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Fri Mar 5, 2021, 02:55 PM

Sen. Tina Smith calls for eliminating filibuster

Source: The Hill

Sen. Tina Smith (Minn.) on Friday became the latest Democratic senator to call for eliminating the Senate filibuster.

"I've made up my mind. We need to move this country forward, and that's why I've decided to come out in support of eliminating the filibuster," Smith said on Twitter.




Smith in a Facebook post on Thursday said she initially supported keeping the filibuster, but had determined it was an "enemy of progress."

"Without it, I reasoned, what would stop a conservative president and Congress from doing terrible damage to women's health care, voting rights and civil rights," Smith wrote of her initial position.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sen-tina-smith-calls-for-eliminating-filibuster/ar-BB1ehPsL?li=BB141NW3&ocid=DELLDHP



Do we have the votes?

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Reply Sen. Tina Smith calls for eliminating filibuster (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 5 OP
Mister Ed Mar 5 #1
ancianita Mar 5 #2
OnDoutside Mar 5 #3
Mike 03 Mar 5 #5
OnDoutside Mar 5 #16
Mike 03 Mar 5 #4
Polybius Mar 5 #15
Fullduplexxx Mar 5 #6
forgotmylogin Mar 5 #7
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 5 #9
Wolf Frankula Mar 6 #39
forgotmylogin Mar 6 #40
roamer65 Mar 5 #8
turbinetree Mar 5 #12
OnDoutside Mar 5 #17
turbinetree Mar 5 #18
OnDoutside Mar 5 #20
burrowowl Mar 5 #32
Trust_Reality Mar 5 #36
Deminpenn Mar 5 #21
turbinetree Mar 5 #22
Lonestarblue Mar 5 #23
turbinetree Mar 5 #28
joshcryer Mar 5 #27
jorgevlorgan Mar 5 #10
turbinetree Mar 5 #13
William Seger Mar 5 #34
turbinetree Mar 5 #35
Magoo48 Mar 5 #11
Polybius Mar 5 #14
OnDoutside Mar 5 #19
Dopers_Greed Mar 5 #24
cstanleytech Mar 5 #26
Trust_Reality Mar 5 #37
Elessar Zappa Mar 6 #41
cstanleytech Mar 5 #25
riversedge Mar 5 #29
riversedge Mar 5 #30
Bettie Mar 5 #31
JohnSJ Mar 5 #33
Trust_Reality Mar 5 #38
dalton99a Mar 6 #42

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 02:57 PM

1. Very proud that both the women who represent my state in the Senate...

...are taking this stand.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:00 PM

2. In American women's interests, Republican women should come out in support of eliminating

the filibuster, too.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:01 PM

3. The more who come out in favour, the bigger the energy that's

created, and creates a life of its own. If you get to a stage where 40-45 are in favour of removing the filibuster, that will put huge pressure on the remaining Senators, to at least agree to narrow the rule as the GOP did with the SC.

Do this sooner rather than later, as a crisis point is coming with the HR1/VRA/S1, which simply MUST BE PASSED.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:03 PM

5. Yes, thank you!

That is what I was trying to say, but with less eloquence than you did.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:53 PM

16. Thanks

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:02 PM

4. She changed her mind, introducing the possibility that others may

change their minds too (and people like Senator Smith doing this can provide cover to others who are more stuck in their positions).

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:49 PM

15. Except if they say 'Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?'

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:04 PM

6. Joe says "hell no you cant" in his best john boner voice

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:06 PM

7. They need to eliminate the *easy* filibuster.


If a senator wants to hold the floor and talk to delay a bill, that's fine by me. It shouldn't just be an easy pushbutton "yeah we want to filibuster, move the goalposts plz" for everything.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:08 PM

9. Ted Cruz can read "Green Eggs and Ham" again.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 01:42 AM

39. I agree entirely

Make the senator stand or sit there and talk. And if they leave to go to the bathroom or get something to eat, then."The senator is finished. Let this body move forward."

Wolf

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Response to Wolf Frankula (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:03 PM

40. Perhaps the way to get it through is to say "restore filibuster", not eliminate?

The whole reason the filibuster worked was someone would hold the floor which took 2/3rds to override. Eliminating the "stamina trial" element of the filibuster makes it meaningless and a cheap rule-change for vote threshold.

