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Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:09 PM

Senate Democrats announce deal on unemployment insurance, allowing Biden bill to move forward

Source: Washington Post

Senate Democratic leaders reached an agreement over unemployment benefits with moderate Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) late Friday, ending a nine-hour stand-off that threatened to derail action on President Biden’s $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill. The agreement would extend the existing $300 weekly unemployment benefit through Sept. 6, as well as provide tax relief on benefits for households making under $150,000.

“The President has made it clear we will have enough vaccines for every American by the end of May and I am confident the economic recovery will follow. We have reached a compromise that enables the economy to rebound quickly while also protecting those receiving unemployment benefits from being hit with unexpected tax bill next year,” Manchin said in a statement. "Those making less than $150,000 and receiving unemployment will be eligible for a $10,200 tax break. Unemployment benefits will be extended through the end of August.”

The deal came after action on President Biden’s $1.9 trillion relief bill screeched to a halt Friday as an earlier 11th-hour compromise on unemployment insurance benefits appeared to unravel, leaving the entire effort in limbo and raising questions about Democrats’ ability to govern with a 50-50 Senate. A day that began with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) vowing passage of Biden’s first major legislative initiative was thrown into uncertainty, leaving Republicans to practically mock the Democrats’ predicament.

Attention centered on moderate Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin III (W.Va.), with Republicans trying to win him over to support an unemployment insurance amendment they hoped to offer — instead of an alternative negotiated by Democratic leaders and endorsed by the White House. “No comments, no comments, no comments!” Manchin told reporters who pursued him through the Capitol late Friday after hours of uncertainty, adding: “Good negotiations should be, should be good.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/03/05/biden-stimulus-senate-checks-vote/

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BumRushDaShow Mar 5 OP
PA_jen Mar 5 #1
LiberalArkie Mar 5 #7
WHITT Mar 5 #2
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 5 #3
BumRushDaShow Mar 5 #5
mountain grammy Mar 5 #4
BumRushDaShow Mar 5 #6
regnaD kciN Mar 5 #10
BumRushDaShow Mar 5 #11
mountain grammy Mar 5 #14
mountain grammy Mar 6 #15
BumRushDaShow Mar 6 #17
mountain grammy Mar 6 #19
BumRushDaShow Mar 6 #22
mountain grammy Mar 6 #27
BumRushDaShow Mar 6 #28
mountain grammy Mar 6 #29
Akoto Mar 5 #8
BumRushDaShow Mar 5 #9
onetexan Mar 6 #26
Cryptoad Mar 5 #12
BumRushDaShow Mar 5 #13
quakerboy Mar 6 #20
BumRushDaShow Mar 6 #23
tonekat Mar 6 #16
BumRushDaShow Mar 6 #18
quakerboy Mar 6 #21
BumRushDaShow Mar 6 #24
KPN Mar 6 #25
Elessar Zappa Mar 6 #30

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:10 PM

1. I am sick of a certain person!

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Response to PA_jen (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:45 PM

7. Who, The Democratic Rand Paul (D-WV)?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:27 PM

2. With The Dems Bringing Earmarks Back

Biden and/or Schumer need to start opposing all earmarks for WV when Manchin goes off the rails.


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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:33 PM

3. Looks like MSN needs to update their page

They're still saying Manchin is holding things up.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:36 PM

5. NYT just had a breaking on this a couple minutes ago too




TEXT

The New York Times
@nytimes
Breaking News: Democrats reduced the stimulus bill’s jobless aid after Senator Joe Manchin threatened to defect. The Senate can now resume voting on other changes.
Stimulus debate slows to a crawl in the Senate as Democrats haggle over jobless aid.
Democrats had devised a compromise to drop their bid to raise the weekly federal payment but extend it for a longer period, but Senator Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, a crucial swing vote,...
nytimes.com
8:30 PM · Mar 5, 2021



Democrats reach compromise with Manchin on jobless aid, allowing stimulus vote to continue.

Top Democrats reached a deal late Friday to scale back weekly unemployment payments in President Biden’s $1.9 trillion stimulus plan, working to preserve moderate support for the package by dropping their effort to increase those payments to $400 and agreeing on a $300 supplement instead. The agreement came after a nine-hour impasse that paralyzed efforts to move Mr. Biden’s stimulus bill through the Senate, after Senator Joe Manchin III of West Virginia raised concerns that an overly generous benefit could discourage people from returning to work. By late Friday, Democrats had reached a compromise that appeared to satisfy Mr. Manchin.

The agreement, confirmed by a Democratic aide who disclosed the details on the condition of anonymity, would extend the existing $300 jobless benefit through Sept. 6, and make up to $10,200 of unemployment benefits received last year tax-free for households with incomes less than $150,000. It would also extend tax rules regarding excess business loss limitations for one additional year, through 2026.

