us!

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Response to mtngirl47 (Reply #40)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:01 AM

46. Sorry

I thought the flight was from N.C. I feel your 48 percent pain. I live a few miles west of you. Meadow’s district. I think it is closer to 65 percent stupid here, maybe much higher.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:16 AM

49. The flight WAS from NC

Probably a connecting flight from Charlotte.

Uh - Meadows doesn't HAVE a district anymore. He went to work for the Trump administration and his district was won by that little brat Cawthorn.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #49)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:33 AM

52. I know

Meadows is gone. But he is still loved here. Hendersonville, Cawthorns stomping ground, is a wealthy area where Bratness can breed. Waynesville’s wealth is seasonal old Floridiots no longer breeding young brats. Full time people here are just hard core guns, Jesus, Dollar store Trump cultist. They ALSO love Cawthorn. Every 1/2 mile is a church, gun store and Dollar store. Trump is God.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:36 AM

53. Also

The very wealthy seasonal next me, all fly Trump flags while here, and proudly wear Red hats and Trump attire. The ONLY thing they have in common with full time low income natives. Trump.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:03 PM

100. I'm sort of your neighbor

Although I live in the northwestern mountains. My rep is the reprehensible Virginia Foxx.

I've been to your area several times in recent years. It's very beautiful there, but yeah there's a lot of crazy (just like around here).

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Response to moose65 (Reply #49)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:54 AM

76. I wonder...

Now that Meadows is no longer a White House staffer and Cawthorn is an embarrassment, could Meadows primary him next year and get his old job back? As bad as Meadows was, he’s miles ahead of what they have now.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #76)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:26 PM

104. ?????

Miles ahead? Meadows belongs in prison. It will be shown he helped on insurrection access. ANYBODY that knows every square centimeter of trump’s prostate has no business being elected to anything. Maybe cell block toilet inspector. But here in North Carolina, he could win Governor’s seat, JUST because he assisted trump in everything criminal and evil and has “access” to that prostate hole. Besides, When Trump is reinstated in August, he may be VP. Pence is done.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:53 AM

41. From the NE US, not NC

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:05 AM

9. ALL passengers, including DISRUPTIVE teens rebooked........

whow. they cause a problem and huge delay and get to fly.--and eat.






............All passengers, including the ones who caused the initial disruption, were rebooked onto the new flight after they agreed to wear their face masks.

Those on the flight were given hotel and meal vouchers while they waited for the new flight.

The teens, however, were unable to check in to a hotel due to age requirements and had to sleep in the airport instead.


Prior to the mask incident unfolding, the aircraft had experienced technical difficulties, which meant all passengers had to change planes and were already delayed.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:13 AM

10. Perhaps teenagers should be told they are required NOT

to wear masks when travelling. The teenage rebellious spirit will have them demanding to wear them.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:20 AM

11. I would have given them the following choice

Either wear a mask or walk (or swim) the rest of the way to your destination. They knew the rules before they boarded the first flight at Logan.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:29 AM

12. Well at least they lost a day in the Sun.

And the bedding at the airport motel is not that comfortable.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:46 AM

37. That's the only bright side; they didn't get lodging!

The little shits couldn't be booked in a hotel because of their ages. They had to sleep in the airport itself. I'm sure once they got bored of vandalizing the restrooms it was a long night.

I feel sorry for the twenty percent or so of the kids who, according to witnesses, weren't causing trouble, and for the rest of the passengers who got screwed over. Hopefully the punks will get what they deserve when they arrive back home, but trump trash are already declaring them Heroes of the Revolution (because the rotten little turds didn't cause them problems) in various forums.

https://viewfromthewing.com/teenagers-who-staged-a-mask-protest-forced-to-spend-night-in-charlotte-airport/

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #37)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:31 AM

51. Aren't some of them 18?

18 year olds can’t book a room?

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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #51)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:53 AM

60. No

Most hotels won’t let you book at 18.

They assume you’re gonna party and trash the place.

