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Mon May 3, 2021, 11:13 AM

Feds rethink vaccination strategy as slowing demand reveals stark divide

Source: Politico

As more cities and counties with robust Covid vaccination rates start to experience stirrings of pre-pandemic life, some communities just a short drive away are seeing the opposite: paltry demand for shots accompanied by new hot spots of disease ó and the Biden administration is redoubling its efforts to reach the stragglers.

As the contrast within states like Colorado, Oregon and Michigan spotlights the emerging divide, the administration is pivoting away from mass vaccination sites to refrigerated vans, community health clinics and even door-to-door campaigns in predominantly rural communities with the most holdouts.

ďThe ground game really matters now,Ē a senior administration official said. ďWe donít have to do these major FEMA sites.Ē

The White House long expected vaccination rates to drop off in rural communities and among younger people who are either hesitant about the shots or unwilling to make arrangements to get a shot.




Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/03/feds-covid-vaccination-rates-drop-485151

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Reply Feds rethink vaccination strategy as slowing demand reveals stark divide (Original post)
brooklynite Monday OP
newdayneeded Monday #1
DENVERPOPS Monday #25
piddyprints Monday #2
SWBTATTReg Monday #4
piddyprints Monday #6
SWBTATTReg Monday #8
IrishAfricanAmerican Monday #9
piddyprints Monday #10
IrishAfricanAmerican Monday #11
pandr32 Monday #14
Salviati Monday #28
pandr32 Monday #35
DENVERPOPS Monday #27
electric_blue68 Monday #31
SWBTATTReg Monday #3
Tomconroy Monday #5
piddyprints Monday #7
Warpy Monday #12
brooklynite Monday #15
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33taw Monday #16
Warpy Monday #18
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33taw Monday #33
ShazzieB Monday #39
33taw Tuesday #40
Steelrolled Monday #19
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:21 AM

1. these anti vaxxers

Are so petty, that Biden needs to send these mobile vaccine crews door to door wearing maga hats and "fuck your feeings" trump t-shits to entice them to get the vaccines.

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Response to newdayneeded (Reply #1)

Mon May 3, 2021, 02:47 PM

25. To get the vaccine is the equivalent

of admitting that Trump and RepubliCons totally fucked up the Covid response and lied to their Trumphumpers.....
It certainly would be different if more of their cult got the virus and died.

It is pathetic that their followers would rather risk dying than to get the vaccination. AND risk our children and grand children's sickness and death, basically forever more..................

I have completely obliterated every last Republican/Trump Voter from my friends and acquaintances. Screw them all..........

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:28 AM

2. This is really scary shit.

I know people who refuse to get vaccinated. Not one thing I can say will sway them. I feel so powerless. Even in my own family, one daughter outright refuses. The other one is fully vaccinated, but she had such a hard time afterwards with side-effects after both Pfizer shots that she is now terrified of getting boosters.

I told her that we probably wouldn't need boosters if people like her idiotic sister would just fucking get vaccinated. She might try to plant a bug in her sister's ear. We'll see. I also told her that no matter how awful she feels afterwards, that is nothing compared to what Covid could do to her. In the end, she'll do the right thing. Her sister? Probably not.

My friends who refuse will not be invited even to outdoor gatherings at all. No vac, no invitation. I will not budge from that. Neither will I agree to see my unvaccinated daughter ... not like she's pounding down the door wanting to see us. (She has gone to the dark side, thanks at least partly to 20 years of military brain washing.)


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Response to piddyprints (Reply #2)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:45 AM

4. I too, have this issue to deal w/, a refusal to get the shots. I am at a loss as to what else I ...

could say or do, to encourage them to go get the shot(s). I think your approach is a good start, refuse to get together in gatherings, etc., nor see people that are not vaccinated.

