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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:12 PM Mar 2021

NATO scrambles jets 10 times to track Russian military planes across Europe

Source: CNN


By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent

(CNN) - NATO scrambled fighter jets 10 times Monday to track and intercept an unusually "rare peak" of Russian bombers and fighters flying over the North Sea, Black Sea and Baltic Sea, according to a NATO official.

"NATO aircraft intercepted six different groups of Russian military aircraft near alliance airspace in less than six hours," the organization said in a statement.

The Russian activity across an unusually wide area of European skies came on the same day North American Aerospace Defense Command said it tracked Russian aircraft off the coast of Alaska.

None of the Russian aircraft entered the national airspace of NATO nations in Europe and the intercepts were considered safe, but an alliance statement detailed the activity.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/30/politics/nato-russia-jets/index.html

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NATO scrambles jets 10 times to track Russian military planes across Europe (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2021 OP
Russia is going to screw around qazplm135 Mar 2021 #1
Agreed. And their military hardware... paleotn Mar 2021 #5
Hear Hear! Hugh Bloody Bastards Mar 2021 #2
Ten times in one day?? wtf ancianita Mar 2021 #3
FON operations soryang Mar 2021 #4
The US doesn't "buzz" other nations military hardware. paleotn Mar 2021 #6
I've been feeling ominous dread when it comes to Russia lately nt maryellen99 Mar 2021 #7
the last two articles are pretty much bs soryang Mar 2021 #8
That's just a cursory look on google. paleotn Mar 2021 #9
We do soryang Mar 2021 #11
I guess you don't fully understand the concept of international waters or airspace? paleotn Mar 2021 #13
I think we do more subtle things, nothing like the Reds StClone Mar 2021 #15
Is it OK with two US incidents - or more? TomWilm Mar 2021 #17
whataboutism qazplm135 Mar 2021 #10
Guess I better brush up on my Russian...n/t EndlessWire Mar 2021 #12
Negative, ghost rider. paleotn Mar 2021 #14
Putin is out for blood after losing one of his playthings. Initech Mar 2021 #16

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
1. Russia is going to screw around
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:19 PM
Mar 2021

and get itself into a conflict. China too. Both seem eager to provoke and escalate lately. It makes sense, America's temporary four year sabbatical from any relevant leadership role in the world opened a door for both countries, but instead of seizing it by showing the world a different way of leadership, they have both acted aggressively, including with military actions.

America has done and does a lot of fucked up stuff, but when you do just as fucked up stuff or worse, it's hard to have the moral high ground as these countries. They need to rethink their approach both because it lessens their own influence, but America is back in the leadership business and those alliances are going to be strengthening again.

paleotn

(17,781 posts)
5. Agreed. And their military hardware...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 07:21 PM
Mar 2021

in such close proximity to our military hardware is inherently dangerous. One mistake and we're in a shooting war neither side wants.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
8. the last two articles are pretty much bs
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 07:49 PM
Mar 2021

So you cited 3 incidents over a five year period. congratulations. Also no unsafe operations were cited in the OP.

paleotn

(17,781 posts)
9. That's just a cursory look on google.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 07:52 PM
Mar 2021

Ivan has been doing this shit for years. Fact is, we don't. And don't you ever fucking say we do.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
11. We do
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 07:59 PM
Mar 2021

the US presses the limits on international boundaries. It's juvenile to think you can operate in the contiguous zone and not get an aggresssive response.

paleotn

(17,781 posts)
13. I guess you don't fully understand the concept of international waters or airspace?
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 08:48 PM
Mar 2021

Maintaining freedom of the seas in international waters is NOT the same thing as buzzing US hardware operating in international waters or international airspace. Sailing past the Spratly Islands, IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS, is not the same thing. The Black Sea is not Ivan's private lake. Show me one incident where a US military aircraft buzzed a Russian or Chinese aircraft or vessel. Just one. One. Uno. Un. Eins.

StClone

(11,679 posts)
15. I think we do more subtle things, nothing like the Reds
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 10:08 PM
Mar 2021

I will add by saying “we want to keep our jobs.” The UCMJ forbids hazarding a vessel or aircraft. So intentionally closing with another vessel against the rules and norms of safe navigation is a good way to earn a court-martial and a discharge. This is likely for fighter planes, too.

TomWilm

(1,832 posts)
17. Is it OK with two US incidents - or more?
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 12:28 PM
Mar 2021

The incidents where it is the US military doing the buzzing is a bit harder to find, but that is mostly because they get lesser publicity in the Western media.

Many countries does this - I know a lot more about these games when played around Scandinavia. Buzzing was quite a routine procedure for Danish war ships, testing the reaction patterns in Poland during the Cold War. Often asked to do this job by our friends in the US.

Russia and Poland of course did the same, and still does - now against each other. Danish F16 fighters did it to our own commercial flights and ferries, until they were told to keep their war games at a bigger distance.

- Footage of US fighter plane buzzing plane carrying Moscow's Defence Minister before Russian jet intervenes 'flashing its missiles'.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/footage-fighter-plane-buzzing-plane-10679477

- US planes make “unsafe intercept” of Russian spy plane near Houston, Texas.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-cenciotti-us-f-15s-intercepted-a-russian-spy-plane-2014-2
https://fort-russ.com/2016/09/us-planes-make-unsafe-intercept-of/

These are just random examples from at fast Google search. If you need others, there a plenty to find.

This latest incidence is actually Russia showing their weakness. Only those bombers has the range to fly that far - and without fighter jets backing them up, they could do nothing. They are pathetic as a global military power - except for ability to use nuclear bombs.


paleotn

(17,781 posts)
14. Negative, ghost rider.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 08:51 PM
Mar 2021

In the immortal words of John McCain...love him or hate him, he was spot on.....they're still a gas station masquerading as a country. Take away their nukes...oh, we have plenty of those too....and they're Kazakhstan.

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