It was an issue when I had to send my oldest off to a college event. Because he was traveling to the other coast we had to send him the day prior because the start time was early enough that he wouldn’t have made it by flying the same day.

After numerous calls, we finally found one small hotel that would allow him a room. And this wasn’t a small city either - it was Pittsburgh.

(Campus housing wasn’t available that early)

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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 01:27 PM

131. I believe you have to be 25 to book a hotel room or rent a car. n/t

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:07 PM

82. the floor at the airport even less so. nt

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:36 AM

14. Go to the Bahamss for a graduation trip?

They must think they are really special.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:49 AM

17. Agreed

My graduation trip was to go to work the next day, saving money for college.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:53 AM

61. Exactly the same here.

Cap and gown one day, back to the warehouse the next.

Screw these little pigs *AND* their parents. A $20K fine, felony, and lifetime ban from flying would have been about right.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:11 AM

70. My next day was off to the military recruiters office signed up and left for basic in October.

Three H.S. buddies signed up together.

We went through basic training together graduated 8 weeks later and that was the last time I saw them.

Still haven't seen them 50+ years later. A letter now and then.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:15 AM

48. Graduation trip?

Wtf is a graduation trip? Bfd, you made it through high school.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:41 AM

73. Graduation trip? What's that?

Glad these entitled brats got what was coming to them.

Good.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:01 PM

120. My class did it in '78. Bahamas isnt that expensive

Although we took an old cruise liner instead of flying; Ga is a lot closer than Boston
Each class did it for years.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:36 AM

15. This does not bode well for their future success in life.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:20 AM

25. They're rich

Rich kids don't have to be intelligent or moral. Just look at Trump.

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Response to Mysterian (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:29 AM

31. Affluenza

Rules are for us peasants.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:45 AM

16. These idiots will be on no fly list

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:54 AM

18. Thanks Trump

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:01 AM

19. Brett Kavanaugh's in training

nt

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:02 AM

20. How were they allowed to even get to Charlotte from Boston, not wearing masks?

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:12 AM

21. My first thought as well.

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:49 AM

39. They began their "protest" after the second flight boarded.

American Airlines flight AA893 from Charlotte to Nassau went mechanical on Monday, and the airline switched aircraft to get passengers on their way. Already delayed several hours, tensions were running high. And a group of high school students on board chose the moment they were on their second aircraft, ready to depart, to stage a mask protest that “lasted for hours.”

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:00 AM

44. Ah, that makes sense now. Thanks!

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:07 PM

83. i figured that had to be it.

they would have stalled out in Boston if they weren't wearing masks.

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Response to Grokenstein (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 06:40 AM

129. Not what is being reported now.

Winer said the passengers of flight 893 bound for the Bahamas sat on the aircraft in Charlotte for about two hours awaiting resolution of a mechanical issue with the flight, and "during this time some passengers including the students may have removed masks due to no air-conditioning/ventilation, quite unbearable conditions."

So, they let the kids bake on a hot tarmac with no AC for two hours and the kids took their masks off. If this is true, why didn’t AA deplane them?

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:13 AM

22. Five years on "no-fly" ought to do it.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 07:59 PM

119. Sounds reasonabe to me. And sends a strong message. nt

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:13 AM

23. And they all died happily thereafter.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:16 AM

24. Young MAGATS get no sympathy from me.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:20 AM

26. Should have been kicked off the flight

why inconvenience the other passengers? And why no parental chaperones?


rocktivity

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:23 AM

27. If I were American Airlines, I'd make everyone get off the plane, have the kids arrrested

on their way out, and then have all the good customers brought back on and fly away.

The other passengers shouldn't have to be punished because a bunch of masshole parents in Boston don't know how to raise children.

Then ban each of those kids from all flights on all airlines for the next five years. Let their families feel the sting of their failure to raise human beings or let the kids feel the sting of not listening to their moral instruction if they had it. Fuck 'em.

I have no tolerance for misbehavior on an airplane or any other place where people are in tight quarters and a level of civility is required to ensure quality for everyone.

