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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:01 PM

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (64,298 posts)

12 Republican-led states sue President Biden over climate change order

Source: USA Today

WASHINGTON — Twelve Republican-led states Monday sued President Joe Biden over his first executive order aimed at climate change, alleging he lacked the constitutional authority to implement new rules about greenhouse gases.

The federal lawsuit, led by Republican Attorney General Eric Schmitt of Missouri, argues Biden violated the separation of powers clause in the Constitution because Congress, not the president, has the power to regulate.

On his first day in the White House, Biden signed Executive Order 13990, directing federal agencies to calculate the "social cost" of greenhouse gas pollution by estimating "monetized damages" to inform future federal regulations. This includes changes in net agricultural productivity, human health, property damage from increased flood risk and the value of ecosystem services.

But the 12 states that are plaintiffs say assigning such values is a "quintessentially legislative action that falls within Congress’s exclusive authority." They also say the economic ramifications of the order will be disastrous.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/12-republican-led-states-sue-president-biden-over-climate-change-order/ar-BB1enRR0?li=BBnb7Kz

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12 Republican-led states sue President Biden over climate change order (Original post)	Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin	Mar 8	OP
Republicans are setting themselves up as enemies of America.	hadEnuf	Mar 8	#1
They are enemies of the planet.	jimlup	Mar 8	#10
OK, cut them out.	OAITW r.2.0	Mar 8	#2
Build a wall.	paleotn	Mar 8	#4
Going nowhere and wasting their taxpayer's money.	paleotn	Mar 8	#3
thats a ridiculous lawsuit.	drray23	Mar 8	#5
You mean they haven't already? (n/t)	OldBaldy1701E	Mar 9	#20
It seems to me that the collection of data "to inform future federal regulations" is not the same as	scarletwoman	Mar 8	#6
I hope it's no big deal, executive branches do cost-benefit analyses all the time	bucolic_frolic	Mar 8	#7
A party of dumb fucks	Botany	Mar 8	#8
In other words, extractive energy interests controlling elected officials in these twelve states	sop	Mar 8	#9
it wont cost them.anything.	drray23	Mar 8	#11
It's a thin edge of the wedge fear	malthaussen	Mar 9	#19
These imbeciles are going to be the death of all of us.	Mickju	Mar 8	#12
The tongue chewing, knuckle draggers respond. Can't fix it folks. The stupid just burns. nt	Evolve Dammit	Mar 8	#13
Those idiots	rlegro	Mar 8	#14
Stupid motherfuckers would kill us all if it makes them a profit.	rickyhall	Mar 9	#15
The states...	2naSalit	Mar 9	#16
sit on it and spin wingers..	Maxheader	Mar 9	#17
The climate does not respect State borders.	malthaussen	Mar 9	#18
Let's hope the courts listen to science and NOT	bluestarone	Mar 9	#21

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:07 PM

hadEnuf (715 posts)

1. Republicans are setting themselves up as enemies of America.

They are against absolutely everything someone other than them tries to do.

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:28 PM

jimlup (7,756 posts)

10. They are enemies of the planet.

It is broader than just America.

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:09 PM

OAITW r.2.0 (8,688 posts)

2. OK, cut them out.

If that's their parochial concern....cool. The voters can change their representation. Meanwhile 38 State's carrying on with a progressive climate change future.

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:17 PM

paleotn (9,837 posts)

4. Build a wall.

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:16 PM

paleotn (9,837 posts)

3. Going nowhere and wasting their taxpayer's money.

Then again, a majority of voters in those states elected these nuts in the first place. Maybe they deserve their tax dollars being wasted.

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:20 PM

drray23 (5,655 posts)

5. thats a ridiculous lawsuit.

All that the EO does is direct agencies to make estimates for planning purposes. How can this possibly be exclusively a purview of congress ? Are they going to also sue to forbid people from thinking about issues ?

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Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:19 AM

OldBaldy1701E (1,081 posts)

20. You mean they haven't already? (n/t)

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:21 PM

scarletwoman (31,893 posts)

6. It seems to me that the collection of data "to inform future federal regulations" is not the same as

actually creating new regulations.

I would hope the court would recognize this, but who knows.

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:23 PM

bucolic_frolic (23,940 posts)

7. I hope it's no big deal, executive branches do cost-benefit analyses all the time

as part of decision making. And these bozos think the LEGISLATURE will better estimate such values? Better than say, scientists, actuaries, accountants, public policy makers? I don't think so.

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:24 PM

Botany (59,170 posts)

8. A party of dumb fucks

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:27 PM

sop (4,603 posts)

9. In other words, extractive energy interests controlling elected officials in these twelve states

are suing Biden because EO 13990 will cost them a lot of money.

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:43 PM

drray23 (5,655 posts)

11. it wont cost them.anything.

that EO directs federal agencies to carry out studies for planning purposes. It does not impose anything on states.

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Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:54 AM

malthaussen (14,163 posts)

19. It's a thin edge of the wedge fear

The XO legitimizes the concept that climate change is at least partially man-made, and that some action must be taken to combat it. It is that potential action the plutocracts fear, hence they're trying to head it off at the pass.

In much the same way, the NRA opposes and and all firearms restrictions, because they fear what might come next.

-- Mal

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 09:53 PM

Mickju (1,120 posts)

12. These imbeciles are going to be the death of all of us.

Our imploding climate is an extreme emergency and most people are totally oblivious.

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 10:27 PM

Evolve Dammit (5,223 posts)

13. The tongue chewing, knuckle draggers respond. Can't fix it folks. The stupid just burns. nt

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Mon Mar 8, 2021, 10:36 PM

rlegro (236 posts)

14. Those idiots

Assigning numerical values to climate variables is an exercise in SCIENCE, not ledger-lating. Although I suppose Repubs could try to assign any nifty, self-fulfilling numbers they like. That would be nonsensical. But I repeat myself.

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Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:55 AM

rickyhall (3,533 posts)

15. Stupid motherfuckers would kill us all if it makes them a profit.

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Tue Mar 9, 2021, 08:34 AM

2naSalit (49,087 posts)

16. The states...

Republican state attorneys general from Arkansas, Arizona, Indiana, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Utah joined the suit.

I knew Montana would be in on it.

Everyone needs to keep an eye on the Montana crew, only Tester is a Dem and he is against the decision on the KXL. Tester believes the lie about jobs, the issue is that Montana based it's tax structure around the extractive industries and it shows. Especially now.

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Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:07 AM

Maxheader (4,000 posts)

17. sit on it and spin wingers..

Joe is the new superman for gaia, the Big Mother ...

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Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:48 AM

malthaussen (14,163 posts)

18. The climate does not respect State borders.

In a reasonable world, this suit would have no merit.

-- Mal

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Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:58 AM

bluestarone (11,971 posts)

21. Let's hope the courts listen to science and NOT

The lowlife QTHUGS!!

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