Fri Mar 5, 2021, 02:56 PM
Omaha Steve (79,328 posts)
Minimum wage hike falls short as Senate debates virus bill
Source: AP
By ALAN FRAM WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate seemingly killed progressives’ last-ditch effort to include a minimum wage hike in the Democrats’ $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill Friday, as the chamber began climactic votes on the huge package embodying President Joe Biden’s top legislative priority. Senators voted 58-42 against the increase, though the vote wasn’t yet formally gaveled to a close. Eight Democrats voted against the proposal, suggesting that Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and other progressives vowing to continue the fight in coming months will face a difficult fight. Though the number of Democrats opposing the proposal was a surprise, its defeat was not. Solid Republican opposition had guaranteed in advance that proponents would fall well short of the 60 votes needed to win. The proposal would boost the federal minimum wage to $15 hourly by 2025, up from its current $7.25. The overall bill, aimed at battling the killer virus and nursing the staggered economy back to health, will provide direct payments of up to $1,400 to most Americans. There’s also money for COVID-19 vaccines and testing, aid to state and local governments, help for schools and the airline industry, tax breaks for lower-earners and families with children, and subsidies for health insurance. ![]() Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., arrives at the Capitol in Washington, Friday, March 5, 2021, as the Senate steers toward a voting marathon on the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill that's expected to end with the chamber's approval of the measure. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite) Read more: https://apnews.com/article/senate-nears-virus-relief-bill-vote-fa965b1b413d811ad10549b3460c6643
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Author | Time | Post |
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Omaha Steve | Mar 5 | OP |
Fullduplexxx | Mar 5 | #1 | |
IronLionZion | Mar 5 | #2 | |
Hoyt | Mar 5 | #3 | |
frazzled | Mar 5 | #6 | |
CaptainTruth | Mar 5 | #11 | |
CaptainTruth | Mar 5 | #10 | |
Hoyt | Mar 5 | #12 | |
CentralMass | Mar 5 | #4 | |
regnaD kciN | Mar 5 | #20 | |
Demsrule86 | Mar 6 | #24 | |
Polybius | Mar 5 | #5 | |
frazzled | Mar 5 | #7 | |
Polybius | Mar 5 | #8 | |
frazzled | Mar 5 | #9 | |
George II | Mar 5 | #23 | |
LovingA2andMI | Mar 5 | #16 | |
Demsrule86 | Mar 6 | #25 | |
CentralMass | Mar 5 | #13 | |
Tommymac | Mar 5 | #15 | |
turbinetree | Mar 5 | #14 | |
George II | Mar 5 | #17 | |
NurseJackie | Mar 5 | #18 | |
oldsoftie | Mar 5 | #19 | |
regnaD kciN | Mar 5 | #21 | |
MichMan | Mar 5 | #22 | |
Marthe48 | Mar 6 | #26 |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:01 PM
Fullduplexxx (4,342 posts)
1. Hey who needs the cons we apparently have enough in our party
Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #1)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:24 PM
IronLionZion (32,736 posts)
2. Manchin and Sinema were against the minimum wage hike
but we will get the rest of the bill passed with 50 votes plus VP Harris.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:32 PM
Hoyt (48,317 posts)
3. Seems to me that the amendment voted down was really to IGNORE the Parliamentarian.
Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:59 PM
frazzled (18,063 posts)
6. That is technically correct
Whether that is an excuse or a position on the minimum wage altogether is something to be debated.
The Senate voted 58 to 42 against an attempt to waive a procedural objection against adding the wage provision to the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill. By the way, for those who might not have been following, the minimum wage hike was part of Biden's $1.9 trillion Covid Relief Bill (Biden, not Sanders). The Parliamentarian of the Senate said it was not eligible to be part of the bill under reconciliation. This vote was to bypass the Parliamentarian's decision and include it nonetheless. |
Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:12 PM
CaptainTruth (3,376 posts)
10. The Parlimentarian said it couldn't be in the bill...
...so my impression was that this vote was to ignore the ruling of the Parlimentarian & include the wage hike in the bill in spite of their ruling.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #3)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:26 PM
Hoyt (48,317 posts)
12. Think it's mistake to ignore Parliamentarian. Worse, if we did, it might sink/delay relief bill.
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:42 PM
CentralMass (10,827 posts)
4. Back to the status quo politics of the last 4 decades.
Response to CentralMass (Reply #4)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 06:16 PM
regnaD kciN (24,238 posts)