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Response to Rabrrrrrr (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:32 AM

32. Their passports should be revoked too

I'm sure no other countries want these jerks anyway.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:39 AM

35. After I posted that, I was thinking that there should be a marker on passports

to let airlines, hotels, and any other places that require passports from travelers, which marker would be "This person is an entitled shitstain" and then make it legal for hotels, airlines, and etc. to charge the "entitled shitstain" surcharge of an extra $100/day or whatever to cover the extra expenses needed for entitled shitstains using hotel towels to dye their shoes, or for being obnoxious to waitstaff at the restaurant or bar, or using every fucking towel in the bathroom every fucking day and leaving them soaking wet on the floor, or demanding constant alcohol service on the plane while talking loudly and shouting "Do you know who my grandfather was?!"

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Response to Rabrrrrrr (Reply #35)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:37 PM

93. .....



I want to travel with you!

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Response to Rabrrrrrr (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:13 PM

84. exactly

This is another example of white privilege, compounded by affluenza.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:26 AM

29. But they got national news attention with their stunt. Was on ABC Nightly News.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:34 AM

33. Instead of feeling shame, I'm sure they just got bragging rights from that.

"We were on the news!!!"

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:29 AM

30. Teens who will be college kids next year.

They're old enough to know better. The teens were not going to be told what to do and didn't follow the mask rules. Glad to see they got to face consequences for their actions.

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Response to dreamland (Reply #30)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:49 AM

68. As someone who will be back to teaching US university students...

in the Fall, at a major party school that refuses to implement mask and vaccine mandates, I'm legitimately fuming.
This Fall semester is going to be a shitshow.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:39 AM

34. It's bad reporting, that is for sure......

They never actually said the flight was delayed because of the obnoxious teens. It sounds like it was an airplane problem that caused the delays, and the group was being obnoxious during the delay.

That would explain the vouchers and reticketing.

The flight wasn't held up because of jerks, but the jerks were pissing everyone else off during the delay.

Still, the airline should have dropped the hammer on them. No doubt parents lawyers were on the phone with the airline threatening them.

Maybe they should have their tickets canceled while in the bahamas. Let them deal with the bahamian gov't. Mommy can charter a plane to bring them home.


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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #34)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:04 AM

47. The initial delay was caused by the mechanical problem....


.... but they were transferred to a different plane, then the kids caused the problem.

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Response to marmar (Reply #47)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:31 AM

65. Yeah, though that part isn't clear eithrr.....

They never actually said why the flight was canceled. Airlines are pretty quick about getting cops on board to declare unruly passengers.

I've flown a LOT. It is far more likely the second flight got a ground hold which delayed it long enough that the crew expired.

I've had an uncounted number of flights canceled because of expired crews. They can only work so many hours in a day, and if they won't land before that limit they can't take off.

It's likely aa didn't have another crew that night so the flight got canceled.

The jerks just made matters worse.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:42 AM

36. There must not have been an adult traveling with them if they were "too young to check into a hotel"

So...who made all their reservations and travel arrangements in the Bahamas?

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:46 AM

38. There ought to be multi-year flight bans, for them AND their parents.

And detailed full-body-cavity searches by airport security personnel. I sure as hell don't want to share any flights with these little snots, anytime soon...

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Response to Paladin (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:24 AM

64. Nah, not for the parents.

Even the best and most engaged parent can end up with a pain in the ass kid, especially in the teen years. I knew kids growing up whose parents were perfectly normal people who taught them right from wrong, but then the "rebellious teen" switch got flipped. Most of them had grown out of it by the time we graduated high school, though. Still, punishing parents for the behavior of their kids isn't something I'd support, especially for the ones who were 18 and therefore legal adults.

Now if the parent defended their precious punkin and maintained that they'd done nothing wrong, then they can share in the kid's punishment. If that had been my kid, I'd have been like, "Guess who's not going to the Bahamas? That's right, pal, it's you. Bring your silly ass home. By the way, your summer vacation is going to be significantly less fun than you imagined."