“The president has made it clear we will have enough vaccines for every American by the end of May, and I am confident the economic recovery will follow,” Mr. Manchin said in a statement. “We have reached a compromise that enables the economy to rebound quickly while also protecting those receiving unemployment benefits” from being hit with unexpected tax bills.

Top Democrats had initially planned to drop their effort to increase the payments to $400 but extend them for an additional month, through Oct. 4. The agreement reached with Mr. Manchin shaves one month off that extension. The impasse had halted the measure just as the Senate began voting on proposed changes. What was supposed to have been a 15-minute vote on a minimum-wage increase stretched for hours as Democrats stalled for time, huddling on the Senate floor in search of a solution.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/05/us/stimulus-unemployment.html

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:36 PM

4. Democrats negotiating with Democrats to get things passed

unfuckingbelievable!!

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:40 PM

6. If people hadn't crawled over glass to get Warnock and Ossoff and Kelley in

then this bill would have never even seen the light of day under Turtle.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:08 PM

10. And what will be left of it once Manchin is done forcing "renegotiations"...?

A bill that provides significantly less aid to Americans that desperately need it -- and we will only have ourselves for them to blame.

Plus, any hopes that Biden will bring about any sort of significant change die with this deal, since it's clear that President Manchin will be calling the tune on absolutely everything for the next two years. And I doubt we'll find the melody to our liking, nor the result of the next election after the song is done.


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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:28 PM

11. I don't think there are going to be that many changes to it at this point

it seems he had a narrow focus on it.

What IS different about this compared to the last one is what I just posted downthread - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142707356#post9

I.e., there will actually be an estimated 26 million MORE people who will get a check this go-around- i.e., the ones who didn't qualify to get the last two - disabled and dependent adults.

So far it seems his focus has been fiscal. I don't think he will have issues (outside of being stubborn about the filibuster) with other Democratic priorities. And in this relief package's case, it wasn't just him. There were a group of moderate Democrats who were involved in cherry-picking stuff in it.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:48 PM

14. We'll see..

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:04 AM

15. None of them are holding up the bill.

They seem to understand why they were elected.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

17. But they allowed Democrats to take over the Majority Leader position

and take over the Committee Chairs. Otherwise this bill would have come over from the House and gone wherever Turtle threw the other 400 House bills that would die on the vine, and he did such all the way up until February 3rd, 2021, when they finally signed off on the new Senate Committee composition, Leadership positions, and Committee chairs.

I wish we could have taken Susan Collins' seat but we didn't. I wish that we could have taken Thom Tillis' seat, but we didn't. I wish the $1 billion plus that Jaime Harrison raised and spent to take Lindsey Graham's seat had been enough, but it wasn't. I wish Doug Jones hadn't lost, but he did.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:32 AM

19. I don't wish for anything, it's a waste of time.

All I said was none of the new Democratic senators (one of them being mine) aren't holding up the bill.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:42 AM

22. I did see this thread in GD

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215193326

There have been maneuvers, like Van Holland sliding a unanimous consent request in that killed the usual 20 hours of debate and reduced it to 3 after the 11 hour read-athon that none of the GOPidiots were there to listen to, so they missed that motion and thus couldn't object to it.

I remember following this process with the 2nd part of the ACA. The first part was done when we briefly had 60 votes to proceed with it and were dealing not just with Lieberman but with the ass Max Baucus (D-MT). And in that case, the only way we even got the 60 was because Arlen Specter (my Senator at the time) switched parties over that summer, to (D) and Franken finally got seated... but then Kennedy died and there was an appointee in there for the couple months until the special election put Scott Brown in (R-MA), and that dropped us down to 59 forcing reconciliation to get the rest of it done.

It's all very messy and partisan and it's a shame that it plays out like this in the media because all it does is cause extreme stress. This is why I would never go into politics.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:21 PM

27. It's always been messy and partisan

I have to hand it to Van Holland for shortening the debate time. Republicans don't debate. They do what they're told by whatever crazy shit fox news is spewing that day. We should take advantage of every second they're lazy asses don't show up. And, if Manchin insists on keeping the filibuster, Dems should require a real filibuster.

The problem I have with Democrats breaking ranks isn't that I don't think they don't have something relevant to say, it's the media spin and the constant noise from half of Americans, who are just flat out dumb. In other words, exactly what you said. Well maybe not the Americans are dumb part.

What I learned from history class was the great compromises kept the country moving forward. What I learned from reading volumes of history was nearly every compromise enriched white men and brought death and misery to everyone else. Politics is beyond messy. It's lethal.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:29 PM

28. I have been watching the last of the vote-o-rama this morning

and every single Democrat has lockstepped to vote against the lunatic GOP amendments. So far the only one that they all agreed to presented by Murkowski and Manchin about 10 minutes ago, was one that would allocate money from a pot for schools to go specifically to families of school students who were homeless.