20. Indeed...and don't think voters won't remember this in 2020 and 2024...
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #4)
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:19 PM
Demsrule86 (52,872 posts)
24. The relief bill is a good bill, and we only got it because we have a majority and we only have
majority due to moderates...there are more states where Progressives can't win statewide than states they where can win statewide...and that make me sad. But it is what it is. I prefer half a loaf to no loaf.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:53 PM
Polybius (6,235 posts)
5. Who were the 8 Democrats that voted no?
The article left them out.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #5)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:01 PM
frazzled (18,063 posts)
7. Here
Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Chris Coons (D-Del.) Tom Carper (D-Del.) and Angus King (I-Maine.) voted to sustain a procedural objection — a budget point of order — against the wage increase. |
Response to frazzled (Reply #7)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:05 PM
Polybius (6,235 posts)
8. Thank you!
I'm surprised it was so many.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #8)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:09 PM
frazzled (18,063 posts)
9. Interestingly
All but two of those senators are from states that already have minimum wage laws above the federal level. (New Hampshire, with 2 of the senators, uses the federal wage of $7.25)
Two of them (West Virginia and Montana) are barely above, at $8.25 Delaware (also with 2 of the senators) is at $10.25 Arizona and Maine are both at $12.15. |
Response to Polybius (Reply #8)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 07:33 PM
George II (61,674 posts)
23. It wasn't a vote on the $15 minimum wage, it was a vote on including it improperly in THIS bill.
Response to frazzled (Reply #7)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 05:12 PM
LovingA2andMI (6,951 posts)
16. It was more than Manchin and Sinema. Interesting....
They were just the cover for the other six DEMOCRATS. Amazing how exposed things are when certain parties are "in power" which they begged for up until November 2020.
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #16)
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:21 PM
Demsrule86 (52,872 posts)
25. Well life would be so much better if Mitch was majority leader for sure...I mean
the government shut down's alone would be super.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #5)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:32 PM
CentralMass (10,827 posts)
13. It doesn't really matter. It's the DC shuffle. Same as it's always been.
Response to CentralMass (Reply #13)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 05:11 PM
Tommymac (4,296 posts)
15. As long as we use Citizens' United as the $$$ standard for election financing,
We will continue to fight the class war.
Oligarch's give money to all Parties to cover their bases. The minimum wage fight is a prime example. ![]() |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 05:08 PM
turbinetree (19,673 posts)
14. Lets see New Hampshire just passed a "Right for Less" law
Montana is doing it , Arizona is one already, also , Delaware and Maine are not or do not have the law on the books.............think that is another reason............
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 05:16 PM
George II (61,674 posts)
17. The wage hike didn't fail, including it in the reconciliation bill (against Senate rules) failed....
This wasn't a vote on the $15 minimum wage itself.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 05:26 PM
NurseJackie (38,691 posts)
18. Bullshit reporting... something I'd expect from hack writers at Politico.
Senators voted 58-42 against the increase, They did not vote "against the increase." They voted against the gimmick of improperly including it in the Covid relief bill.
If that ill-advised tactic had been successful, it would have surely KILLED the Covid Relief Bill. OR... even in the unlikely event it has passed, it surely would have been immediately challenged in court, thus delaying the implementation of the relief bill for MONTHS. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 05:35 PM
oldsoftie (5,867 posts)
19. Do a standalone bill to raise it to $8.50.
Some republicans would probably go for that.
Then do another one next year to raise it some more DOUBLING it in only 4 yrs is way too much for a small business to handle. Unless you want to make it apply to big companies above a certain number. Also, many states have already increased their minimum wage. As well as a number of larger companies such as Costco, WalMart, Target. |
Response to oldsoftie (Reply #19)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 06:20 PM
regnaD kciN (24,238 posts)
21. No, not a single Republican will go for that...
...and we'd need ten, since it would be covered by the filibuster, unlike this bill.
And, even if we were to pass that, the campaign ads write themselves: "The Democrat Party promised voters to raise the minimum wage to $15. Instead, they raised it...to only $8.50." I hate to say it, but any attempt to raise the minimum wage to a living wage is now dead for the foreseeable future. And it will impact us all in the next two election cycles. ![]() |
Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #21)
Fri Mar 5, 2021, 06:23 PM
MichMan (4,469 posts)
22. Just handle it on a state by state level
Any state can change it to $15, $20 or more without the Federal government doing anything.
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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
Sat Mar 6, 2021, 02:02 PM
Marthe48 (6,495 posts)
26. Always remember never forget
who hates working people. republicans hate working people.
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