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:57 AM

42. Really.

Anyone who would let a face mask keep them from going to the Bahamas is simply an idiot. The place is beautiful

I agree with the OP. Since these teens actions ended up canceling a flight they should all be banned for 5 yrs from flying and any cost incurred by AA or other passengers on the flight who had to find lodging and/or a new means of transportation to the Bahamas should have to be paid by the teens.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 08:59 AM

43. I flew the other day

A guy sitting ahead of me on the other side of the plane had a mask on his neck, in spite of the constant recored reminders of mandatory masking. He was probably in my age group. The attendants looked like they were early 20's. He was reminded at least twice to cover his face, and he complied. As soon as the attendant went on their way, he dropped it down again. I didn't see anyone else being so stupid. I would've been happy to see him booted or for the flight to be cancelled.

It was a drive of almost 2 hours to get to the airport, and then about 5 hours in terminals and planes, then almost another hour of driving. I wore my mask the whole freaking time.

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:37 AM

54. mask

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:00 AM

45. No Matter What You Do...

Airlines don't like to press charges or make a fuss. They think it's bad PR. These people who attack airline personnel usually get a fine or ban. How many of them have gone to jail for five years?

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:28 AM

50. Graduation trip to the islands?

So Natalee Holloway fantasy camp?

Seriously though, letting them complete their trip the next day seems a little generous, even if they finally decided to comply. I bet their rich, entitled parents were just outraged. I agree that the airline should have banned them for two years. A day's delay isn't enough of a consequence.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:38 AM

55. Hard on the rest of the passengers.

I guess they could not kick the kids off and then take the rest to the Bahamas; no profit in that.

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Response to treestar (Reply #55)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 02:28 PM

106. Shouldn't Have Mattered

There was no refund, so the airline got 100% of the revenue.
There was no loss to them in taking the rest of the passengers.
The shouldn't have had to cancel that flight and inconvenience everybody else.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:41 AM

56. Not that this is ANY excuse for their behavior, but Amer Air brings this on themselves

We flew last summer and had a long stop at the Charlotte airport. AA did not enforce masking in their planes, ticketing areas, anywhere in the hub. We complained to TSA and were told to talk to AA. We complained to AA and they said to talk to airport admin. Airport admin told us to call the Charlotte police. It was ridiculous.

The teens should definitely face/have faced consequences, but AA is hardly a beacon of compliance here.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:45 AM

57. Definitely should

be fined and not allowed to fly for several years.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 10:47 AM

67. Wow! I feel so

pwned!

Let's see..... on the one hand, a vacation in the Bahamas.... on the other.... sleeping in the airport and making somebody's shit list....

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:00 AM

69. Fining them would be highly appropriate.

If my flight got cancelled because a group of selfish people (regardless of age) decided to pull a stunt like this, I'd be pretty hacked off - especially if I was headed to a funeral, a job interview, a wedding, or anything else like that.

For what it's worth, having a group like this chaperoned doesn't always make a difference -

I was once on a transatlantic flight from Europe that was almost cancelled because of a group of teenagers. They were American teens presumably on their way back to the US after some sort of group trip, and they were very, very excited. They simply wouldn't shut up, and none of them seems to have ever learned what an "indoor voice" is.

Before we boarded, I personally asked their chaperone (teacher?) if she could get them to cool off. I'm hearing-impaired, and their noise made it impossible for me to hear announcements. (I would imagine even passengers with full hearing also found it difficult.) She mumbled something about how kids are going to be kids, but that she'd try. If she did, it made no impact.

(For the record - I know teens get excited when they travel. I was once such a teen. Heck, I still get excited, depending on where I'm going. But excitement crosses a line when it interferes with other passengers' efforts to hear announcements or sleep on the plane.)

We were allowed to proceed only because the chaperone assured the gate agents and flight attendants that the teens would behave once they got on the plane.

That lasted until a few minutes after takeoff. To this good day, I don't know why the plane wasn't diverted so these passengers could be taken off.