Already I see where outbreaks of COVID 19 are occurring in areas where vaccination rates are low. I suspect that this will occur regularly and in some areas, will hammer those folks that mocked others for getting vaccinated. And what gets me is why the mocking? Why the disturbing monologue of why they don't want the vaccinations? Along with the outrageous toll of COVID 19 deaths in this Country, another dismal failure can be laid at trump's stinking feet.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #4)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:01 PM

6. Thank you.

One of the things that gets me is the ďI donít know what Iíll be putting into my bodyĒ shit, coming from people who smoke, vape, eat processed and fast foods, drink alcohol, etc. Iím not saying theyíre bad people for doing those things (I like a beer as much as anyone), just that itís a bit hard to swallow the excuse when theyíre already putting things into their bodies that we know can have adverse affects.

My friends smoke, although they think I donít know. My daughter vapes literally every waking minute. But vaccine? OMG, there could be something on it that could be harmful down the road. SMDH

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Response to piddyprints (Reply #6)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:05 PM

8. Indeed! Excellent points made, excellent!

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Response to piddyprints (Reply #6)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:10 PM

9. I like a beer as much as anyone...

Up for debate...



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Response to IrishAfricanAmerican (Reply #9)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:14 PM

10. Lol



I guess we really canít say those words without conjuring up that image.

It only took me about 55 years to learn to like beer. Howís this ... I like wine too.

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Response to piddyprints (Reply #10)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:20 PM

11. 🍺 🍷

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Response to piddyprints (Reply #6)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:30 PM

14. We're seeing a lot of this, too

I actually wish that vaccines would be mandatory. Fines for those who have unvaccinated children or themselves. As for forging vaccination cards there should be a way for airlines, police, health workers,schools, etc. to do an ID check through a government app or phone number to rule out fake cards. Maybe a bar scan?

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #14)

Mon May 3, 2021, 02:58 PM

28. I think we'll see a lot more places making it mandatory once it gets full authorization.

I think in the meantime it might help push people over the line if places announced their plans to require it in the future, whether it's universities or employers, let people know about any upcoming requirements.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/29/health/fda-approval-covid-19-vaccines-explainer/index.html

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Response to Salviati (Reply #28)

Mon May 3, 2021, 06:23 PM

35. I agree

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Response to piddyprints (Reply #2)

Mon May 3, 2021, 02:53 PM

27. Screw them...disown them, cut off any and all contact.

That includes phone calls or emails. Simply put, they are trying to maim and murder others and are so stupid they don't know it....

I got out my pin from the 60's and started wearing it everywhere.......IGNORANCE SHOULD BE PAINFUL.....

I get the biggest kick out of RepubliCONs who think my pin is talking about Democrats.....LOL

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Response to piddyprints (Reply #2)

Mon May 3, 2021, 03:33 PM

31. It's hard but protecting yourself and other vaccinated family is #1 priority!

So sorry you have to endure this!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:38 AM

3. Hey, I still haven't gotten notified of shots to be administrated by two different entities, FEMA

(they are holding a mass vaccination event downtown STLMO with the City of STLMO, 150,000 shots to be administered) and another similar governmental city entity (Health Dept) that would notify me when a spot opened up so I could be notified and then go and get the shot(s). Not once was I notified by either entity that a slot had opened up/shots were available.

I finally went separately to the Walgreen's vaccination site (for COVID 19), and finally finally got in, got my first shot, and am on my way to the 2nd shot on May 20, 2021.

I do understand that this is a rather unusual process that was quickly implemented and some bugs were bound to occur, although I think that governmental entities could have considered other annual processes that go on today that veterans, the elderly, etc. undergo every year to vaccinate themselves for the annual flu season. Hopefully, if the COVID 19 shots become an annual thing, that they smoothly integrate these shot(s) into the flu season process (if possible)...

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:01 PM

5. In Connecticut there is a program run by restaurants

To give a free alcoholic drink to anyone who can prove they have been vaccinated.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #5)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:03 PM

7. Whatever works.

Iím all for incentives.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:26 PM

12. They need to remove a layer of bureaucracy

which is what is getting in my way. If people can call a vaccination center directly for an appointment, more will do so. A central registry is simply not needed and only fouls things up by assigning inconvenient locations and times.