I often post this to summarize -



ETA to note they are now doing the LAST amendment!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 01:15 PM

29. Great show, plenty of truth

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 09:55 PM

8. Will we disabled or otherwise poor still get that $1400? In my situation, gotta wonder, sorry. nt

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Response to Akoto (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:03 PM

9. From what I recall from the original bill

(and I don't think they have changed any of the provisions in the vote-o-rama) the previously excluded groups such as the disabled and dependent adults were now eligible.

Here’s who qualifies for a $1,400 stimulus payment under the American Rescue Plan

Published Sat, Feb 27 20218:11 AM EST Updated Thu, Mar 4 202110:23 AM EST
Alicia Adamczyk


(snip)

Unlike the previous two payments, adult dependents qualify for this round. A previous report from the American Enterprise Institute estimates that as many as 26 million more people — mainly college students, disabled adults and elderly Americans — will now be eligible for a payment. The check could arrive as soon as next month.

The payments are based on either 2019 or 2020 income. That means taxpayers may want to file their taxes before the bill passes if that would net them a larger stimulus payment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/27/who-qualifies-for-a-1400-dollar-stimulus-payment-under-the-house-bill.html


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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 04:02 AM

26. i like it. Compromise or not, in the least it was passed. As you mentioned earlier, if Dems didn't

get majority thanks to Kamala's tie-breaking vote Dems would not have passed this (slightly watered down) bill. At the end of the day the important thing is struggling middle class families will receive help. Biden & Dems can now put a +1 in their list of 1st 100 days accomplishments .

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:03 PM

12. He acts like he is getting ready to switch parties

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:13 PM

13. For some reason

I don't think so.

In the past, the Democrats who switched did so suddenly and without fanfare (e.g., Ben Nighthorse Campbell (CO) and one who is still there - Richard Shelby (AL)). In the House, you recently had Jeff Van Drew (NJ) do the same - sortof out of nowhere.

If anything, if he did switch to GOP, he would then essentially be a "nothing" with little or no power or influence in a sea of loons. However if he really wanted to switch to something, he might do a Lieberman and become an Independent and then be able to prance around to see who was willing to court him as someone who will caucus with them (although I don't know what the party laws are in WV regarding the ability or feasibility of doing that).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:38 AM

20. Hes making his point to both sides

Whoever can offer him the most will get his vote and his affiliation.

He has demands to vote with democrats. But he would have demands to switch.

Which side will offer him the biggest payoff?

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:51 AM

23. They have that "Problem Solvers Caucus", he is very much a part of it

and a few OTHERS who have been popping in and out of this debate more quietly, are also all part of it -

Problem Solvers Co-Chairs Tom Reed (NY-23) and Josh Gottheimer (NJ-5), as well as Reps. Dusty Johnson (SD-AL), Dean Phillips (MN-3), Fred Upton (MI-6), Abigail Spanberger (VA-7), and Anthony Gonzalez (OH-16) were joined today by Senators Joe Manchin (WV), Susan Collins (ME), Mark Warner (VA), Bill Cassidy (LA), Jeanne Shaheen (NH), Lisa Murkowski (AK), Angus King (ME), Mitt Romney (UT), and Maggie Hassan (NH).

(bolded are the Senate members)

This is THEIR version of this package - https://problemsolverscaucus-gottheimer.house.gov/media/press-releases/release-problem-solvers-caucus-senate-partners-unveil-bipartisan-bicameral-4

and it sounds like they are trying to negotiate some of their stuff into the original House version. It certainly is NOT going to be dropped down to the level that they are promoting, but I think they are nitpicking around the edges to get some of their input and stuff in there.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:08 AM

16. DINO Manchin

Is the Joe Lieberman of 2021.

The R's will toe the line no matter what. Dems? Not so much, too busy defeating themselves.

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Response to tonekat (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:24 AM

18. Well R's aren't always "toeing the line no matter what"

Don't forget the usual set who HAVE broken ranks a few percent of the time. You know the names -

Susan Collins
Lisa Murkowski
Mitt Romney

And on occasion these couple will rotate in -

Pat Toomey
Rob Portman

What will be instructive is that since the party numbers are now tied (with the 2 Indies caucusing with Ds), how much they will still "buck their party for attention".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:39 AM

21. have they broken ranks when it actually mattered?

Or only for symbolic votes that dont actually accomplish anything, but they can use to tout their moderate credentials?

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:58 AM

24. We'll have to see

Remember they had a 4 vote majority up until this new 117th Congress, so previously they could lose a couple of them before they had to crack the whip on them. They haven't been in the minority in the Senate since 2013.

I think in the past, everyone recalls McCain (who is obviously no longer here) keeping the ACA alive after what had to have been the 70th time they tried to repeal it. I also know that they had a few like Lamar Alexander, recently retire, so they could juggle who could be the one to "buck" the party line, but still maintain their agenda.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 03:07 AM

25. Well, McCain and a couple others did to save the ACA back in 2017?

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 01:22 PM

30. Murkowski and Collins

voted to save the ACA. That was a huge knife in the back of McConnell.

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