And the punch line? They were all seated toward the back of the plane (a Boeing 777, IIRC) and were facing a tight connection - so once we landed, their chaperone asked them, loudly enough for the rest of us to hear, to "start working your way forward." The chaperone was literally telling them to start cutting in front of other passengers, many of whom (including me) also had tight connections.

The teens started to do this, but they didn't get far. No one on the plane seemed inclined to make way for them.

No idea if they made their connection.

I really, really hope they didn't behave like that in Europe.

Had the flight been cancelled or delayed because of this poorly-led group, I'd have done something to hold them and ESPECIALLY their chaperone accountable.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:14 AM

71. Of course these stupid teens were born after 9/11

Last edited Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:12 PM - Edit history (1)

and don't know what flying while brown was like for many years afterwards. It's a bad move since they don't apparently fear or know the consequences.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #71)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:53 AM

75. Could you please send a link to the photos, I cannot locate them.

I watched the video of the woman speaking and she stated the students had been removed. The photo of the young man behind her was taken as she stated the students had been removed, I took that to mean he wasn’t part of the group of students.

The photo of the black man with dreads(Malik, unsure of last name) stated he was sitting close to the students, wasn’t a part of the group.

I may not make it back to this site until later, thank you in advance for the link.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:23 AM

72. Where

Are the Air Marshals 😤

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:48 AM

74. Send 'em back to Boston

I can guess which suburbs these brats might have been from. That degree of assholery should have gotten the trip canceled, although I'm sure the reality of trying to get any sleep at all either sitting bolt upright or lying on a cement floor was the worst thing that ever happened to any of them.

Just imagine what their parents must be like.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:00 PM

77. wow. they gave up their trip

and for what?! assholes.

I recently flew from RDU to IND and before every flight, the attendant reiterated the rules regarding mask wearing. On only one of 4 flights, there were a couple people who gave them grief. But they complied and we were able to take off. I would be beyond pissed if i was a passenger on this flight.

This is no time to be dissing the mask. I don't plan to ever stop wearing one.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:02 PM

78. And now there are 130 masked passengers who got fucked

The plane used on this route is a Boeing 737-800, which seats 160. Because of 30 infants with pubic hair, 130 people had to call their Bahamas hotels, rental car agencies, airport shuttles, and whatever else they had reserved down there and try to talk them out of cancelling their reservations and keeping their money.

I take it having the airport police escort these little brats off the jet and allowing the 130 mask-compliant pax to proceed to their destination was out of the question.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #78)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:32 PM

91. They and their parents should have been fined

the entire cost of chartering another jet on the spot to make sure every reservation was honored.

Nothing to get the attention of little asswipes and their stupid parents like a nice $15-20K fine.

Anyone causing any delay, whatsoever, wherever, should be made personally responsible for 100 percent of the costs anyone incurs because of it; always. You have no more right to steal time from people than you do money or goods.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #91)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:55 PM

97. Why "charter" another jet when they have one sitting there?

Just kick their asses off, line ‘em up against the window and make ‘em watch as the 130 people who agreed to wear masks go bye-bye.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #97)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:02 PM

99. If that was feasible, sure

Still, the little jerks should be made to *pay* EVERY CENT that anyone lost because of their actions, just as anyone who causes *any* delay should.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #78)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:49 PM

96. Thats what I was thinking of. All those excited to start a Bahamas vacation on the plane too

If there was a way to launch a mass action suit to recover their lost time and money, they should. Sounds like those parents can afford it. BTW, what kind of parent sends their high school age kid to the Bahamas with 29 others to party? Even with the chaperones, who obviously these teens do not respect or listen to.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:05 PM

81. GOOD!

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:21 PM

87. I'll bet every last one was white.

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Response to BradBo (Reply #87)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:01 PM

98. I bet you're incorrect. What are you willing to wager?

Fuck it. I’ll bet my user account.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:22 PM

88. Maskholes!


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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:42 PM

94. These people also lost a day of vacation too just because they were on the plane with the teens

There has to be more punishment they obstructed a lot of ticket holders’ vacations
“Terrible kids”

?s=21

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 12:44 PM

95. they do it with 30 kids but not with 1 woman who is repeatedly told to put mask on

see thread ("twit on a plane" )
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215599204

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:18 PM

102. Normally I'm opposed to corporal punishment

But, I'd make exception for these youths. And, no swats to their little butts either. Rather, open handed smacks to the head.