I could understand a central registry when supply was limited and vaccinations restricted by age and occupation. That is no longer the case.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #12)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:39 PM

15. NYC and NYS sites are all no-appointment walk in.....

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #15)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:46 PM

17. I don't live there

and NM is retaining iron fisted bureaucratic control.

Fortunately, i'm 80% sure I had the disease a year ago, when iron fisted bureaucrats issued parameters for testing, one of which I didn't fit, but ticked all the boxes when they nailed the symptoms down more clearly, after I'd recovered.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:27 PM

13. It is very simple. Remove the choice.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:42 PM

16. I think medical facilities should refuse medical care to folks who are not vaccinated.

Why risk staff for people who donít believe in science. There are probably some exemptions, but that is where I would stop.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #16)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:51 PM

18. Bad idea

since many of them will be convinced they've been lied to by the GOP when they come down with a case that's bad enough to need hospital care. There are quite a few videos out there posted by people who learned the hard way.

A few will remain in denial and I can speak from experience in saying some of us would love to strangle them but we don't because we are professionals and cleaning the gene pool is not our job.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #18)

Mon May 3, 2021, 02:19 PM

24. I understand, but I have also been impacted by

people who refused to mask up and could not care less if they are refused treatment because they did not vaccinate. I would not suggest that we refuse care to a minor.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #24)

Mon May 3, 2021, 03:38 PM

32. I understand the desire to hit back

but it's inappropriate in health care. Trust me, having the disease is enough of a hit.

Better to vaccinate yourself and encourage others to do so. At that point, the maskholes will be the only ones getting sick.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #32)

Mon May 3, 2021, 04:12 PM

33. I am not hitting back. I'm tired of the hoaxers.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #33)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:52 PM

39. I think we're all sick of the covidiots.

But health care professionals have a code of ethics, and denying care to a particular segment of the population would be a gross violation of those ethics. No matter how undeserving those people may be.

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #39)

Tue May 4, 2021, 09:54 AM

40. I totally understand your position and don't disagree. Right now it is too raw for me.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 12:57 PM

19. "younger people who are either hesitant about the shots or unwilling to make arrangements..."

This is an important point. Young people, many of whom who aren't motivated in the same way as older people, just aren't in the habit of dealing with health care. They don't have their parents doing it for them anymore.

edit for typo.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 01:30 PM

20. IDGAF

Really.

There's no herd immunity, though since I'm not a scientist I'm not exactly sure what that means. But that's okay. If I have to get a Covid vaccination every year, as I get my flu shot every year, that's fine.

If businesses and institutions impose vaccination requirements and it goes to the courts, so be it. If people quit because of too many unvaccinated co-workers and it goes to the courts, so be it. If the stark divide means more redhats die, so be it. If smart people continue to wear masks to protect themselves and others, great. It's not that big a burden. I don't care if it affects sporting events. I understand that a large percentage of military personnel are refusing the vaccine. I hope the military develops a plan to toss them out. Regarding the impact on our military preparedness, you got it. I don't care. The Pentagon will figure out a way. Or not. And we may have to deal with harsh realities in the years to come. Don't care.

In the meantime, Dems have the WH, House, and most of the Senate. They need to do everything possible to lock in Joe Biden's new New Deal and to ensure that the DOJ brings as many of these extremists, from the former guy on down, to trial.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 01:31 PM

21. I heard an interview this morning on NPR with a writer for The Atlantic.

He interviewed people who refuse to get the Covid vaccine. They were not anti-vaxxers but rather people who did not believe it was necessary for them to get vaccinated. Their reasoning was that they had researched Covid (probably at online conspiracy sites and Oan) and concluded that its dangers had been overblown by liberal elites and that they were personally in no danger from getting Covid, therefore, they did not need the vaccine. They were younger (30s to 40s), had taken no safety precautions, and had lived just as they always had with no isolation and had not contracted Covid and thus it isnít a threat to anyone. Their only concern was for themselves with no concern for anyone else, evidently including parents, grandparents, and elderly relatives to who, they might give the virus. The selfishness of that attitude is astonishing but so typical of those who have chosen politics over science.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 01:44 PM

22. We only have a 34% at least 1 vaccination rates.

That is a ridiculously low number and hasn't increased in a week. Nearby St. Johns county which is 10x more wealthy has rates of 43%. There are no walk-up vaccination centers here, all require appts. And there are some very poor parts to this spread out county and no sites near most of them. WTF! DeSantis is killing us (working class/poor) on purpose and it will take a lot from the Biden administration to improve this.