A person can't just signal they "will filibuster", they need to go through with it.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:08 PM

8. We may not to be able to eliminate it, but I think we can gut it.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:41 PM

12. Agreed .......................

O'Donnell and Orenstein were discussing this last night on his show..........check what was said at around the 15:45 second mark

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:56 PM

17. Norm did a great one about this bon Al Frankens podcast in January.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:57 PM

18. They mentioned this in the reporting..........

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:59 PM

20. Ah good, it was a really informative episode. Must have a look at

Lawrence's show later

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 06:39 PM

32. It was excellent!

If they want to filibuster they have to beat Strom Thurmond's 24 hour 13 minute record or even Robert Byrd's 13 hours 14 minutes. I don't remember how long J. Stewart's was in Mr. Smith goes to Washington. And if they want a bill read they have to stay and listen to it!

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Response to burrowowl (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:34 PM

36. They and their staff need to read it rather than abusing the clerks.

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:59 PM

21. Keep it, but place the burden on the minority

opposition to provide the votes (at least 41) to CONTINUE it.

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Response to Deminpenn (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:05 PM

22. Agreed .......................

if you don't have the 41 then you have vote, pretty simple instead of how its been gerrymandered into it's present form ....

you either have the 41 or you are present to vote, Van Hollen used it last night and did it to Johnson, but he used the rule to knock off 20 more hours of there right wing trolling..........especially from from a "guy" (RJ) that should be expelled...........

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Response to Deminpenn (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:24 PM

23. Here's a paragraph from a New Republic article explaining Ornstein's idea.

“Norm Ornstein has proposed simply placing the onus on the minority to make a filibuster rather than on the majority to break one. “Instead of 60 votes required to end debate,” he suggested last year, “the procedure should require 40 votes to continue it. If at any time the minority cannot muster 40 votes, debate ends, cloture is invoked, and the bill can be passed by the votes of a simple majority.”

The problem with this theory is that it takes 60 votes to change the Senate rules, and there is no way Republicans will vote for this rule change. The nuclear option of getting rid of the filibuster is really the only way to stop Republicans from controlling the Biden legislation. They have already shown that any bipartisanship on their part is a myth.

Our best hope may be to elect to additional Democratic Senators in 2022 so that Manchin and Sinema cannot prevent progress. That’s a lot of things that remain undone, which also risks losing the House and possibly the Senate. Manchin, especially, seems quite touchy on the subject, and it would be a disaster if he just resigned or decided to go to the Republican side.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 06:08 PM

28. Thank you................

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 05:52 PM

27. It continues to blow my mind how lazy Senators are.

This absolutely should be the standard. They should be doing their damn job. I have said this without reservation that everyone is using these arcane bullcrap rules to stop from doing their job, on both sides. People should be screaming from the rooftops how utterly incompetent the Senate is. The cloakroom doesn't do crap.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:13 PM

10. We can't eliminate it, but there might be some success at watering it down.

Let's see how it goes, but more like her coming on board is encouraging.
This is the DU member formerly known as jorgevlorgan.

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:47 PM

13. O'Donnell and Orenstein from last nights reporting

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 07:21 PM

34. That was a great segment -- I hope the idea propagates

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Response to William Seger (Reply #34)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 07:53 PM

35. Yiu would think so if not this year but next "if' we get more dems in the senate

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:26 PM

11. Yes! Eliminate it entirely.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:47 PM

14. Do we have the votes?

In the immortal words of Joe Manchin, 'Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?'

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Response to Polybius (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:57 PM

19. But did he mean in its entirety or he might consider slight changes.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:55 PM

24. This will only hand more power to the next Trump

What if the next wannabe-dictator held the presidency with a 50/50 Senate.

Would you really want no filibuster then?

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 05:28 PM

26. It was pretty useless already when it came to stacking SCOTUS as well as the other federal judge

slots that the GOP shoehorned their people into so what good do you think it really does to keep it now other than to help the Republicans when they have under 50 Senate seats?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #26)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:39 PM

37. And it is the R party that feels the need to block progress. They are the ones who benefit most

from the filibuster.

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:06 PM

41. The Republicans will probably do

away with the filibuster next time they have power. We might as well do it first and get some stuff done.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 05:26 PM

25. Considering how worthless it was in stopping the Republicans from stacking SCOTUS it might

well be time to put the whole filibuster thing to rest.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 06:22 PM

29. At first I was not sure but the more I see this covid bill watered down, the more I agree.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 06:24 PM

30. now for otheres to follow. I am going to call my senator Baldwin

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 06:30 PM

31. Good to see more speaking out about this

though there is little hope of it happening. There are at least a couple of them who adore it and would only vote to get rid of it if the other side asked them to.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 06:49 PM

33. Excellent. The unfortunate fact is at this point in time even if we were able to eliminate the

filibuster, Manchin and Senema would still prevent a majority vote on critical issues


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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 08:45 PM

38. If legislators, whether D or R, continually vote against the wishes of a high percentage

of their constituents, their constituents should sue them or recall them.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 12:11 PM

42. Kick

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