I imagine it was fewer kids than the article leads on, and it's possible that the airline overreacted a bit. But, I'm all for being tough on mask mandates.

Remember - being on an airplane isn't like being in an open air market or socially-distanced restaurant. You're in a sealed space with 8 or so people less than 6-feet away from you...for hours. Then, there's the health and safety of the flight attendants to consider.

Yeah, fuck the disrespectful little pricks.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 01:41 PM

105. That the teens were a-holes is not surprising.

Some teens are just born that way, others are raised to be jerks and fools.

What is surprising is that, after the terrible inconvenience they caused to other paying customers, they were allowed on another flight. Causing a flight to cancel because of your a-hole behavior is not the same as throwing spitballs in class. What am I missing here?

Maybe the airline couldn’t identify the maskless idiots quickly and so couldn’t just condemn the whole group out of hand? No, sorry, yes the airline could condemn the whole group out of hand. Simply by interviewing each kid individually and asking them to identify the perps. If you don’t identify the perps, you don’t fly. Meanwhile, review videos to make a separate ID of the a-holes and target them individually for the no-fly list.

But don’t just make them wait for the next flight as if their criminality was just, "like, so cool, man, lmfao!"


Will some rich kid Daddies sue? Fine. Bring it on. Let a jury decide what was more important: some rich kids criminal fun or the safety of the other passengers on the flight.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 03:44 PM

111. At 17-18 years, and high school graduates, these are not children.

They were acting like a gang, and should be treated with the same level of respect they showed to the airline, flight crew, and other passengers.
In other words, none.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 04:13 PM

114. Hah, well then, standing up for their "beliefs" cost them a trip to the Bahamas.

How else they get there is now their problem.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 04:30 PM

115. Cutting Off their noses to Spite their

Collective Stupid Face.

Hope they enjoyed their Airport Vacation.

I'd be mad as hell if I were on that plane going to the Bahamas!

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 09:06 PM

121. Does anyone remember the teen who was flying out of Boston for a family vacation after 9/11?

I can't remember where to--out west, like AZ, I think.

He bought a book in the airport bookstore to read, a thriller with scary stuff on the cover. He wasn't allowed to fly because he might be a terrorist. He went home and came back the next day with a Harry Potter book. Security remembered him and wouldn't let him on the plane. I can't remember how it ended up, if he ever got to join his family or not.

That's quite a change from letting 30 brats delay everyone's flight for a day. I've no idea why they didn't throw the brats off and let others continue.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Wed Jul 7, 2021, 11:56 PM

124. Why cancel the flight and ruin everyone else's trip? Just kick off the brats,

fine them and ban them from the airline for the next year or two. But let others on board go forward with their trip.

Now that it's cancelled, the airline should refund tickets for the innocent victims and sue the teen brats and their parents for these costs, plus punitive damages as well as compensatory.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #124)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 05:59 AM

127. The parents need to answer for this

I find it hard to believe that no adults were on this trip. But even if that's true, parents were still involved because airline tickets can only be purchased via credit card any more. If 18 kids went on the trip then 18 sets of parents paid for their tickets and probably everything else included.

You don't send your underage kid to a foreign country unchaperoned in this day and age. Especially after all the stories of abductions, kidnappings, murders, and robberies on foreign soil. No Americans are safe any more. Parents need to be held responsible, whether their children have been raised to behave correctly or not.

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Response to oldsoftie (Original post)

Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:11 AM

125. There's a limit to teenage stupidity.

Parents don't set limits, mostly, so they have to hit the brick wall sometimes somewhere else . . . yes, children, the adults are in charge.

Get used to it, that should have happened about a decade ago for you.

'You are not the boss of me!' doesn't work when you are 17 or 18.

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