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Response to lark (Reply #22)

Mon May 3, 2021, 02:52 PM

26. It wouldn't surprise me if DeSantis put onerous restrictions on getting the vaccine.

He'll look at that private school that fires any teacher who gets vaccinated and say to himself, "Why didn't I think of that? I could do the same thing with state and local government employees."

The GOP motto: "If you can't win the most votes with your policies, change the voting rules to keep the Democrats from voting. If you still lose, kill the voters."

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #26)

Mon May 3, 2021, 06:55 PM

37. Repug legislators here for the most part are vaccinnated, only the true idiots aren't.

They just lie for the sheeple.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 01:53 PM

23. In my area they are conducting walk ups at local restaurants ...

.. and in spite of all the effort, they're are a lot that still say no.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 03:02 PM

29. Employers need to REQUIRE vaccination of all employees

... either get vaxxed or you're laid off.

I think that will end most arguments right there. Employers - especially large companies - have every right to demand it too. They can't allow the virus to be brought in and spread on their premises, infecting employees or their customers. There are liability issues if nothing else.

You want a paycheck? Get vaccinated.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #29)

Mon May 3, 2021, 03:16 PM

30. That's a highly likely outcome in some industries one the vaccine receives full FDA approval

Right now the COVID vaccines are given under emergency use authorization, but once the FDA grants full approval I suspect you will see hospitals, nursing homes, and the military require it. That'll bring a couple million people into the fold.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #29)

Mon May 3, 2021, 07:00 PM

38. The hospital I used to be affiliated with requires these.

All EE there were vaccinated in Jan. unless they had a dr. note saying they had a specific health condition that contraindicated this. Since I'm retired, it took until the end of Feb. to be able to get an appt. on 3/5 - there was little vaccines here until Biden got all the contracts until the pharmacies and started sending directly there. Before that only the rich counties, and even specific rich subdivisions, were able to receive the services and they got theirs in Jan. from DeathSentence. There are still no walk up clinics here and our rate is only 34.4% - same as last week!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 05:00 PM

34. "The ground game really matters now,"

I've been yelling that from day one.

At this point, get it to the neighborhood pharmacies and supermarkets. Get one of those big Red Cross Bloodmobile-style mobile trailers and set up shop in neighborhoods and town squares.

And I hate to say it but for months, although they correctly focused on the older citizens, who were most at risk to severe effects and deaths, they did it so vehemently while essentially dismissing the very people (the younger adults) were actually the "carriers" and were spreading it - if anything because of their natural and higher tendency to engage in the "riskier" activities. And it was done to such a degree that they completely turned that group off, and apparently many gave up and figured "why bother?".

I think a lot of the "hesitancy" argument, particularly with certain demographics as they have been discovering here in Philly, is not "hesitancy" about the vaccine at all - at least in the urban areas. It's "hesitancy" about the hoops that had to be jumped to get one - "online registrations" (in a city where some of the most vulnerable communities lack internet and computers), "online fighting off others to get appointments" like some concert ticket lottery, providers in locations that even if along public transit routes, were a hassle for many to have plan for, hours for vaccines not conducive for many who work who could not take off during the day to get one.

I can imagine that the "Lessons Learned" exercise on this pandemic and the (continued) aftermath, will be a doozy.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 06:35 PM

36. The fall wave will cement the idea of a planned segregation of anti-vaxxers.

No shirt, no shoes, no vax...no service.

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